What would of happen if the Jews did not Reject Jesus?

[Reba1]

Our opinions, yours mine and all others, are not always truth . You made a judgement and a false statement about my post. You stated i called God wicked, when questioned you have you now state i "suggested" God is wicked .. Again please quote what you believe to be the suggestion i have posted God is wicked.
For the record i have never studied the works of Calvin .

 

[Reba1]

double and tripled posted .

 

[PloughBoy]

I asked you a simple question. Your entire post says nothing about it.

" Theology Proper" is complex, Religion is not. I am not a religious person. sorry.

 

[Reba1]

Our opinions, yours mine and all others, are not always truth . You made a judgement and a false statement about my post. You stated i called God wicked, when questioned you have you now state i "suggested" God is wicked .. Again please quote what you believe to be the suggestion i have posted God is wicked.
For the record i have never studied the works of Calvin .

I do not see how to edit this post it should be directed to @KingJ

 

[KingJ]

Our opinions, yours mine and all others, are not always truth . You made a judgement and a false statement about my post. You stated i called God wicked, when questioned you have you now state i "suggested" God is wicked .. Again please quote what you believe to be the suggestion i have posted God is wicked.
For the record i have never studied the works of Calvin .

If you say God is partial, you are saying He is wicked. Really not hard.

 

[Dave M]

Dave, for how many years now have you been a Christian?

You also believe God is partial?

Depends on what you consider a christian, I have attended church for most of my whole life, I have believed in Jesus as long as I can remember. I am now 55 years old, but I did not get changed and freed from the enslavement of sin until about 2015 I say about because it was a process not a exact moment, this is when I became a born again believer and new creation. how about you??

 

[Reba1]

If you say God is partial, you are saying He is wicked. Really not hard.

You are projecting i never said God is partial . I am done doubt i will reply to you again . Keep your liberalism moving ahead ...

 

[KingJ]

You are projecting i never said God is partial . I am done doubt i will reply to you again . Keep your liberalism moving ahead ...

You said God cherry picks people, that is partiality, which is wicked.

If I tell someone your sister is fat and never baths, you will accuse me of saying she is ugly, can I say I never actually said the words ''ugly''.

You are dancing around your statements and do not want to own them.

TRUST me when I say, the lost have working brains, they are not idiots. You need to properly examine what you type and preach, as currently I believe your message helps the devil 100%.

 

[KingJ]

Depends on what you consider a christian, I have attended church for most of my whole life, I have believed in Jesus as long as I can remember. I am now 55 years old, but I did not get changed and freed from the enslavement of sin until about 2015 I say about because it was a process not a exact moment, this is when I became a born again believer and new creation. how about you??

I am still enslaved to sin, as are you. Do you honestly believe you are no longer a slave of sin?

Sin is linked to free will and we never lose free will, so we will be battling with obedience vs disobedience to God for all eternity.

There is certainly a huge leap forward in the control sin has over us when we are saved. I can easily say 'no' to mortal sins and have strength to fight venial sins. All from a love and desire to serve God.

Example, when we fully grasp that God laid His life down for us, we should have our hearts broken in gratitude and with the Holy Spirit by our side, the presence of God in our lives makes us 'super' aware of sins. As such we are certainly free from a lot of bondage...but not all. Paul is crystal clear that he still battled with sins Rom 7:15, but we all know he did not go anywhere near the mortal sin of killing Christians.

Remember in heaven, angels are not perfect like God. That is why we will judge them 1 Cor 6:3. Us to, we will never be perfect like God. Which means there will be many occasions when God ''asks'' us to do X and we choose to do Y. That can be seen as a type of disobedience / sin.

We need to grasp this properly because when we do we see that the devil sunk to a depth of sin and rebellion beyond other angels. We see this with the people of Sodom, when scripture says their ''sins were great'' Gen 18:20 "Then the LORD said, 'The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous'' and Jude 1:7.

Now that moment we get on our knees and truly repent of our sins is the moment God sees a depth of intent '''toward'' Him. Depth of intent for sin got the devil removed. Depth of intent for repentance, is us truly drawing close to God James 4:8, prompting the Holy Spirit to reveal Jesus as Lord to us 1 Cor 12:3, the time we are saved from sin and can enter eternal life. OSAS.

The messages people teach of working for your salvation / 'being' saved or God cherry picking those whom He will regenerate are from the devil. The latter more so.

 

[Reba1]

1Sa 2:27 And there came a man of God unto Eli, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Did I plainly appear unto the house of thy father, when they were in Egypt in Pharaoh's house?
1Sa 2:28 And did I choose him out of all the tribes of Israel to be my priest, to offer upon mine altar, to burn incense, to wear an ephod before me? and did I give unto the house of thy father all the offerings made by fire of the children of Israel?

 

[Dave M]

I am still enslaved to sin, as are you. Do you honestly believe you are no longer a slave of sin?

this message is very telling of who you are, and I thank you for your honesty, when I was lost I always thought I was saved, not until I was saved and freed from the enslavement of sin did I ever realize how lost I was. A born again believer does not practice sin and his lifestyle is not of sin, if you claim to be a believer and are living a life style of sin, the word tells us you are a liar and the truth is not in you. It is never to late to repent and be changed and be born again and be freed from the enslavement of sin.

My God is a awesome God and is the only way to be freed from the enslavement. Dont fall for the lies of the devil, that tell you it ok to live in sin, it not ,,and will send you to hell.

1 John 2
1. My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate before the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
2. He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
3. By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments.
4. If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5. But if anyone keeps His word, the love of God has been truly perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him:
6. Whoever claims to abide in Him must walk as Jesus walked.

1 John 3
4. Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness.c
5. But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin.
6. No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him.
7. Little children, let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous.e
8. The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil.
9. Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
10. By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is anyone who does not love

1 John 5
18. We know that anyone born of God does not keep on sinning; the One who was born of God protects him, and the evil one cannot touch him.
19. We know that we are of God, and that the whole world is under the power of the evil one.
20. And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true—in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.





1 John 3:6
No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

1 John 3:9
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.

1 John 2:4
Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,

 

[B-A-C]

Rom 10:18; But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have; "THEIR VOICE HAS GONE OUT INTO ALL THE EARTH, AND THEIR WORDS TO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD."
Rom 10:19; But I say, surely Israel did not know, did they? First Moses says, "I WILL MAKE YOU JEALOUS BY THAT WHICH IS NOT A NATION, BY A NATION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WILL I ANGER YOU."
Rom 10:20; And Isaiah is very bold and says, "I WAS FOUND BY THOSE WHO DID NOT SEEK ME, I BECAME MANIFEST TO THOSE WHO DID NOT ASK FOR ME."
Rom 10:21; But as for Israel He says, "ALL THE DAY LONG I HAVE STRETCHED OUT MY HANDS TO A DISOBEDIENT AND OBSTINATE PEOPLE."

Rom 11:25; For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
Rom 11:26; and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
Rom 11:27; "THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."
Rom 11:28; From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;

 

[Dave M]

Rom 11:26; and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."

I have always wondered about this verse, how can all Israel be saved if we already know most of them did not even make it to the promise Land?? We know that the Pharisees were called sons of the devil

Is Israel that God is referring to all ethnic Jews???

 

[B-A-C]

I have always wondered about this verse, how can all Israel be saved if we already know most of them did not even make it to the promise Land?? We know that the Pharisees were called sons of the devil

Is Israel that God is referring to all ethnic Jews???

This is difficult to answer in one short message.
I'll start with the last question first. I believe this passage is for biological Jews, as Paul is comparing them to saved Gentiles.
Next we have Moses, Moses didn't make it to the promised land. But we know he made it to the mount of transfiguration with Jesus ( Luke 9:30; )

Last we have that word "all". Will ALL of Israel be saved? Even previous generations? Even ALL of the current generation?
It is difficult to prove this out with scripture, but my "opinion" is that this means "most of" that generation of Israel during the end times.

 

[B-A-C]

Matt 8:10; Now when Jesus heard this, He marveled and said to those who were following, "Truly I say to you, I have not found such great faith with anyone in Israel.
Matt 8:11; "I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven;
Matt 8:12; but the sons of Israel will be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Will "all" of Israel be saved?

 

[Reba1]

This is difficult to answer in one short message.
I'll start with the last question first. I believe this passage is for biological Jews, as Paul is comparing them to saved Gentiles.
Next we have Moses, Moses didn't make it to the promised land. But we know he made it to the mount of transfiguration with Jesus ( Luke 9:30; )

Last we have that word "all". Will ALL of Israel be saved? Even previous generations? Even ALL of the current generation?
It is difficult to prove this out with scripture, but my "opinion" is that this means "most of" that generation of Israel during the end times.

Instead of saying in effect "what God really meant to say was 'most of' when He said " all" i would suggest our understanding of the word Israel needs to better understood.

 

[B-A-C]

Instead of saying in effect "what God really meant to say was 'most of' when He said " all" i would suggest our understanding of the word Israel needs to better understood.

What is your interpretation of Matthew 8:12 ?

 

[Reba1]

Mat 8:5 And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him,
Mat 8:6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.
Mat 8:7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.
Mat 8:8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
Mat 8:9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 8:13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.

To my understanding: The passage is letting the folks know the whole gospel of Christ, everything about Him and His true kinigdom, is beyond ,while also including the of bloodline of the Hebews .

 

[KingJ]

this message is very telling of who you are, and I thank you for your honesty, when I was lost I always thought I was saved, not until I was saved and freed from the enslavement of sin did I ever realize how lost I was. A born again believer does not practice sin and his lifestyle is not of sin, if you claim to be a believer and are living a life style of sin, the word tells us you are a liar and the truth is not in you. It is never to late to repent and be changed and be born again and be freed from the enslavement of sin.

My God is a awesome God and is the only way to be freed from the enslavement. Dont fall for the lies of the devil, that tell you it ok to live in sin, it not ,,and will send you to hell.

1 John 2
1. My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate before the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
2. He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
3. By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments.
4. If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5. But if anyone keeps His word, the love of God has been truly perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him:
6. Whoever claims to abide in Him must walk as Jesus walked.

1 John 3
4. Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness.c
5. But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin.
6. No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him.
7. Little children, let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous.e
8. The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil.
9. Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
10. By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is anyone who does not love

1 John 5
18. We know that anyone born of God does not keep on sinning; the One who was born of God protects him, and the evil one cannot touch him.
19. We know that we are of God, and that the whole world is under the power of the evil one.
20. And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true—in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.





1 John 3:6
No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

1 John 3:9
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.

1 John 2:4
Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,

I am not sure you properly read my post Dave.

Making a practice of sinning is different to once off sinning. Only God is perfect and without sin.

Any scripture that says we are without sin, is in the context of the fact that Jesus has washed us clean of sin. As such, to God we are perfect. But yet, if we look at the facts of the matter, we are still people who make mistakes / sin, just forgiven. God looks past it.

Example : I am in the army. A lady jumps in front of a bullet heading for me. She survives. I ask her to marry me and she accepts. During the course of our marriage I know that she will disobey me, slap me a few times and occasionally throw a cup at me. Yet, I will not divorce her. She is perfect to me. I love her with all my heart. She showed me so much love and dedication when she chose to dedicate her whole life to me and took the bullet for me.

Exactly the same with us and God. God lays His life down for us, for the relationship John 3:16 and we need to replicate Matt 16:24. As laying down one's life is the greatest act of love John 15:13 and clearly with God it is a necessity to know we are capable of it. That is why those in the tribulation will need to die for their faith Rev 2:10, before God will accept them. No death, no life. Fact.

The context of ''will not continue in sin'' is in the context of me loving my wife, I will not be able to sleep around. If we love God, we do not desire to do those things that upset Him. Strength to overcome sin is found in love for God. Nothing else. This however does still not equate to us never sinning.

For us to perfectly obey God, He would need to remove our free will. This would be evil of God. God is not evil.

 

[Sue D.]

@KingJ -- are you saying that because John 3:16 says that 'for God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that who so ever believeth on Him, will not perish and have ever lasting life" // it was Jesus Christ who gave His life for us on the cross. And Matthew 16:24 "Then Jesus said to His disciples, If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me." -- so we are to do that same thing. Since Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins, that we are supposed to be willing to also die on a cross?

There are those who will end up dying for their faith during the tribulation time - those 7 yrs. But, then, again, there have been born-again believers dying as martyrs for centuries.

Why is it a necessity with God to know that we are capable Of that. Sounds like we have to prove ourselves to God? As in -- are we really worthy of Him -- of His love? Wouldn't that be a 'good works' based salvation? Because there's the verse that says , while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. He gave His life For us. We didn't have to do anything to Earn His willingness to die for us.

But we don't have to replicate that.

But we Might be put in the position to be willing to die for the name of Jesus Christ. But what about those who won't ever be put in that position. Are we any less deserving?