Are we ALL the offspring of God??

[theQuestion]

Hear only those siding with you.
That's why he said: “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few. "

 

[Hitch]

Hear only those siding with you.
That's why he said: “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few. "

Im curious , where were you trolling before you landed here ?

 

[theQuestion]

Im curious , where were you trolling before you landed here ?

Why do you call it "trolling'?
Referring to what the Bible really says is TROLLING?

 

[PloughBoy]

Didn't Christ say in PRAYER to his God " You, the ONLY true God!"
Know what the word "ONLY" means?
Scripture: Both angels and Jesus are the son of GOD! Saying 'baloney' to THAT?

There is a only One Son of the Living GOD. The Trinity means 3 not many. The One God is a "Triune GOD". and a mortal mind cannot define or comprehend that which is "incomprehensible". Now if you think a corrupted finite mind can comprehend the Infinite. Go head be my quest.

 

[Hitch]

Why do you call it "trolling'?
Referring to what the Bible really says is TROLLING?

Why does it sound so much like JW dogma ?Especially this part :" what the Bible really says"

 

[theQuestion]

Why does it sound so much like JW dogma ?Especially this part :" what the Bible really says"

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Hee-hee! You say it like it Foul!

 

[Hitch]

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Hee-hee! You say it like it Foul!

JW dogma is among the refuse of modern thinking. Most foul.

 

[Reba1]

The Word of God set the hierarchy of His Church.

 

[Rhema]

Scripture: Both angels and Jesus are the son of GOD! Saying 'baloney' to THAT?

Well we at least know that Adam was a son of God.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

There is a only One Son of the Living GOD.

Well we at least know that Adam was a son of God.

Rhema

(so that makes at least two...and it looks like there are more....)

But as many as receaued hym, to them gaue he power to be the sonnes of God, euen them that beleued on his name.​

(John 1:12 Bishops)​

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but as many as received him, to them gave he the right to be children of God, to those that believe on his name;​

(John 1:12 Darby)​

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But as many as received him, he gave them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in his name.​

(John 1:12 DRB)​

 

[PloughBoy]

Well we at least know that Adam was a son of God.

Rhema

(so that makes at least two...and it looks like there are more....)

But as many as receaued hym, to them gaue he power to be the sonnes of God, euen them that beleued on his name.​

(John 1:12 Bishops)​

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but as many as received him, to them gave he the right to be children of God, to those that believe on his name;​

(John 1:12 Darby)​

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But as many as received him, he gave them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in his name.​

(John 1:12 DRB)​

I am different, and among the few, Concerning "Adam" which means "Human" and I will state, ADAM was only a lump of dirt created by "The Christ of GOD" a mere lump of dirt . and could never be a "son of The LIVING GOD" I will state it another way, Adam was never "Born of GOD" and had a "Heavenly Birth", But i will repeat, "I am among The Few" who believes this and this understanding I believe cannot be taken away, neither by the counsel of men, even the Angels that is in Heaven or The Creatures that exist below, and any other living creature that exist, both "Invisible and visible".

And I believe, " a little leaven contaminates the whole lump"
"For Flesh and Blood can never Inherit eternal life"

Salutations

 

[Samson2020]

Hear only those siding with you.
That's why he said: “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few. "

1 Peter 1:19-21 But with the precious blood of Christ: as of a lamb without blemish and without spot, Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Who by Him (Jesus) do believe in God, that raised Him up from the dead, and gave Him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Jesus was foreordained to be the only physically begotten Son of God before the foundation of the world, but was not begotten of God until the overshadowing of Mary by the Holy Ghost.
He was a member of what has been translated as god (Elohim) a plural feminine word. We all are of the same Elohim group as we all came out from the Father, for there apparently was nothing worthy of becoming Gods sons except that which came from within God. Therefore Jesus became the Son of the only true God the day He was begotten of God. His preexistence and yours are a surety, but as Elohim we, along with Him, were incapable of independent life even though we were a part of God. Similar to a heart that is composed of many thousands of cells,but cannot exist on their own, much less outside the body. "As the Father hath life in Himself, even so hath He GIVEN to the Son to have life in Himself"
proof that Jesus did not have life within himself until it was given to Him by His Father. Thus He was not the only true God, nor even a God until after He was perfected by His Father. We all seek to put on the immortal and the incorruptible but that is not transferred as an inheritance until you are perfected. He demonstrated the WAY unto perfection through suffering (Too much to mention here) as a man just as is
required of His brethren.

Heb 1:5
For unto which of the angels said He at any time
Thou art My Son
This day have I begotten thee?
And again,

I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to me a Son.

As illustrated by the passages there was a DAY in which Jesus was begotten in the flesh by the Father as a man. By definition a body that contained a spirit. That spirit just like yours needed to be born a second time (spiritually) as the spirit placed in the flesh is only feminine, but becomes a son when quickened by the Holy Ghost (born from above), exactly as what happens to each of the elect, in order to see the kingdom of God. It behooved Him to be made exactly like His brethren in all things. We are human and so was He. And as He is our Brother He cannot be our Father. He even expressly said as much in John 20.....I ascend to My Father, AND YOUR FATHER, and to MY GOD and YOUR GOD."
Jesus was the first and only begotten of the Father twice. Once in the flesh and once spiritually. He is the pattern for all who would follow Him into the kingdom of God and be sons of the only true God. He blazed the trail for us to follow.

Again the verses say I WILL BE, and HE SHALL BE, these are future tense words, indicating that Jesus was not yet a Son nor was God yet a Father until the overshadowing.

He came unto His own and His own received Him not. His own what? Brethren! "And If children, then heirs, heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ." If Christ is an heir of God, as we are,
then He cannot be the ONLY TRUE GOD for God is not His own Heir, as the verse applies to the children of the Father. Of which, Jesus was the first to come into that inheritance.

"For since by man came death, by man (Jesus) came also the resurrection of the dead." This is part of his inheritance! A big part. And if your a joint heir???????

 

[Reba1]

No Samson you are not a god and never will be.

 

[Hitch]

1 Peter 1:19-21 But with the precious blood of Christ: as of a lamb without blemish and without spot, Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Who by Him (Jesus) do believe in God, that raised Him up from the dead, and gave Him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Jesus was foreordained to be the only physically begotten Son of God before the foundation of the world, but was not begotten of God until the overshadowing of Mary by the Holy Ghost.
He was a member of what has been translated as god (Elohim) a plural feminine word. We all are of the same Elohim group as we all came out from the Father, for there apparently was nothing worthy of becoming Gods sons except that which came from within God. Therefore Jesus became the Son of the only true God the day He was begotten of God. His preexistence and yours are a surety, but as Elohim we, along with Him, were incapable of independent life even though we were a part of God. Similar to a heart that is composed of many thousands of cells,but cannot exist on their own, much less outside the body. "As the Father hath life in Himself, even so hath He GIVEN to the Son to have life in Himself"
proof that Jesus did not have life within himself until it was given to Him by His Father. Thus He was not the only true God, nor even a God until after He was perfected by His Father. We all seek to put on the immortal and the incorruptible but that is not transferred as an inheritance until you are perfected. He demonstrated the WAY unto perfection through suffering (Too much to mention here) as a man just as is
required of His brethren.

Heb 1:5
For unto which of the angels said He at any time
Thou art My Son
This day have I begotten thee?
And again,

I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to me a Son.

As illustrated by the passages there was a DAY in which Jesus was begotten in the flesh by the Father as a man. By definition a body that contained a spirit. That spirit just like yours needed to be born a second time (spiritually) as the spirit placed in the flesh is only feminine, but becomes a son when quickened by the Holy Ghost (born from above), exactly as what happens to each of the elect, in order to see the kingdom of God. It behooved Him to be made exactly like His brethren in all things. We are human and so was He. And as He is our Brother He cannot be our Father. He even expressly said as much in John 20.....I ascend to My Father, AND YOUR FATHER, and to MY GOD and YOUR GOD."
Jesus was the first and only begotten of the Father twice. Once in the flesh and once spiritually. He is the pattern for all who would follow Him into the kingdom of God and be sons of the only true God. He blazed the trail for us to follow.

Again the verses say I WILL BE, and HE SHALL BE, these are future tense words, indicating that Jesus was not yet a Son nor was God yet a Father until the overshadowing.

He came unto His own and His own received Him not. His own what? Brethren! "And If children, then heirs, heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ." If Christ is an heir of God, as we are,
then He cannot be the ONLY TRUE GOD for God is not His own Heir, as the verse applies to the children of the Father. Of which, Jesus was the first to come into that inheritance.

"For since by man came death, by man (Jesus) came also the resurrection of the dead." This is part of his inheritance! A big part. And if your a joint heir???????

As illustrated by the passages there was a DAY in which Jesus was begotten in the flesh by the Father as a man. By definition a body that contained a spirit. That spirit just like yours needed to be born a second time (spiritually) as the spirit placed in the flesh is only feminine, but becomes a son when quickened by the Holy Ghost (born from above), exactly as what happens to each of the elect, in order to see the kingdom of God. It behooved Him to be made exactly like His brethren in all things

Where did you get that?

8Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

I gather you deny the Trinity, correct ?

 

[Rookster]

The Devil never created anything as he is a creation himself. He perverts the spirits that come out from the Father that inhabit these earthen vessels, but the spirits are from God.

In the mind they are the children of the Devil but that mind that is carnal will eventually return to the dust from which it was made. And the spirit will return to the Father who gave it.

Yes technically speaking we are all the offspring of God

Some of his offspring have been so extremely disobedient however that they have been kicked out of the family

 

[PloughBoy]

Hey, everyone, it is supposed to be over 2.6 billions of Christians in the World and over 40 million denominations. I cannot keep up, Let us Shut the door and don't let nobody else in. "and every man did that was wise in his own eyes" in a minute, everybody will be entering the "Institute" and i don't mean "The Institute of Technology". If we keep this up. They will lock us all up and throw away the key.

 

[PloughBoy]

For many do not understand "true Theology"which is "GOD Study" or "The Study of GOD" only as prescribe in The BIBLICAL TEXT of "Holy Scripture" in that definition only and not this modern day definitions of theology. And the goal of many is to take away "THE PREEMINENCE of JESUS CHRIST" and many do not even know it, is what they are doing in their thoughts and Proclamations.

And the sad part is, many enjoy doing it and many consider it a act of praise and worship and Holy Proclamations and honor by doing it. A act of Sanctification by expressing their truth in The name of JESUS.

(MATTHEW 15)KJV
8‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

 

[Samson2020]

As illustrated by the passages there was a DAY in which Jesus was begotten in the flesh by the Father as a man. By definition a body that contained a spirit. That spirit just like yours needed to be born a second time (spiritually) as the spirit placed in the flesh is only feminine, but becomes a son when quickened by the Holy Ghost (born from above), exactly as what happens to each of the elect, in order to see the kingdom of God. It behooved Him to be made exactly like His brethren in all things

Where did you get that?

8Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

I gather you deny the Trinity, correct ?

Like I said in the post the Elohim which was translated as God about 2300 times is a plural, feminine word. Example from Bible that supports this feminine concept is David in the Psalms
Psalms 34:2 "My soul shall make HER boast in the LORD: the humble shall hear thereof and be glad."

Like His brethren comes from Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behooved Him to be like unto His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful high priest......

He had to be a man in order to understand what a man went through upon the face of the earth, it was through His own experiential knowledge of our situation that would make Him
a more merciful priest, He had to live it. This of course was by the design of God.
We who will be made kings and priests unto God through Jesus Christ will obtain that same experiential knowledge that will make us more merciful and faithful priests as well.

The post stands for itself as far as trinity is concerned. I have fought that too many times and care not to indulge in it further, but will say:
There is ONE TRUE GOD that is the Father of us all including Jesus Christ. There is one Son of God that has been proclaimed to be a God after He was resurrected by His Father.

Psalms 45:6-7 Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: the scepter of thy kingdom is a right scepter. Thou lovest righteousness and hatest wickedness: Therefore GOD, THY GOD, hath anointed
thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Put this with John 20:17 and understand that God is the God of Jesus according to His own words. Here are 2 witnesses.
Psalms 45:6-7 Repeated in Hebrews 1:8-9
The 45th Psalms should be read to understand that this prophecy was about Jesus. But was not completely fulfilled until after Jesus' resurrection some 500 plus yrs later,
when He was glorified by the Father.

Jesus Christ the same ............. Jesus was the 41st generation from Abraham. It was not until He received His baptism in the Holy Ghost at Jordan that He became the 42nd Generation.
The very first of the NEW CREATURES. Thus Jesus Christ the same etc began that day as the very 1st man to ever be born of God spiritually(born again) and this was the opening up of the Kingdom of God which he preached His entire ministry as this was the resurrecting power that this man attained to according to the wisdom and plan of God. Rightly dividing the word of God is not always an easy thing to do.

No Samson you are not a god and never will be.

Acts 13:41" Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish; For I work a work in your days, a work that ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you."

Tell me what word would you apply to
1) An immortal spiritual being, that death has no dominion over.
2) An incorruptible spiritual being.
3) One that sits in the same throne as Jesus Christ who sits in His Fathers throne.
4) One to whom nothing is impossible according to Jesus Himself in Matt 17:20
5) Who has been justified and glorified by God.
6) And is a son of God. Remembering that KIND PRODUCES KIND.


Ps the post never said I was. And neither was Jesus until after His resurrection for that is when He was glorified and all power in heaven and earth was given to Him.
No elect is glorified until the first resurrection, so it would seem most peculiar to me also if someone were to declare they already were a god while still stuck in a human body.
The sons of God who are still in the body are undergoing a gestational period where they become more like their Father. Jesus underwent this same process while still in the body,
this was His period of perfecting. And having been perfected He became the author of eternal salvation, and a life giving Spirit. And we know that when we see Jesus we shall see
Him as he is now for we shall be like Him. Immortal, and Incorruptible.

 

[B-A-C]

Psalms 34:2 "My soul shall make HER boast in the LORD: the humble shall hear thereof and be glad."

Psalms 34:2
(ABP+) [3inG1722 4theG3588 5 LORD G2962 2shall applaudG1867 G3588 1My soul].G5590 G1473 Let [2hearG191 1 the gentle]G4239 andG2532 be glad!G2165
(AMPC) My life makes its boast in the Lord; let the humble and afflicted hear and be glad.
(AMPC+) My life makes its boast in the Lord; let the humble and afflicted hear and be glad.
(ASV) My soul shall make her boast in Jehovah: The meek shall hear thereof, and be glad.
(BBE) My soul will say great things of the Lord: the poor in spirit will have knowledge of it and be glad.
(CEV) With all my heart, I will praise the LORD. Let all who are helpless, listen and be glad.
(CSB) I will boast in the LORD; the humble will hear and be glad.
(ESV) My soul makes its boast in the LORD; let the humble hear and be glad.
(ESV+) My soul R17makes its boast in the LORD; let the humble hear and R18be glad.
(GNB) I will praise him for what he has done; may all who are oppressed listen and be glad!
(GW) My soul will boast about the LORD. Those who are oppressed will hear it and rejoice.
(HCSB) I will boast in the LORD; the humble will hear and be glad.
(Hebrew OT+) אברכהH1288 אתH853 יהוהH3068 בכלH3605 עתH6256 תמידH8548 תהלתוH8416 בפי׃H6310
(ISV) My soul will glorify the LORD; the humble will hear about it and rejoice.
(KJV) My soul shall make her boast in the LORD: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.
(KJV+) My soulH5315 shall make her boastH1984 in the LORD:H3068 the humbleH6035 shall hearH8085 thereof, and be glad.H8055
(KJVA) My soul shall make her boast in the LORD: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.
(LSV) In YHWH my soul boasts herself, || The humble hear and rejoice.
(MKJV) My soul shall make its boast in Jehovah; the humble shall hear and be glad.
(MSG) I live and breathe GOD; if things aren't going well, hear this and be happy:
(NAS77) My soul shall make its boast in the LORD; The humble shall hear it and rejoice.
(NAS95) My soul will make its boast in the LORD; The humble will hear it and rejoice.
(NAS95+) My soulH5315 will R1makeH1984b its boastH1984b in the LORDH3068; The R2humbleH6035 will hearH8085 it and rejoiceH8055.
(NIrV) I will honor the LORD. Let those who are hurting hear and be joyful.
(NIV) I will glory in the LORD; let the afflicted hear and rejoice.
(NKJV) My soul shall make its boast in the LORD; The humble shall hear of it and be glad.
(NLT) I will boast only in the LORD; let all who are helpless take heart.

It seems few of the translations, use "her". This doesn't appear to be in the original Hebrew.

(Hebrew OT+) אברכהH1288 אתH853 יהוהH3068 בכלH3605 עתH6256 תמידH8548 תהלתוH8416 בפי׃H
But even the translations that do this ( pretty much only the KJV versions ) seem to be saying your spirit, not God's Spirit is the "her" here.

 

[Samson2020]

But even the translations that do this ( pretty much only the KJV versions ) seem to be saying your spirit, not God's Spirit is the "her" here.

That is 100% correct. It is our spirit that is the feminine. Once joined with the masculine Holy Spirit a new creation is formed that is a son of God in the making. The second conception
if you will, as this son will not be made manifest except by his words and works that the Father gives him to do, just like Jesus demonstrated, until after the first resurrection, wherein all
creation is set free from the vanity that it was subjected to by the Father, by His manifesting His glorified sons.

We know that the natural things clearly explain the spiritual things. A human is conceived, gestates 9 months, then is born into the world as a new autonomous being. The same in the
spiritual, a conception, a gestation, then a birthing into the spiritual realm at the time of the 1st resurrection as an independent autonomous being that is a fully mature son of God.