What If I Was Born Dishonest?

[Beetow]

Do you mean that just some persons are naturally born liars or this applies to all of
us

I'm pretty sure it applies to me because I was fully capable of dishonesty at a very
young age without any special training.

For example; when I was a pre-schooler back in the late 1940s, there wasn't as yet
any daytime television. Well; my favorite children's program came on at 5:00 pm. It
featured a marionette cowboy with little six shooters. So one day I got the bright
idea to adjust the clock by the tv ahead so my mom would think it was time to turn
on my cowboy. However, the only thing to watch before 5:00 pm back then was a test
pattern so it wasn't very long before my mom caught on to the ruse.
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[Admon Mikha'el]

Here are some verses that state otherwise.

“For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” (Matthew 26:28) (KJV 1900)

“Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” (Titus 2:14) (KJV 1900)

“So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.” (Hebrews 9:28) (KJV 1900)

“and whoever wants to be first among you must be your slave; just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life—a ransom for many.”” (Matthew 20:27–28) (HCSB)

“Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” Acts 20:28 (KJV 1900)

“Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.” Acts 2:47 (KJV 1900)

“I pray for them [the disciples]: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.” John 17:9 (KJV 1900)

I submit, my dear friend, that you need to take these verses to the Holy Spirit and ask Him to explain them to you. They do not say, at all, that Jesus only came to save some. The Word is learned through the spirit of the One who said them...The Word is NOT learned by use of intellect.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

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I am sure that definitely not all the persons will get saved and faith is a gift from God, but I do believe that all people can have an opportunity and God's desire is for all to get saved and He wants to give them opportunity.
Unfortunately we know that not all will answer.
Why wouldn't they? In part this is a mystery and only God knows, but I think that our work and duty is to spread the gospel as much as we can.

No..you're right...Its by Jesus' faith that we are saved by grace. Our faith was and is just too weak...But we have all been given the measure of Jesus faith... Why not all will accept this is no mystery at all though...Satan deceives many people into following him, taking them away from salvation

 

[DieAmartyr]

I'm pretty sure it applies to me because I was fully capable of dishonesty at a very
young age without any special training.

For example; when I was a pre-schooler back in the late 1940s, there wasn't as yet
any daytime television. Well; my favorite children's program came on at 5:00 pm. It
featured a marionette cowboy with little six shooters. So one day I got the bright
idea to adjust the clock by the tv ahead so my mom would think it was time to turn
on my cowboy. However, the only thing to watch before 5:00 pm back then was a test
pattern so it wasn't very long before my mom caught on to the ruse.
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If you are aware of your shortcoming then you know what to work on! You know the truth.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

If you are aware of your shortcoming then you know what to work on! You know the truth.

You watch a baby....They learn to lie at a very early age...I've often wondered why. They've never been punished so fear shouldn't be a factor...but there we go with a penchant for sin and a Satan contaminating a beautiful pure mind right off the bat...But that baby was not born a liar...Neither were you. You just got taught by the devil. Its my opinion that lies are the easiest thing to learn, and all the other sin stuff we learn is based on lies..

 

[DieAmartyr]

You watch a baby....They learn to lie at a very early age...I've often wondered why. They've never been punished so fear shouldn't be a factor...but there we go with a penchant for sin and a Satan contaminating a beautiful pure mind right off the bat...But that baby was not born a liar...Neither were you. You just got taught by the devil. Its my opinion that lies are the easiest thing to learn, and all the other sin stuff we learn is based on lies..

Lies are first based on fear of guilt. Babies lie to deny they did something p

You watch a baby....They learn to lie at a very early age...I've often wondered why. They've never been punished so fear shouldn't be a factor...but there we go with a penchant for sin and a Satan contaminating a beautiful pure mind right off the bat...But that baby was not born a liar...Neither were you. You just got taught by the devil. Its my opinion that lies are the easiest thing to learn, and all the other sin stuff we learn is based on lies..

Lies are told out of fear. Out of shame. A baby won't tell you he is not hungry if he is. He won't tell you he wants something if he doesn't. He will only tell you he didn't do something if he did it. He does this why? Because he knows he did something wrong and he is afraid of looking guilty. Maybe ashamed, but he has Adamic nature. I love what God says. " Who told you that you were naked?" Genesis 3:11

( surely God already knew the answer but Adam did not lie. He just tried to hide his shame)

 

[Dave L]

I submit, my dear friend, that you need to take these verses to the Holy Spirit and ask Him to explain them to you. They do not say, at all, that Jesus only came to save some. The Word is learned through the spirit of the One who said them...The Word is NOT learned by use of intellect.

If Jesus paid for the sins of all, why aren't all saved?

 

[Beetow]

• Matt 1:21 . . He shall save his people from their sins.

The Greek word translated "save" means to rescue and/or protect.

Well that is exactly what natural-born liars are in desparate need of.

• Luke 2:11 . . i bring you good tidings of great joy. Unto you is born this day in the
city of David a savior

Webster's defines a savior as: one that rescues from danger or destruction.

Rescuing is what the Coast Guard does when boats capsize. Rescuing is what
Firemen do when people are trapped inside burning buildings. Rescuing is what
mountaineer teams do when climbers are in trouble. Rescuing is what EMT
paramedics do when someone needs to get to a hospital in a hurry; and kept alive
till they arrive. Rescuing is what surgeons do when someone needs an organ
transplant.

I could go on and on giving you example of rescuer after rescuer; but I think you
get the idea. The savior born in Bethlehem rescues and protects people from the
wrath of God-- people who fully deserve Hell, definitely in line to go there; and
powerless to do anything about it..

"Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? Then may you also do
good who are accustomed to do evil." (Jer 13:23)

The angel said that his announcement was "good tidings of great joy". Well I can
assure that Christ is reason enough to be very happy for someone who fits the
description of a natural born liar.

• Matt 18:11 . . For the Son of Man has come to rescue that which was lost.
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[DieAmartyr]

If Jesus paid for the sins of all, why aren't all saved?

Because they do not repent. If you do not repent then you have not accepted Jesus gift of dying on the cross. In the last days, declares God, I will pour out my spirit on all people. Your sons and your daughters will prophesy; your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
Acts 2:17

This is happening now. More people than ever before are being taken as visitors to hell by Jesus and are told to come back and tell everyone what they saw. The message He gives them is basically " Tell them to repent while they are alive. Mankind is falling here at an alarming rate and it is unnecessary since I suffered on the cross to prevent this. For every 30 going to heaven 30,000 are falling into hell and they need to repent. Tell my people to turn back to me because time has run out. There is no more time. Everyone repents in hell but it is too late. Once the judgement has fallen in death there is nothing I can do. They must repent on the land. " Reluctantly these people describe the famous people who are in hell. Robin Williams, Bernie Mac, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Marilyn Monroe, Elvis, Tupac, Heath Ledger, Rick James, Selena, Michael Jackson, Kobe Bryant, Stephen Hawking, Pope John Paul II, all the other Popes, Hitler, Whitney Houston, Selena, etc. which is heartbreaking but it was made known that these people died thinking more of themselves and had no regard for the Lord. The Popes are there for sexual reasons and greed allegedly.

 

[Dave L]

Because they do not repent. If you do not repent then you have not accepted Jesus gift of dying on the cross. In the last days, declares God, I will pour out my spirit on all people. Your sons and your daughters will prophesy; your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
Acts 2:17

This is happening now. More people than ever before are being taken as visitors to hell by Jesus and are told to come back and tell everyone what they saw. The message He gives them is basically " Tell them to repent while they are alive. Mankind is falling here at an alarming rate and it is unnecessary since I suffered on the cross to prevent this. For every 30 going to heaven 30,000 are falling into hell and they need to repent. Tell my people to turn back to me because time has run out. There is no more time. Everyone repents in hell but it is too late. Once the judgement has fallen in death there is nothing I can do. They must repent on the land. " Reluctantly these people describe the famous people who are in hell. Robin Williams, Bernie Mac, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Marilyn Monroe, Elvis, Tupac, Heath Ledger, Rick James, Selena, Michael Jackson, Kobe Bryant, Stephen Hawking, Pope John Paul II, all the other Popes, Hitler, Whitney Houston, Selena, etc. which is heartbreaking but it was made known that these people died thinking more of themselves and had no regard for the Lord. The Popes are there for sexual reasons and greed allegedly.

So... they save themselves? What if I proved to you they cannot repent until God gives them a new heart?

 

[DieAmartyr]

So... they save themselves? What if I proved to you they cannot repent until God gives them a new heart?

You must be born again of course. I thought that was a given. But go ahead. Show me.

 

[Dave L]

You must be born again of course. I thought that was a given. But go ahead. Show me.

“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” 1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV 1900)

“For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.” 1 Corinthians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900)

“But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” 2 Corinthians 4:3–4 (KJV 1900)

“But despite all the miraculous signs Jesus had done, most of the people still did not believe in him. This is exactly what Isaiah the prophet had predicted: “LORD, who has believed our message? To whom has the LORD revealed his powerful arm?” But the people couldn’t believe, for as Isaiah also said, “The Lord has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts— so that their eyes cannot see, and their hearts cannot understand, and they cannot turn to me and have me heal them.”” John 12:37–40 (NLT)

 

[Beetow]

Matt 1:21 . . He shall save his people from their sins. The Greek word translated
"save" means to rescue and/or protect.

faq: Are you suggesting that Jesus died to protect people from God?

a: Yes.

faq: But how can God be a danger? Doesn't the Bible say that God was motivated
by love when He designated Christ to die for his people's sins?

a: Yes, the Bible says that. But try to understand God's predicament.

America's judges often thwart justice by refusing to hear perfectly good cases; no
matter those cases' strengths or their merits. But God is a person of integrity; He
cannot be party to miscarriages of justice.

God is impartial, non partisan, unbiased, non prejudiced, practices no favoritism;
and He didn't get in His position via a political appointment. Plus God never allows
his personal feelings to interfere with the duties of His office. He's fair across the
board with everyone; friend and foe alike.

Although God feels deep sympathy for folks whose very lives are in grave
danger of the sum of all fears, He must send them there anyway because it's the
right thing to do; regardless of how badly He feels about it, i.e. God can be trusted
to be objective rather than subjective; but then again, His integrity, and His
objectivity, are what makes God so dangerous.
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