Admon Mikha'el
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In several places throughout the bible there are references to things that came before....The fallen angels, possible references to a preAdamic race....You have to see them.
who was on earth that would find Cain and kill him?
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JerryfromMass
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Brother,
Adam is the "first man." 1 Corinthians 15:45. Eve was created from Adam, and Adam called his wife Eve "because she was the mother of all the living." Genesis 3:20. If Seth came right after Abel's death, then it is possible that in the 130 years before Seth's birth that Adam and Eve had scores of (perhaps over 100) chidren. It is plausible that Cain feared one of his siblings avenging their brother Abel's murder. As far as a pre-Adamic race of people, Scripture does not point in that direction.
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First off I am NOT promulgating Roman Catholic thought at all (in fact quite the opposite) and certainly do not believe the earth is...secondly the only reference to a possible evolution comes from when commands the earth (like the seas) to BRING FORTH CREATURES AFTER ITS OWN KIND...and finally differences of phenotypical development have nothing to do with "race" just variety. It is the BIBLE that says there is only one human race so if you have a problem with that please argue with Him.
JerryfromMass
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Brother,
Also, if Adam and Eve had scores of children in the 130 years before Seth was born, then it's absolutely plausible that those chidren married when they reached the age of marrying and they had chidren, and then their children had children, and so on...
Just for example: if Adam and Eve had 100 children after Abel and before Seth, and after the first male and female turned 16 years old they procreated, and then every year afterwards all of the children that could procreate did procreate, and that cycle of procreation continued until God marked Cain, there could have been over 100,000 people on earth.
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Read the scriptures and stick to what scripture actually teaches
"then it is possible that in the 130 years before Seth's birth that Adam and Eve had scores of (perhaps over 100) children" - scripture does not teach such speculation - you are adding your own ideas derived from mediaeval church
teachings to the narrative. Go back and read how the story in Genesis actually unfolds.
Cain was concerned that other people would take vengeance on him and further he left and married a woman (which is good) before Seth was born. And there is no teaching in scripture that other children to Adam & Eve were
born before Seth (otherwise in the genealogies of Jesus to Adam would include any other son prior to Seth).
"As far as a pre-Adamic race of people, Scripture does not point in that direction" - oh yes they do for Genesis 1 is a different story to Genesis 2.
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Please provide such scriptures.
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Again pure conjecture.
Where does the narrative in Genesis 1-5 lay this out in detail for us to know.
Genesis 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and called his name Seth, for she said, “God has appointed for me another offspring instead of Abel, for Cain killed him.”
I seriously doubt that Eve would have made such a statement if she had already other sons and daughters.
JerryfromMass
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True, scripture is silent on whether Adam and Eve had children after Cain, Abel, and in the 130 years before Seth. However, I'm going to say they did because they were humans with human passions for sexual relations, and then their children and their grand and great-grand children and great-great-great grand children had the same human passions for sexual relations. So, yes, there were thousands of people walking the earth in the 130 years before Seth was born, and before Cain slew Abel.
After admonishing me for adding to scripture, you add a pre-Adamic race where one clearly does not exist. LOL.
JerryfromMass
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Abel was the first one Eve lost, obviously. Thus the statement of Eve that God had appointed her another child for the murdered Abel.
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That is illogical - if Eve had another son before Seth then she would have made this claim about him, and not in regard to Seth.
And this earlier son is not mentioned in the genealogies of Jesus back to Adam.
JerryfromMass
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Why is that? Because you say so? All the hundreds or thousands of children and grandchildren of Eve had were still alive before Cain murdered Abel. Thus the statement of Eve.
JerryfromMass
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Why would any child beside Seth need to be mentioned in the genealogy? One generation to the next.
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Both Genesis 1 and genesis 4 give good evidence for pre-Adamic peoples.
so if Noah's flood killed ALL the humans of the one race of peoples in the whole Earth then how do we get from Semitic peoples of the Middle East to everybody else in less than 4,000 years??
Are creationists falling on their swords and now proclaiming evolution over creation??
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Where??? Quote the scriptures in Genesis 4 to substantiate such speculation.
JerryfromMass
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Shemitic people are from the line of Shem. There is Ham and Japheth, too. Now, when God confused the language of man at Babel, all went in different directions and began to inhabit all parts of the earth. Men were still living hundreds of years and they were continuously procreating. Do the math.
JerryfromMass
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After you give me Scripture that says Adam was not the first man.
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Really??
Is not the first born the one to inherit a blessing and a double portion??
If there was a son before Seth he would be in scripture and he would be in any genealogy -
Luke 3:37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan,
3:38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
see there is no other son between Seth and Adam.
JerryfromMass
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That proves God chose Seth just as God chose Abram, just as God chose Isaac, just as God chose Jacob, and just as God chose Ephraim.
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Genesis 1:26 And God said, let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creepers creeping
on the earth.
1:27 And God created the man in His own image; in the image of God He created him. He created them male and female.
Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God completed His work which He had made. And He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made.
2:3 And God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because He rested from all His work on it, which God had created to make.
Gen 2:7 And Jehovah God formed the man out of dust from the ground, and blew into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
2:18 And Jehovah God said, It is not good, the man being alone. I will make a helper suited to him.
2:21 And Jehovah God caused a deep sleep to fall on the man, and he slept. And He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh underneath.
2:22 And Jehovah God formed the rib which He had taken from the man into a woman, and brought her to the man.
Gen 4:13 And Cain said to Jehovah, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
4:14 Behold! You have driven me out from the face of the earth today. And I shall be hidden from Your face. And I shall be a vagabond and a fugitive on the earth. And it will be that anyone who finds me shall kill me.
4:15 And Jehovah said to him, If anyone kills Cain, he shall be avenged sevenfold. And Jehovah set a mark on Cain, so that anyone who found him should not kill him.
4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of Jehovah. And he lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
4:17 And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and he called the name of the city according to the name of his son, Enoch.
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