many or few?

[Brother-Paul]

Born again believers are left here on earth to be an encourager to everyone else. Not to be setting ourselves on some sort of pedastal as to Why or Who is going to church. I need to be getting something to eat.

As for the RCC -- some posts back "JerryfromMass" commented about the Greek / Hebrew word for the church. Two different words. But I'm going to excuse myself to get something to eat.

Greeting sister,

I saw the post from @Gerryfrommass, the mention of the two words was from myself

Kuriakon - the Greek word the RCC use for church building, not in the Bible

Kuriakos - the Greek word for Lord's Supper, is in the Bible

Shalom

 

[Sue D.]

@ Brother-Paul -- Does a person have to be baptized in order to be saved? yes or no. And what happens if a person Does accept Jesus Christ as personal Savior, But, for whatever reason CAn't be baptized -- are they saved or not?

And look at 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 as to how To 'be saved'. As well as Romans 10:9-10. To be saved.

You've taken a lot of effort / many posts to try to convince me to your perspective of the conversation between Nicodemus and Jesus Re: being born again. And what it Really means. Is it possible that you're trying to make it Too Complicated. You're analizing it 'to death'. Sometimes a person -- in their attempt To study Scripture -- can seem to tear it to pieces. There's nothing Wrong with going back to the original language -- but we have God's Word in the English language for our benefit.

 

[Brother-Paul]

@ Brother-Paul -- Does a person have to be baptized in order to be saved? yes or no. And what happens if a person Does accept Jesus Christ as personal Savior, But, for whatever reason CAn't be baptized -- are they saved or not?

@Sue D. - You are a baptist and you don't know these things?

Does a person have to be baptized in order to be saved? yes or no

NO.

And what happens if a person Does accept Jesus Christ as personal Savior, But, for whatever reason CAn't be baptized -- are they saved or not?

Providing they are born again from above and by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Spirit. - YES

You do not have to be baptised to be saved, we know that Sue don't we.

But baptism is important and lets not forget that, remember the great commission?

Matt 28:18-20
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Water and Spirit Sue, the water talked about in John 3 is NOT the water in or from the womb.

Carefully consider the 4 options. You choose what you want to believe, I say that in love.

Option 4 in post 474, linked with Titus 3, that is where I stand on this.

But we must all carefully consider scripture and decide for ourselves.

 

[Sue D.]

At Gen 39:6-20 is told the story of an immoral woman who destroyed the
reputation of an innocent man in order to cover up her own indiscretions.

I should point out something that goes without saying. Women are not a protected
species. When a bad girl like Potiphar's wife stands before God to answer for the
way she ruined Joseph's reputation, she will be punished just as severely as if a
man did it because there is neither partiality nor favoritism with God.

• Rom 2:11 . . God does not show favoritism.

• Eph 6:9 . . There is no favoritism with Him.

• Col 3:25 . . Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for their wrong, and there is
no favoritism.

• 1Pet . . You call on a Father who judges each individual's work impartially,

Those verses tell me there will be just as many, if not more, women thrown into the
reservoir of liquefied flame depicted at Rev 20:11-15 as men because women's
gender will not be a mitigating element when they face justice at the Great White
Throne event.

UPDATE: 211 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 13,108,164 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
_

Joseph and Potiphars wife -- she Tried to ruin him because he didn't respond favorably to her ''interest" -- he had Run Away from her and in process a piece of his garment tore off in her hands -- she kept it to lie to the men of that house that he'd tried to rape her but got away. As a result , he was put in prison, but even while in prison, he gained a good reputation with the prison guards. He was even put in charge of the other prisoners.

So -- what Potipher did to Try to discredit Joseph -- ended up working in his Favor rather than discrediting him. So the rest of your comments are sort of mute.

ANYONE who does NOT accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior Will end up in the lake of fire and brimstone -- and Everyone who Does -- will be with Jesus Christ for ever.

Who so ever will -- is not gender specific.

 

[Sue D.]

@Sue D. - You are a baptist and you don't know these things?

Does a person have to be baptized in order to be saved? yes or no

NO.

And what happens if a person Does accept Jesus Christ as personal Savior, But, for whatever reason CAn't be baptized -- are they saved or not?

Providing they are born again from above and by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Spirit. - YES

You do not have to be baptised to be saved, we know that Sue don't we.

But baptism is important and lets not forget that, remember the great commission?

Matt 28:18-20
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Water and Spirit Sue, the water talked about in John 3 is NOT the water in or from the womb.

Carefully consider the 4 options. You choose what you want to believe, I say that in love.

Option 4 in post 474, linked with Titus 3, that is where I stand on this.

But we must all carefully consider scripture and decide for ourselves.

Yes, I'm a Baptist -- but more important I'm a Bible believing born again believer. I used to use the word "Christian" but there are those who don't like that word because it can be used very broadly Or specifically.

NOW you're adding your "Providing" clause.

And, yes, 'we' Do know that. Baptism is Not needed For salvation.

And, yes , baptism by immersion Is important. And, yes, there IS the great commission.

Okay -- one more time -- Nicodemus is being told that Besides being born Physically -- the bag of waters breaking to enable birth. A person Also needs to born Spiritually by the Holy Spirit in order to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matt 28:19 -- yes baptizing them after they become believers. That is telling everyone around them of the personal decision they have already made in their heart. That they believe that Jesus Christ died and was buried and rose again bodily on the 3rd day. And their desire to Also live a 'new' life in Christ.

 

[Brother-Paul]

You've taken a lot of effort / many posts to try to convince me to your perspective of the conversation between Nicodemus and Jesus Re: being born again. And what it Really means. Is it possible that you're trying to make it Too Complicated. You're analizing it 'to death'. Sometimes a person -- in their attempt To study Scripture -- can seem to tear it to pieces. There's nothing Wrong with going back to the original language -- but we have God's Word in the English language for our benefit.

I always take a lot of effort in my studies Sue, but as for trying to convince you or anyone that is farthest from the Truth.

No I am not making it to complicated Sue, when we accept scripture, we all have to accept all of it, even the parts we may not want to hear.

I am also not tearing it to death as you put it Sue, if you look back just about every answer I have posted to you has been a reply to your comments and statements. I didn't start the thread, but I do reply if someone isn't understanding what I posted, I would never push my views on a person, but if a person replies and there reply is against scripture I will come back to clarify.

You do have an habit Sue of trying to change the subject if something doesn't go your way, again I say that in love. You condemn the RCC and with good reason, but when I mentioned a word introduced by then RCC, that you don't want to hear, you say lets leave the RCC out of it.

So I used a different approach, hoping for a balanced discussion, instead of quoting scripture to confirm the subject, I instead gave 4 commonly known options for the John 3 scriptures between Jesus and Nicodemus, the aim again, to try a different way to put it to you, they are not my thoughts Sue, but are provided for people to consider 4 different views.

So now you say I am making it to complicated. Ermmm I think we should both move on.

Shalom

 

[Sue D.]

Your use is #4 which uses water as a double metephor. Which I don't happen to agree with.

 

[Sue D.]

@Brother -Paul -- I would agree -- let's move on.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Yes, I'm a Baptist -- but more important I'm a Bible believing born again believer. I used to use the word "Christian" but there are those who don't like that word because it can be used very broadly Or specifically.

NOW you're adding your "Providing" clause.

And, yes, 'we' Do know that. Baptism is Not needed For salvation.

And, yes , baptism by immersion Is important. And, yes, there IS the great commission.

Okay -- one more time -- Nicodemus is being told that Besides being born Physically -- the bag of waters breaking to enable birth. A person Also needs to born Spiritually by the Holy Spirit in order to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matt 28:19 -- yes baptizing them after they become believers. That is telling everyone around them of the personal decision they have already made in their heart. That they believe that Jesus Christ died and was buried and rose again bodily on the 3rd day. And their desire to Also live a 'new' life in Christ.

I provided 4 different views on the matter, I said which view I feel is right, you have confirmed which you believe is right, that is fine. We agree to disagree, the topic will come back Sue, it is sure to, why, because over the years many have not come to a certain conclusion.

Baptism is important, it is an instruction, it is a command, but we are not saved by baptism alone.

You are quite confrontational Sue, was there any need for your comment -Okay one more time? I think not.

Peace be with you.

 

[Sue D.]

@Brother-Paul

I do believe you put a lot of effort into your studying and responses.

I don't see myself as being 'confrontational' , just that I don't especially Agree with you on that certain point.

To be saved -- 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 And Romans 10: 9-10.

 

[B-A-C]

To be saved -- 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 And Romans 10: 9-10.

Half truth. There are dozens of other scriptures about what we need to do. Some people just pick a couple and run with that.
Besides even the Demons believe, so by this standard, they are saved.

The people in Matt 7:21-23; believed in Jesus and called Him Lord. The 5 foolish virgins believed in Jesus.
The wicked and Lazy steward believed in Jesus. Even Judas believed in Jesus.

 

[Sue D.]

@B-A-C -- you Do know what those verses say, Right?

Okay -- add John 3:16 to that.

I guess that if you want to add works, that's up to you.

 

[Dave M]

Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

 

[Beetow]

• Judg 17:1-6 . . A man named Micah lived in the hill country of Ephraim. One day
he said to his mother: I heard you curse the thief who stole eleven hundred pieces
of silver from you. Well, here they are. I was the one who took them. The Lord
bless you for admitting it; his mother replied.

. . . He returned the money to her, and she said: I now dedicate these silver coins
to The Lord. In honor of my son, I will have an image carved and an idol cast. So
his mother took two hundred of the silver coins to a silversmith, who made them
into an image and an idol. And these were placed in Micah's house.

Micah's mother (I'll call her Ophelia) broke the very first commandment of the
covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God on oath per Exodus, Leviticus,
Numbers, and Deuteronomy by making statuettes to represent God. (Ex 20:2-4

The interesting thing about Ophelia's religious confusion is that Jehovah was her
God; but in the wrong way; viz: her religion was a mixture of truth and error. The
sad part is; Ophelia's mixed up religious beliefs didn't lead only just herself into
disfavor with The Lord, no, it led her offspring into disfavor too.

Christians sometimes extol the mothers of the saints. Well let me tell you
something about mothers. They may mean well; but just because they are mothers
doesn't make them right. Ophelia is a timeless case in point. Mothers are the best
Judas Goats one can imagine. They can lead their children to disaster with far more
effectiveness than the demon world because mothers have the advantage of trust.
Kids are naturally inclined to rely upon their parents, so they are easy victims of
misinformation when the source of that misinformation is moms and dads-- most
especially moms.

You know what can be even worse than going to Hell? Your own children following
you there: and they trusted you. Can you just imagine the anguish that mothers
feel in the netherworld knowing they brought up their children to follow an ideology
whose pot at the end of the rainbow is filled with brimstone instead of gold. How do
mothers bear up under something like that on their conscience?

UPDATE: 212 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 13,170,288 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
_

 

[Sue D.]

@Beetow -- you Do realize that tomorrow - Sunday is Mother's Day. The idea is to honor -- being thankful For our mothers. Sounds like you didn't like your mother -- or she wasn't very much Of a mother. Your bio says that your 77 yrs old -- a little older than myself. My Mother lived to be 98 yrs. old. She was a good -- born again Christian woman. And you're right -- lots of mother Are and lots Aren't.

WoW -- why not share how you Really feel about Mothers.

 

[Brother-Paul]

@Brother-Paul

I do believe you put a lot of effort into your studying and responses.

I don't see myself as being 'confrontational' , just that I don't especially Agree with you on that certain point.

To be saved -- 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 And Romans 10: 9-10.

Greeting Sue

As you point out it is mother's day in USA, so happy mother's day to you.

Now, I say this in Iove, something I say quite often if I feel something may be taken the wrong way, or because I feel tension rising in another person. I thing it is a good thing to do this, as we are to love one another as Christ loves us. Sadly I have not found you say similar, but accept we are all different.

Now I would never call you confrontational Sue, only that, at times, not all the time, you do, to me, come over confrontational.

Allow me to explain, in love sister, the times I refer to are not down to you and me disagreeing on a topic, no, no, it is when scripture is put to you, you don't agree, but cannot back up your views with scripture, so seem to fire back at random and often try change the subject being discussed.

I know you believe, you have said so many times, that you live in a different culture, different to the time of Jesus, different to someone in another country, do you know that one of the things so important when training to be a pastor is to carefully consider the culture of the time, it is just one item of many but it is so important.

Why do I say this? Because you view what we do today is correct and don't appear to want to keep an open mind. There is one serious consideration we should make regarding these thoughts. It is exactly the same attitude the teachers of the law had.

One final comment if I may Sue, the scriptures you quote above are incomplete in themselves. It is like saying Trust in the Lord and you will be saved, or, Believe in the Lord and you will be saved. How do we trust, how do we believe? Even John 3:16, once called the Gospel in miniture, is not enough... For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

It is not enough in itself, we must be born again from above, we must be washed and spiritually regenerated, we must understand it, that includes all of John 3:1-21, Titus 3:5 and other related scriptures.

Peace be with you, enjoy your day

This IS the day that the Lord hath made, let us rejoice and be glad in it.

 

[Brother-Paul]

@B-A-C -- you Do know what those verses say, Right?

Okay -- add John 3:16 to that.

I guess that if you want to add works, that's up to you.

Peace be with you Sue.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings all,

• Judg 17:1-6 . . A man named Micah lived in the hill country of Ephraim. One day
he said to his mother: I heard you curse the thief who stole eleven hundred pieces
of silver from you. Well, here they are. I was the one who took them. The Lord
bless you for admitting it; his mother replied.

. . . He returned the money to her, and she said: I now dedicate these silver coins
to The Lord. In honor of my son, I will have an image carved and an idol cast. So
his mother took two hundred of the silver coins to a silversmith, who made them
into an image and an idol. And these were placed in Micah's house.

Micah's mother (I'll call her Ophelia) broke the very first commandment of the
covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God on oath per Exodus, Leviticus,
Numbers, and Deuteronomy by making statuettes to represent God. (Ex 20:2-4

The interesting thing about Ophelia's religious confusion is that Jehovah was her
God; but in the wrong way; viz: her religion was a mixture of truth and error. The
sad part is; Ophelia's mixed up religious beliefs didn't lead only just herself into
disfavor with The Lord, no, it led her offspring into disfavor too.

Christians sometimes extol the mothers of the saints. Well let me tell you
something about mothers. They may mean well; but just because they are mothers
doesn't make them right. Ophelia is a timeless case in point. Mothers are the best
Judas Goats one can imagine. They can lead their children to disaster with far more
effectiveness than the demon world because mothers have the advantage of trust.
Kids are naturally inclined to rely upon their parents, so they are easy victims of
misinformation when the source of that misinformation is moms and dads-- most
especially moms.

You know what can be even worse than going to Hell? Your own children following
you there: and they trusted you. Can you just imagine the anguish that mothers
feel in the netherworld knowing they brought up their children to follow an ideology
whose pot at the end of the rainbow is filled with brimstone instead of gold. How do
mothers bear up under something like that on their conscience?

do we ever really give thanks to the LORD that we have Bibles and are able to read them and all can find the Way to Life in it's pages? Mothers Fathers, Children, all. The Lord has provided for us all, all that we will ever need, in Himself.

The above quote represents a proportion of people in the world, yet does not set a 'golden rule; for all. Mothers have much in Scripture for guidance and growth, as do Fathers and Children.
The issue of trust is a good point to be reminded of and it is even people who are not our kin who can gain trust, who, likewise can lead us astray if we know not Him and He knows us not, that was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. (John 1:9) and it is so very important that we all take this to heart ===> that we do not lead any astray by our words, lack or words, by our actions or lack of actions, and we find in Scripture that the Way has been provided to keep us from falling.

Going for a walk today with youngsters, we talked about who we really like the most in our family (this was from things being shared) and i told them, to their surprise, that the person i really like the most is me. Then i explained how we all say we like this or don't like that, we want this or we don;t want that, etc etc. After half an hour of trekking and exploring, i resumed the conversation about this... and how perhaps we can see why having Jesus as Lord of our life, we can put Him first, like a good servant, as He Himself taught and gave example to do... and if we do really have Him as our Lord, we can then be relieved of our selfishness and do all things as unto Him! In doing so we can then put others before ourselves.

Yes, some mothers are corrupters of their offspring, as some fathers are also. But let us encourage one another while we can, to follow after the will and desire of our heavenly Father, to His glory and Praise!


Bless you all ....><>

 

[Beetow]

you Do realize that tomorrow - Sunday is Mother's Day.

Hell never sleeps, nor breaks for holidays, nor takes a vacation; it's open for
business 24-7-365.

Souls continuously cascade into the abyss in an endless procession like the
unbelievable millions of poultry broilers passing annually through Tyson chicken
processing plants on their way to Wendy's, McDonalds, Carl's Junior, Jack in the
Box, Burger King, Chic-fil-A, KFC, A&W, Arby's, Dairy Queen, Taco Bell, et al; and
to supermarkets and restaurants all over the USA and wherever else Tyson vends
its meats. The slaughtering and the butchering never stop.

By the time Mothers Day ends at midnight tonight, approximately 62,124 people will
transfer from the upper world to the netherworld. A percentage of them will be mothers.
_

 

[Sue D.]

@Beetow -- and that can also be applied to Fathers.

Maybe you could share about Your Mother. Apparently there is something you need to get out of your system regarding her. Share on "Conversation" area if you want to.