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who are those that came out of the great tribulation????

They are ALL saved Spirit born believers who lost their heads for refusing the Mark. Yes the Spirit and the Church are still present during the Anti-Christ's part of the Trib right up until the time he is consumed by the brightness of the Coming of the Lord (the Parousia)
Hmmm Paul do you think God will put the Bride through the tribulation when He said He wouldn't?

Romans 5:9

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.


1 Thessalonians 1:10

And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
 
well to me scripture says there is a great falling away at end times not revival, Revelation says several times NO ONE repents, so the only conclusion I can draw is those coming out of the great tribulation are people who are born again before the tribualtion. Which goes against the most common theory you here,, which is that those were the people that came to Christ during the tribulation, but I just dont see any scripture that lines up with that..

And if we look at the similarities of the tribulation ,,to the time Moses sent the plagues on the Egypt,, we also see no one repenting.

Matthew 24:10–12

10 And then many will fall away1 and nbetray one another and hate one another. 11 And many ofalse prophets will arise pand lead many astray. 12 And because lawlessness will be increased, qthe love of many will grow cold.
Dave...Where does that falling away happen? Among 'Christians' Right NOW. You see it in most of your churches.
 
Hmmm Paul do you think God will put the Bride through the tribulation when He said He wouldn't?

Romans 5:9


he says he will spare his church from his wrath, when you study tribulation you will his wrath spelled out clearly, so yes I the church can go through tribulation and still be spared from his wrath, many examples of this are in the OT just to name a couple is the passover, and Noah in the ark
 
he says he will spare his church from his wrath, when you study tribulation you will his wrath spelled out clearly, so yes I the church can go through tribulation and still be spared from his wrath, many examples of this are in the OT just to name a couple is the passover, and Noah in the ark
Back this up with scripture instead of opinion?
 
Back this up with scripture instead of opinion?

are you not familar with passover?

or noahs ark?

both times God poured his wrath out and both time he spared his people of his wrath, they were there during his wrath yet did not expereince it
 
Let me try it this way for them, Dave M. ok.

The Thread: "Who are those that came out of the great tribulation????"

They have on "White Robes"!


New American Standard Bible (Rev.6:11).
And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also.
(Rev. 7)
9After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10And they cried out in a loud voice:

Well, It would seem to me, I am not and The Apostle John is not included in that "Number" They all have "White Robes"! You see, Me and John will be "Naked as Jay Bird" We will not need a "White Robe" for we Have A "Glorified BODY" like Jesus, No Clothes needed! We are Brighter than "The Stars"!

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For he will transform the body of our humiliation into the image of his glorious body, according to his great power by which everything has been made subject to him.
1 Corinthians 15:49
And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so also shall we bear the likeness of the heavenly man.

American Standard Version
And they that are wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Matthew 13:43
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Daniel 12:10
Many will be purified, made spotless, and refined, but the wicked will continue to act wickedly. None of the wicked will understand, but the wise will understand.

"The Sons of God" will not need "WhiteRobes" ! Our Bodies are "Glorified" and express "The Glory of GOD" we need No "White Robes" on! The Others Do need a "Wedding Garment" on! They better have on one!

I know about now, a lot you have become "Blinded" by "The Light" and a Lot "The Light" has come on! and now you understand! :cool:

Now, Listen to The Parable of The Marriage Feast"
(Matthew 22)NASB

7“But the king was enraged and sent his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and set their city on fire. 8“Then he said to his slaves, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. 9‘Go therefore to the main highways, and as many as you find there, invite to the wedding feast.’ 10“And those slaves went out into the streets, and gathered together all they found, both evil and good; and the wedding hall was filled with dinner guests. [A number that No man could number and They had "WhiteRobes" on]
11“But when the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw there a man not dressed in wedding clothes, 12and he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?’ And he was speechless. 13“Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, and cast him into the outer darkness; in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

Now You THINK, and you Think GOOD, Very Good, Now what 'Group" are you going to be in. If Jesus comes back this week! and You Received a "Glorified Body" and He Takes you Back with Him, The [Bema Seat}. or after 7 earthly years He comes back, and during that time period, You have become a "Real servant" and won "THOUSANDS" of "Believers to believe in Jesus" "You had a powerful witness and testimony" why, :eyes:"You got left behind and got a "WhiteROBE" and Glad and Happy, YOU GOT ONE!

NOW, if you don't quite understand, "Go back and read, the "Parable of the Marriage Feast" again, as listed, in this post. Now you do consider yourself a "slave" of Jesus, right. Purchase and bought by The Blood of Jesus, "bond slave' a "slave" has a "Master" a LORD:eyes:

What do you think?
 
do you have any scripture for these claims??

Are you actually saying they dont need Jesus to be saved?
Absolutely not! Everyone needs Jesus to be saved- who else can save them?? That is almost funny- I mean, salvation is at Jesus sole discretion, no?
do you have any scripture for these claims??

Are you actually saying they dont need Jesus to be saved?

And I said unto him, “Sir, thou knowest.” And he said to me, “These are they that came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation 7:14

Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer. Behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried, and ye shall have tribulation ten days. Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of Life.
Revelation 2:10


Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine
, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Romans 8:35

And Satan answered the Lord and said, “Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.
Job 2:4
My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat.
Job 30:30
Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons, or his head with fish spears?
Job 41:7

We must learn from what God allowed satan to do to Job for him to prove his faithfulness. This and worse will happen during the Great Tribulation

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Matthew 24:21

Did I miss any?
 
are you not familar with passover?

or noahs ark?

both times God poured his wrath out and both time he spared his people of his wrath, they were there during his wrath yet did not expereince it
Oh Yes! Thank you for the reminder...In both cases God held His people above the destruction. Separate if you will. He took them out of the equation before the wrath. Here's one point you may want to consider though. In the Passover, many nonJews were protected. Unbelievers if you will.. They were friends of the Jews but not believers in God. In the flood of Noah He lifted them above it all...a type of rapture BEFORE the wrath. Not so much through it. With Noah too. Its amazing how God only had Eight people who were his.
 
When it comes right down to it, I believe that those who come out of the tribulation are the Jews who get saved during that time, and the gentiles who get saved during tribulation, but also those 'believers' who went into the tribulation as well...The ones who were raptured were the 'bride' who had made herself ready. The bride was lifted above the tribulation and did not have to go through it. The 'believers' who did not make themselves ready go through. I wonder why the churches teach that God makes the bride ready.
 
I took this statement to mean they dont need Jesus, thanks for setting the record straight.
Oh yeah, no it meant that God will not be on the earth with us from the point of the Rapture until His return and we will have to die for Christ- there will be no divine intervention.
 
When it comes right down to it, I believe that those who come out of the tribulation are the Jews who get saved during that time, and the gentiles who get saved during tribulation, but also those 'believers' who went into the tribulation as well...The ones who were raptured were the 'bride' who had made herself ready. The bride was lifted above the tribulation and did not have to go through it. The 'believers' who did not make themselves ready go through. I wonder why the churches teach that God makes the bride ready.


The Church / Bride of Christ/ that is here Now -- well -- pastors who Do teach Bible -- preach what they feel led to share with their congregations. Born again believers / we are to be in His Word , learning what's it's saying. And be waiting for His returning. Sort of a difficult question. Probably lots of churches these days get wrapped up in 'feel good' sermons. Non-believers are left behind. There's Not a rapture for spiritual believers and then another one for not so spiritual believers. A person is either a born again believer or they aren't a believer at all. If a person isn't sure of their salvation -- take time Now to make sure. That way 'we' will all be ready.
 
@Dave M -- lots of people believe in God and in Jesus Christ. It's What they believe that's important. Is it Facts they believe or is it in their heart? or they believe in a 'god' and recognize that Jesus Christ was a good religious teacher of 'that day'. -- so -- being born Again is applying Facts to your heart. That Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Like in John 3 -- Nicodemus and Jesus talking -- a person is born physically 1st and Then need to be born-Again spiritually.
 
interesting thought,,,I ask you........ can a person be a believer and not born again????????????
Dave...I'll ask you this...Can one disbelieve something God says in His Word and call himself a believer? The reasoning for my question is simply this. If one thinks God would lie on one point, or not know what He was talking about, could one trust any of the bible? My reasoning says 'No'
 
@Sue D.
the reason I asked this question is we have demons who believe in God yet we know they are not born again,,, so no I do not think just because you beleive you are born again

James 2:19
You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!
 
Dave...I'll ask you this...Can one disbelieve something God says in His Word and call himself a believer? The reasoning for my question is simply this. If one thinks God would lie on one point, or not know what He was talking about, could one trust any of the bible? My reasoning says 'No'

I concur, even if I dont understand all the bible I beleive it all
 
@Dave M. -- what about the John passage concerning Jesus and Nicodemus -- John 3:5.

And, yes, the demons tremble -- because they know their end is in hell -- lake of fire and brimstone. The demons are the fallen angels -- they rebelled in heaven and were thrown out.

People are not part of the angelic world. They are a special creation. We are human beings created a little lower than the angels.

Salvation is not meant for them. It is meant for Us.

Do you want to mix good works into salvation? Is the blood of Christ sufficient to take care of our sins or Not.
 
Do you want to mix good works into salvation? Is the blood of Christ sufficient to take care of our sins or Not.

You don't really want to go there.
Jas 2:24; You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Was the blood sufficient for the goats in Matt 25:41; ? What makes someone a sheep or a goat? It's what you do.
Was the blood sufficient for the 5 foolish virgins in Matt 25:10-12; ? What makes someone a foolish virgin?
Was the blood sufficient for those who called Jesus Lord in Matt 7:21-23; ? It's what you do.
Was the blood sufficient for the servant in Matt 25:26; ? It's what you do, (or in this case, what you don't do ).
Was the blood sufficient for the tree in Luke 13:9; ? It's what you do.
Was the blood sufficient for those in the kingdom in Matt 13:41; ? It's what you do.
There are more....
What determined where the people who were resurrected in John 5:28-29; ended up? What they believed or what they did?
Was the blood sufficient for those in the church in Luke 13:27: ?
Will the blood be sufficient for the 5 churches in Revelation who were told to repent or else?

Yes you need to believe upon Jesus and His resurrection. But's that only part of it.
How you live determines where you will spend eternity, not what you believe.

The demons are the fallen angels -- they rebelled in heaven and were thrown out.

Do you have scripture that says this? That demons are fallen angels.
 
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