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What was Paul's thorn in the flesh: spiritual, physical, emotional?

I'm always amazed when Christians throw reason out the window and then wonder why they don't understand the Bible.
I am always amazed on how others would rather trust in man made logic and man made science, than God. Neither of these two incorporate the spiritual, only the physical, whether it be words spoken, written, or physical objects. When you dont include the spiritual, you will never get the complete picture, just a man made one.
 
I am always amazed on how others would rather trust in man made logic and man made science, than God. Neither of these two incorporate the spiritual, only the physical, whether it be words spoken, written, or physical objects. When you dont include the spiritual, you will never get the complete picture, just a man made one.
Logic isn't man made. It's how God created. Thus His statement to Israel, come, let us reason together. When one renounces reason any error is possible.

What is "the spiritual"?
 
What do you make of the thorn in the flesh?

Since Paul before being Born Again, was a dedicated and heartless religious TERRORIST who destroyed many people (for the glory of God), I'll bet a bag of White Castles that his "Thorn" was satan bringing back and throwing memories in his mind of the many atrocities that he'd done to people - before.

Maybe he'd run into people, who's loved ones he'd destroyed, and who weren't impressed with his NEW LIFE as an Apostle.
 
Logic isn't man made. It's how God created. Thus His statement to Israel, come, let us reason together. When one renounces reason any error is possible.

What is "the spiritual"?
Logic itself is good, but I said "man made logic". Any logic is based on assumptions which are based upon lots of experience. First of all, its an assumption that all other peoples direct experiences are genuine as reported so. Second, and related to your query... Spiritual is everything to do with the spiritual world which resides alongside our physical world. Science and logic doesnt have any way to measure or observe the spiritual world in any significant way. The closest instrument that I know of to observe the spiritual, and in such a small way, that it doesnt do any justice to the effort, is korilian photography. It can take a picture of the spiritual energy associated with a recently torn leaf, which will show the glowing outline of the full leaf even though only half of it is present. This is the merest drop in the bucket when it comes to understanding empirically the spirit which resides in all life. even in the air around us, which affects the physical all around us. And korilian photography is looked down upon by science, because it doesnt fit in with their concepts of science and logic.
 
Butch...What on Earth are you talking about? Give a single reference to Paul having poor eyesight...
It seems Paul had others wrote his letters. However, it appears that he had no one to write to the Galatians. He wrote it himself but says he wrote it in large letters. Most likely so he could see it.

See with how large letters I write unto you with mine own hand. (Gal 6:11)
 
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Actually -- Paul's thorn in the flesh was Probably poor eyesight -- based on passage in Galations 4:15
 
Logic itself is good, but I said "man made logic". Any logic is based on assumptions which are based upon lots of experience. First of all, its an assumption that all other peoples direct experiences are genuine as reported so. Second, and related to your query... Spiritual is everything to do with the spiritual world which resides alongside our physical world. Science and logic doesnt have any way to measure or observe the spiritual world in any significant way. The closest instrument that I know of to observe the spiritual, and in such a small way, that it doesnt do any justice to the effort, is korilian photography. It can take a picture of the spiritual energy associated with a recently torn leaf, which will show the glowing outline of the full leaf even though only half of it is present. This is the merest drop in the bucket when it comes to understanding empirically the spirit which resides in all life. even in the air around us, which affects the physical all around us. And korilian photography is looked down upon by science, because it doesnt fit in with their concepts of science and logic.
Firstly there is no man made logic". Logic is proper reasoning. One either reasons properly or they don't.

Logic has nothing to do with assumptions. Logic deals with facts. The Law of non contradiction is a fact. Two opposing things cannot both be true at the same time. That is fact, not assumption.

"The spiritual" has everything to do with the spiritual world. That doesn't tell me what "the spiritual" is. What is the spiritual world?
 
Firstly there is no man made logic". Logic is proper reasoning. One either reasons properly or they don't.

Logic has nothing to do with assumptions. Logic deals with facts. The Law of non contradiction is a fact. Two opposing things cannot both be true at the same time. That is fact, not assumption.

"The spiritual" has everything to do with the spiritual world. That doesn't tell me what "the spiritual" is. What is the spiritual world?
Of course there is man made logic. Even a simpleton knows this. When you use logic and you are a man, thats usually man made logic. And I told you already a little about it. Like all such people who are intellectually dishonest, you ignore that which you cant emperically test. And you cant test that which you cant observe and test. Only those with faith will inherit the kingdom of God. Its not looking good for you. I will pray for you.
 
Firstly there is no man made logic". Logic is proper reasoning. One either reasons properly or they don't.

Logic has nothing to do with assumptions. Logic deals with facts. The Law of non contradiction is a fact. Two opposing things cannot both be true at the same time. That is fact, not assumption.

"The spiritual" has everything to do with the spiritual world. That doesn't tell me what "the spiritual" is. What is the spiritual world?
"It's 11 o'clock in the morning", says the Beijing Chinaman. "No, it's 11 o'clock in the evening", says the Bostonian. Evening and day, light and dark, all at the same time.
 
Of course there is man made logic. Even a simpleton knows this. When you use logic and you are a man, thats usually man made logic. And I told you already a little about it. Like all such people who are intellectually dishonest, you ignore that which you cant emperically test. And you cant test that which you cant observe and test. Only those with faith will inherit the kingdom of God. Its not looking good for you. I will pray for you.

Here is the definition of logic.


reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.

Man uses logic he didn't create it. Man doesn't make logic. What you're talking about is reasoning. One can do it correctly or incorrectly. I didn't ignore anything. On the other hand, you haven't explained what "the spiritual" in the spiritual world is. Please explain.
 
"It's 11 o'clock in the morning", says the Beijing Chinaman. "No, it's 11 o'clock in the evening", says the Bostonian. Evening and day, light and dark, all at the same time.
Thanks for showing you don't understand the law.
 
Here is the definition of logic.


reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.

Man uses logic he didn't create it. Man doesn't make logic. What you're talking about is reasoning. One can do it correctly or incorrectly. I didn't ignore anything. On the other hand, you haven't explained what "the spiritual" in the spiritual world is. Please explain.
I looked it up, in the most popular dictionary Merriam Webster
Logic
a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning


I assume you didnt think I would look it up.
And here is the applicable definition of..
Science
knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific method

The scientific method that proves things is empirical. Studying the spiritual is not able currently to be done empirically. The spiritual world, consists of spirits that reside in nearly all living things, it consists of mind to mind talk, it consists of being able to transmute matter into energy and energy into matter for some spirits. Scripture has several records of God speaking to the waters, saying the rocks can cry out, speaking to the earth. All things alive, and science doesnt even have that right, has a spirit in it. Stars have spirits in them. Man made things are not natural and probably dont have a spirit in them, but I am not sure about that. They affect the physical. This is it for this discussion, you will never understand or agree with your ideas. As I said, I am glad to pray for you, but only when God shows you will you understand.
 
I looked it up, in the most popular dictionary Merriam Webster
Logic
a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning


I assume you didnt think I would look it up.
And here is the applicable definition of..
Science
knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific method

The scientific method that proves things is empirical. Studying the spiritual is not able currently to be done empirically. The spiritual world, consists of spirits that reside in nearly all living things, it consists of mind to mind talk, it consists of being able to transmute matter into energy and energy into matter for some spirits. Scripture has several records of God speaking to the waters, saying the rocks can cry out, speaking to the earth. All things alive, and science doesnt even have that right, has a spirit in it. Stars have spirits in them. Man made things are not natural and probably dont have a spirit in them, but I am not sure about that. They affect the physical. This is it for this discussion, you will never understand or agree with your ideas. As I said, I am glad to pray for you, but only when God shows you will you understand.

What you're saying here is totally irrelevant. The OP asked about Paul's thorn in the side. I said since he had bad eye sight it was a logical conclusion that that was his thorn in the side. Then you bring up faith and "the spiritual" (whatever that means, you still haven't said) which has nothing to do with what I said. Then you said "the spiritual" has to do with the "spirit world" which you also didn't explain. Now here you're talking about "spirits" and changing energy into matter. What does any of this have to do with Paul's thorn in the flesh?

You've got all of this spirit talk. Do you know that the words translated "spirit" in the Bible mean wind or breath. So, what is "the wind"? What is "the windy" and what are these winds that are turning matter into energy? What stars have winds in the them? Before you tell people they're wrong you should at least understand what you're talking about. It sounds to me like your talking about Gnosticism.
 
What you're saying here is totally irrelevant. The OP asked about Paul's thorn in the side. I said since he had bad eye sight it was a logical conclusion that that was his thorn in the side. Then you bring up faith and "the spiritual" (whatever that means, you still haven't said) which has nothing to do with what I said. Then you said "the spiritual" has to do with the "spirit world" which you also didn't explain. Now here you're talking about "spirits" and changing energy into matter. What does any of this have to do with Paul's thorn in the flesh?

You've got all of this spirit talk. Do you know that the words translated "spirit" in the Bible mean wind or breath. So, what is "the wind"? What is "the windy" and what are these winds that are turning matter into energy? What stars have winds in the them? Before you tell people they're wrong you should at least understand what you're talking about. It sounds to me like your talking about Gnosticism.
LOL, you are funny when you know you are wrong, and instead of recognizing it, you just attack the person's character. Grade school reaction.
 
LOL, you are funny when you know you are wrong, and instead of recognizing it, you just attack the person's character. Grade school reaction.
I didn't attach your character. I simply pointed out that what you're saying has nothing to do with what I said. As I said, there is no man made logic. No man created the law of non contradiction. They simply named it. It is part of God's created order. It's God's created order that says a glass can't be both full and empty at the same time, not man's thinking.

I've asked repeatedly what "the spiritual" is. I've asked repeatedly what the "spiritual world" is. You've not answered. Instead you mention stars having spirits and turning energy into matter. If you don't know what they are how can you tell me I'm wrong? As I pointed out, the words mean wind or breath. So, what is "the windy" ? What is "the windy world"?
 
I didn't attach your character. I simply pointed out that what you're saying has nothing to do with what I said. As I said, there is no man made logic. No man created the law of non contradiction. They simply named it. It is part of God's created order. It's God's created order that says a glass can't be both full and empty at the same time, not man's thinking.

I've asked repeatedly what "the spiritual" is. I've asked repeatedly what the "spiritual world" is. You've not answered. Instead you mention stars having spirits and turning energy into matter. If you don't know what they are how can you tell me I'm wrong? As I pointed out, the words mean wind or breath. So, what is "the windy" ? What is "the windy world"?
I have already told you your answer, and you only respond, "you never responded about the spiritual". I did and your are not grasping anything I tell you about the spiritual world, but continue to tell me what you "supposedly know" about the spirit, its some wind. Okay then windy, I am blowing out of this conversation.
 
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