many or few?

[B-A-C]

Some equate 'soul' and 'spirit' as the same.

But the Bible does not. Several verses list them separately.


1Cor 15:45; So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
1Thes 5:23; Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Heb 4:12; For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

God the Father is not a parental figure to Jesus Christ His Son.

huh?

 

[Beetow]

God the Father is not a parental figure to Jesus Christ His Son.

I'll give you that one because a father figure is not the same as a biological father.
_

 

[Sue D.]

@Beetow

Regarding Genesis 21 - 22. The Ishmael / Isaac situation.

God had promised a son to Abraham and Sarah Even in their old age. Sarah got impatient and gave Hagar, her hand maid , to Abraham to have a child with -- which was customary in those days. Ishmael was born.
Then God Did fulfill His promise to Sarah and she became pregnant by Abraham -- Isaac was born.

Sarah got jealous of Hagar -- she saw Ishmael scoffing her -- I'd missed this previously. She didn't want Hagar and her son associating with Isaac. Particularly Ishmael and Isaac associating together. So she told Abraham to get rid of Hagar and Ishmael. Send them away. Abraham didn't like that at all. After all Ishmael Was his son as well as Isaac, A thought here -- IF Sarah had waited patiently for God to fulfill His promise -- there would never have been an Ishmael.

Ishmael was never a slave -- he was the biological son of Abraham. Hagar was a bond-woman for Sarah. Unless you consider that as being a slave. She was a surrogate mother.

in Verse 12 , God tells Abraham to go ahead and do as Sarah requested. All would be taken care of through Isaac. His seed.

Hagar was sent away vs 10 "Caste out this bondwoman and her son ". Is casting out the same thing as being set free? vs 14 -- she left and was wandering in the Wilderness of Beersheba, She had limited food and water which ran out. She was resigned to the fate of she and Ishmael dying. Then she wept and God heard her. vs 18 God promises her that vs 18 "Arise , lift up the lad and hold him with your hand, for I sill make him a great nation." God provided a well of water for them so they didn't die. Later on Hagar finds a wife for him in Egypt.

And That ... is the Rest of the story -- as Paul Harvey would say.

Ishmael would have had that status no matter. He was a natural son through Abraham / through Hagar. Isaac was the son of Promise through God.

Genesis 25:9 Abraham died in previous verse and both the sons buried him.

Your 'inescapable ramification' is interesting. Yes, Christ is both human and divine. The circumstances of Christ's birth is something we Should be Thankful for. Yes, as biologically impossible as it is -- God's Word says and and therefore 'we' need to accept and Celebrate it.

God loved us so much that He provided the Son of God / Jesus Christs as our way of salvation. All We need to do is acknowledge our personal need and accept Him as our personal savior.

 

[PloughBoy]

But the Bible does not. Several verses list them separately.


1Cor 15:45; So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
1Thes 5:23; Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Heb 4:12; For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.



huh?

LOL >huh? [and when you pray, say : Our Father] If your Elder "Brother told you" to say "Our Father" , " For he is The 1st Born of many Brothers" I don't know about the rest. But I been Born of HIS Spirit, Born of Heaven, A Heavenly Birth. And wash in The Blood of Jesus! And When My FATHER SEES ME, I am going to look just like Him, My "elder Brother"! And whatever Our father is going to give our elder Brother, it will be a shared "Inheritance" and what EVER I ask HIM! Whatever that I want, He will give it to me! Now How many like that?

Ps but i got News for you, You Ain't going to Want Nothing when you get there! Why? because He have already gave you ALL!

(1 Cor. 3)BSB
"He is THE ONE WHO CATCHES THE WISE BY THEIR CRAFTINESS”; and again, “THE LORD KNOWS THE THOUGHTS of the wise, THAT THEY ARE useless.” So then, no one is to be boasting in people. For all things belong to you," Not Few and Not Many. ALL

 

[PloughBoy]

You know many of you are hearing but you are not hearing! ALL! again ALL! And i am not talking about earth and The Milky WAY it lives in, is still is to small. "Born of GOD"

 

[Beetow]

• Gen 17:1a . .When Abram was ninety-nine years old, Jehovah appeared to Abram
and said to him: I am El Shaddai.

"Shaddai" is from Shadday (shad-dah'-ee) which means: almighty. The word "El" is
not actually in the original Hebrew text but was penciled in by translators. God's
declaration could just as well be worded: I am almighty.

Webster's defines almighty as: having absolute control over everything; which of
course includes power over not just money and politics; but also power over all that
there is; e.g. magnetism, electricity, gravity, inertia, wind, thermodynamics,
pressure, fusion, radiation, light, etc. and of course the power of life.

Anyway; that is the very first occurrence in the Bible of the name Shaddai; and
from there on in, from Genesis to Malachi, without exception, it always identifies
the supreme being; and used to identify no other person in the Old Testament.

• Phil 2:9 . . God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is
above every name

The "highest place" is a position; which of course is the throne of God, and "the
name" above every name is Shaddai.

• Rev 1:8 . . I am . . . the Almighty.

In other words: Jesus has been granted the privilege of sharing the name of God
and of identifying himself by the name of God; and according to Phil 2:10-11,
refusal to bow to Christ as one would to Shaddai is a show of disrespect for God
the Father.
_

 

[PloughBoy]

*

 

[Beetow]

Continued from post No.766


According to 2Sam 7:12-16, David is the paterfamilias of Israel's royal dynasty.
In that position, nobody in the line of succession is superior to David: he outranks
them all.

In point of fact, God established David as not only the highest king in the dynasty,
but also the most superior king on earth; he tops them all.

• Ps 89:20-27 . . I have found My servant David; with My holy oil I have anointed
him . . I will make him My firstborn, the highest of the kings of the earth.

But then, a day came when Jesus was in a discussion that went like this:

• Matt 22:41-46 . .While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them:
What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is he? The son of David; they
replied.

. . . He said to them: How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him
lord? For he says: The Lord said to my lord: Sit at my right hand until I put your
enemies under your feet.

. . . If then David calls him lord, how can he be his son?

There's two separate Hebrew words for "lord" in Ps 110:1. The first is Jehovah,
which is a common name for the supreme being throughout the Old Testament.

The second is 'adown, which is a common title of respect for elders and superiors,
either human or divine. For example Sarah spoke the very same word of her
husband at Gen 18:12, Rachel addressed her dad by it at Gen 31:5, Jacob
addressed his brother Esau by 'adown at Gen 33:8, and the sons of Heth addressed
Abraham by that title during negations for Sarah's grave site in the 23rd of Genesis.

So we could safely translate Ps 110:1 to read: Jehovah said to my superior.

Now, the thing to note is that parents are superior to their children (Ex 20:12) and
yet in the 110th Psalm is one of David's children not only superior to its father but
also seated at God's right hand. How is that so?

Well; informed Christians know from Phil 2:9 that David's son-- who would normally
subordinate to his father --has been promoted to the rank of God, which of course
easily outranks David.

• Ps 45:6-7 . .Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever; a scepter of justice will
be the scepter of your kingdom. You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions.

"your companions" likely refers to Christ's predecessors, i.e. his fellow monarchs in
the Davidic dynasty. He not only outranks them all, but will outlast all of them too
because they all died and gave way to successors; whereas Christ is immortal and
will exercise his rule forever and ever. (cf. Dan 7:13-14 and Rom 6:9)

UPDATE: 239 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 14,847,636 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
_

 

[Sue D.]

@Beetow -- back in #766 -- the Philippians 2:9 passage. vs 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. vs 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name; vs 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, vs 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

A wonderful passage.

And God the Father, Jesus Christ , the Holy Spirit = the Godhead / Trinity. And Jesus Christ being the Son of God. = all working in unity to provide our salvation.

 

[B-A-C]

Col 2:9; For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

John 6:42; They were saying, "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does He now say, 'I have come down out of heaven'?"

Php 2:6; who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be held onto,
Php 2:7; but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

 

[Sue D.]

Continued from post No.766


According to 2Sam 7:12-16, David is the paterfamilias of Israel's royal dynasty.
In that position, nobody in the line of succession is superior to David: he outranks
them all.

In point of fact, God established David as not only the highest king in the dynasty,
but also the most superior king on earth; he tops them all.

• Ps 89:20-27 . . I have found My servant David; with My holy oil I have anointed
him . . I will make him My firstborn, the highest of the kings of the earth.

But then, a day came when Jesus was in a discussion that went like this:

• Matt 22:41-46 . .While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them:
What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is he? The son of David; they
replied.

. . . He said to them: How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him
lord? For he says: The Lord said to my lord: Sit at my right hand until I put your
enemies under your feet.

. . . If then David calls him lord, how can he be his son?

There's two separate Hebrew words for "lord" in Ps 110:1. The first is Jehovah,
which is a common name for the supreme being throughout the Old Testament.

The second is 'adown, which is a common title of respect for elders and superiors,
either human or divine. For example Sarah spoke the very same word of her
husband at Gen 18:12, Rachel addressed her dad by it at Gen 31:5, Jacob
addressed his brother Esau by 'adown at Gen 33:8, and the sons of Heth addressed
Abraham by that title during negations for Sarah's grave site in the 23rd of Genesis.

So we could safely translate Ps 110:1 to read: Jehovah said to my superior.

Now, the thing to note is that parents are superior to their children (Ex 20:12) and
yet in the 110th Psalm is one of David's children not only superior to its father but
also seated at God's right hand. How is that so?

Well; informed Christians know from Phil 2:9 that David's son-- who would normally
subordinate to his father --has been promoted to the rank of God, which of course
easily outranks David.

• Ps 45:6-7 . .Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever; a scepter of justice will
be the scepter of your kingdom. You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions.

"your companions" likely refers to Christ's predecessors, i.e. his fellow monarchs in
the Davidic dynasty. He not only outranks them all, but will outlast all of them too
because they all died and gave way to successors; whereas Christ is immortal and
will exercise his rule forever and ever. (cf. Dan 7:13-14 and Rom 6:9)

UPDATE: 239 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 14,847,636 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
_

Going to vs 45 of the Matthew 22 passage -- the passage ends with that verse -- If David then calls Him "Lord" how is He his Son?"

vs 46 And no one was able to answer Him a word, nor from that day on did anyone dare question Him anymore.

You continue with critiquing the word 'Lord'. which is okay, I guess. It's your post.

Then you've commented regarding David's son -- has been promoted to the rank of God? hmmm NO. and then the rest of the verse " which, of course easily outranks David."

 

[Sue D.]

No one is equal to God.

 

[Beetow]

You continue with critiquing the word 'Lord'.

I'm sometimes asked by newbies and poorly trained Christians how to go
about studying the Bible. Included in my advice is the recommendation to
get themselves a Strong's Concordance because it includes Greek, Hebrew,
and Aramaic lexicons of just about every important word in the Bible. The
thing is: words that are spelled the same, don't always mean the same. A
lexicon helps to sort out the differences.

For those with computers, I recommend a Bible program; for example
Biblesoft PC Study Bible. The programs usually come with several popular
versions of the Bible pre-installed along with the Strong's and some other
useful attachments like maps and commentaries.

Bible programs are available in a range of prices depending on the quality,
but when folks expect to be on-going, lifetime students of the Bible,
programs are a good investment; and learning to use one well worth the effort.
_

 

[complete]

Hello B-A-C,

I went back to your OP, and read both replies 1 & 2 that you entered, and took note of the references you gave and the questions asked. Then the reference from Luke particularly caught my eye, and I thought I would take a closer look at what was said there:-

'And He went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem.
Then said one unto Him, "Lord, are there few that be saved? "
And He said unto them,
"Strive to enter in at the strait gate:
for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.!
When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door,
and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door,
saying, "Lord, Lord, open unto us; "
and he shall answer and say unto you, "I know you not whence ye are:"
Then shall ye begin to say,
"We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets."
But He shall say, "I tell you, I know you not whence ye are;
depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see
Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets,
in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
And they shall come from the east, and from the west,
and from the north, and from the south,
and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.
And, behold, there are last which shall be first,
and there are first which shall be last."'
(Luke 13:22-30)

The first thing that struck me was that this took place as the Lord Journeyed to Jerusalem. I read that this is the second of the Lord's journeys to Jerusalem, corresponding with John 11. Someone asked Him, 'Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?' (Luke13:23) This is a question that many have asked down the centuries I am sure, and still do. Yet the Lord does not tell us the answer to this question, does He?

* The Lord's ministry while on earth was to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and it is to them that these words are directed, and specifically in regard to the generation of the questioner: which is described as, 'a wicked generation' (Matt. 12:45 & Matthew 16:4). The parables of 'The Sower', 'The Barren Fig Tree'. the lamentation over Chorazin, Bethsaida and Capernaum, the description by the Lord of His disciples as 'a little flock' (Luke12:32), seem to suggest that only few were being saved when Christ spoke and taught, although crowds were following Him.

* What follows is a repetition of some of the teaching given in the sermon on the mount. In this passage salvation is to be striven for, and we know that salvation in an evangelical sense cannot be attained by human effort. So, this was the ministry of the Lord to Israel relating to the kingdom of heaven.

* In the ministry of the lord to Israel relating to the kingdom of heaven, salvation has two aspects:-
1) Salvation is from sin, and,
2) Salvation in the completed sense of 'entering the kingdom' which is linked with faithful service.

* The sermon on the mount was addressed primarily to the twelve disciples, who were saved men in the evangelical sense. Salvation, as applied to them, was parallel to 'entering the kingdom' and the word 'enter' is one of the key words of the Gospel of Luke, and each usage should be considered carefully. It is linked with the practical response in service after salvation and is in the nature of a reward which can be won or lost, according as one has rendered either faithful or unfaithful service.

* There is a wealth of detail to be considered in this passage isn't there, and I have barely touched it.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[B-A-C]

* The sermon on the mount was addressed primarily to the twelve disciples,

Matt 7:28; When Jesus had finished these words, the crowds were amazed at His teaching;
Matt 7:29; for He was teaching them as one having authority, and not as their scribes.

teaching "them". Who is "them" here. The crowds.

we know that salvation in an evangelical sense cannot be attained by human effort.

And yet over 2 dozens verses in the new testament say it can be.

 

[Sue D.]

A person's salvation is seen Through their life / how they live / their 'works'.

It is not attained / gotten that way.

 

[Sue D.]

I'm sometimes asked by newbies and poorly trained Christians how to go
about studying the Bible. Included in my advice is the recommendation to
get themselves a Strong's Concordance because it includes Greek, Hebrew,
and Aramaic lexicons of just about every important word in the Bible. The
thing is: words that are spelled the same, don't always mean the same. A
lexicon helps to sort out the differences.

For those with computers, I recommend a Bible program; for example
Biblesoft PC Study Bible. The programs usually come with several popular
versions of the Bible pre-installed along with the Strong's and some other
useful attachments like maps and commentaries.

Bible programs are available in a range of prices depending on the quality,
but when folks expect to be on-going, lifetime students of the Bible,
programs are a good investment; and learning to use one well worth the effort.
_

You're insinuating that I'm either a newby to salvation or a poorly trained Christian. I'm in neither of those catagories.

There are many ways to study the Bible // word studies being one of them. A person can take a word or phrase and trace it throughout Scripture -- very interesting to do.

And I Do have a Strong's Concordance. As well as a Bible Dictionary.

And Bible does interpret itself.

And a word can be Capitalized and means something different than when it's in 'lower-case' -- Word and word /// god and God.

And a person can say the word 'their' but the context tells a person whether or not it means 'their' book, or 'there' is goes . And the word 'two' can mean 'one, Two, three' // or 'go To the store // or 'this is Too much. The context tells a person which is to be used to be spelled correctly.

Seems that you're insinuating that If a person uses those resources that you do -- that the person will always agree with your conclusions. Which isn't necessarily the case.

A wonderment -- that people Before the advent of 'programs' were able to be on-going, life-time students Of the Bible.

 

[complete]

Matt 7:28; When Jesus had finished these words, the crowds were amazed at His teaching;
Matt 7:29; for He was teaching them as one having authority, and not as their scribes.

teaching "them". Who is "them" here. The crowds.



And yet over 2 dozens verses in the new testament say it can be.

Hello @B-A-C,

Perhaps you would give me the references to those verses, so that I can consider them.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Garee]

She was constructed of material taken from Adam's body. But the entirety of
Eve's existence-- her body, soul, and spirit --was completed prior to Adam himself
tasting the forbidden fruit; so it was impossible for him to infect Eve with the fallen
nature via procreation.

Their spirit was subject to the letter of the law (death) Thous shalt not eat of the will of another or you wil surely die when the last breath is taken .

Adam a type of Christ, as the Son of man in respect to his flesh which he declared his own flesh profits for nothing in John 6 seeing it was the unseen work of the father working with the Son of man Jesus that did profit .

Adam failed to protect his wife and as it is written. The second Adam came in and poured out his Spirit in jeopardy of his own spirit life .Called the drinking of blood. Adam and Eve they fell virtue was lost and will be again in the new order in our new bodies. Flesh and blood could never enter the new order. .

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

The life of the flesh is in the blood but that life is spiritual unseen. It’s never about literal corrupted blood .It must be poured out so it can return the lifeless spiritless dust it was formed of.

If a person has received the incorruptible seed the word of God by which all are born again from above they will rise on the last day and receive the promise as sons of God not being what we will be as the eternal chaste virgin bride the church .

Ecclesiastes 12:7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

There are those who do hope the flesh of Jesus could profit and when a person takes their last breath the suffering continues in a place called purgatory .The doctrine of wondering never coming to the end of faith the salvation of ones new heart and soul . Faith is the gift . Not flesh

 

[Garee]

Like reproduces its like. In other words: If Christ really is David's progeny, then
Christ is just as much a human being as David. In the same vein; if Christ really is
God's progeny; then Christ is just as much a divine being as God, viz: Son of God
and Son of Man.

No spirit essence no life .Still born

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

What the Spirit of God calls one , the father of lies divides. And what the Holy Father calls seperate the father of lies calls one.

Flesh gives birth to flesh . . .the unseen spirit give birth to spirit .God is not a man as us and neither is there any infalible fleshly umpire set betwen mankind seen and our heavenly Father not seen . Some call that abomination of desolation the Pope. . the bible calls a daysman (a goverment as a hierachy of men kings, princes, Queen and fathers) . And not the divine goverment the Father and Son working as one God .

Christ the anoitning teacher of God worked in the Son of man Jesus to both reveal his will to Jesus, the prophet sent as a apostle. . and empower him .He said to the Father in heaven ;. . not as I will but you who suplies the power to believe. Jesus performed the good will of the Father as a delight Unlike Jonas he murrumed all the way desireing to die rather than being brother to the new born again Ninevites .

Philipians 2: 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

What applies to us applies to the Son of man , Jesus the first born among the brethern .Jesus recieved no power form the flesh of his mother or sister in the Lord any more that he received power form us who have the treasure of His power .

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.