Trinity

[Squeakybro]

Deity-Divinity

I have seen these words used in so many different context, that I had to go to the library and look in the big dictionary. To try to find out why these people are using it the way they are. It amazed me. The carnal language is dangerous because it is satans play ground. Satan can use the carnal mind, change a few words, exaggerate anything there. But the spiritual mind which is only verses, he has no power. He can only try with a piece of a verse, and this is why I tell everybody. If you ever get a piece of a verse, go look it up for verification. But he(satan) will not use a whole verse because that is glorifiing Christ. And satan is anti-christ. Now when I speak of verses I'm speaking of new testament verses, because we know that he(satan) quotes old testament verses. And yes the Holy Spirit quotes old testament verses to. But Christ is the new testament. Anyway check out these deffinitions from the big dictionary at the library.

deity 1 a: often cap : divine nature or rank: the essintial nature of a god or of a supreme being: DIVINITY

di-vin-i-ty 1:the quality or state of being divine: nature or essence of God: GODHEAD (the divinity of Jesus) a celestial being inferior to the supreme God but superior to man<one of the subservient divinities>

Now it doesnt say that Jesus is God, what it says is He is second in command, it says Jesus is inferior to the supreme God but over every other creature in heaven and on earth.
I got my deffinitions from websters new world dictionary copyright 1993

Col 2-9
I think your totally missing what that one verse was saying. It was talking about the fullness of God working through Jesus. Has nothing to do with the deity of Jesus.

Col 2:8-9
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
(NKJ)

2 Cor 5:19
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
(NKJ)

Stricked Rules Of Believing
Trinity is NOT in the Word of God. Deity is NOT in the Word of God. God the Son is NOT in the Word of God. God the Holy Spirit is NOT in the Word of God. What is in the Word of God is. Dont think beyond what is written, Dont add one thing to it or take one thing away from it.

1 Cor 4:6
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
(NKJ)

Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
(NKJ)

John 12:48-50
48 "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him-- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
50 "And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak."
(NKJ)
AND THE DEITY OF SATAN

xxxThe devil is a deity.

4567 Satanas (sat-an-as');

of Aramaic origin corresponding to 4566 (with the definite affix); the accuser, i.e. the devil:

KJV-- Satan.

1140 daimonion (dahee-mon'-ee-on);

neuter of a derivative of 1142; a daemonic being; by extension a deity:

KJV-- devil, god.

The only three in one trinity god in the bible is the dragon, devil, satan.

2316 theos (theh'-os);

of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with 3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very:

KJV-- X exceeding, God, god [-ly, -ward].


2 Cor 11:14-15
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
(NKJ)

II Th 2:4
4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
(NKJ)

xxx There is only one three in one god in the whole bible. Satan is useing the trinity to mock the living God.

Rev 20:2
2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
(NKJ)

xxx Deity has always been angels that are superior to man but inferior to God. Satan has always represented the wrath of God. And Jesus has always represented the righteousness of God.

 

[Shaolin]

If it was from the Holy Spirit you should have proven it by quoting the verses.

I did...many Scriptures...you are just too spiritually blind to see them, like a vampire cannot look at a cross...

 

[Shaolin]

John 8:24

Yep, exactly!!!

That is how we know that SB not only isn't saved, but is hearing demonic voices rather than the Holy Spirit's voice...(along with his unbiblical posts).

 

[Shaolin]

Stricked Rules Of Believing
Trinity is NOT in the Word of God. Deity is NOT in the Word of God. God the Son is NOT in the Word of God. God the Holy Spirit is NOT in the Word of God. What is in the Word of God is. Dont think beyond what is written, Dont add one thing to it or take one thing away from it.

Yes, indeed...but wait...the Holy Spirit is not in the Word of God? "Deity" is not in the Word of God?

Colossians 2:9
For in Him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,

Your theology is jacked up, "bro."

The term "rapture" is not in the Bible either, it is a theological term that we use when speaking of a clear Biblical concept taught in Scripture...just like "trinity."

You have some serious issues...

 

[Squeakybro]

I did...many Scriptures...you are just too spiritually blind to see them, like a vampire cannot look at a cross...

ROFLOL Do you actually think anyone is going to believe you?

 

[Curtis]

Joh 8:24 That’s why I’ve told you that you will all die in your sins if you fail to believe that I AM who I AM.”(TPT)

Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, “I give you this eternal truth: I have existed long before Abraham was born, for I AM!”(TPT)

Exo 3:14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” (ESV)

 

[Squeakybro]

Joh 8:24 That’s why I’ve told you that you will all die in your sins if you fail to believe that I AM who I AM.”(TPT)

Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, “I give you this eternal truth: I have existed long before Abraham was born, for I AM!”(TPT)

Exo 3:14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” (ESV)

THE I AM DELUSION JOHN 8-58

Matt 16:13-17
13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, "Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?"
14 So they said, "Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"
16 Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
17 Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
John 7:39-43
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
40 Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet.
41 Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee?
42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
43 So there was a division among the people because of him.
John 7:51-52
51 Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?
52 They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet.
John 8:1-2
1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
John 8:12
12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
John 8:16-18
16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
John 8:21
21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
John 8:23-24
23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 8:28-29
28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
John 8:58-59
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
(KJV)
xxx Jesus was teaching in the temple and they were questioning Him on whether or not He was the Christ. Then they all went home and came back the next day to question Him some more. When Jesus told them: you will die in your sins if you do not believe that I am He. Then in verse 58 Jesus was telling them that even before Abraham that I am . But they picked up stones to throw at Him so they cut Jesus off in the middle of His sentance and Jesus got out of there. Jesus was claiming that" I AM He" the Christ. Jesus was not claiming He was God.
verse 24 and 28 Jesus said it, I am he. Jesus was saying He was the Christ that they were speaking of in John 7-41. But in is obvious why they didnt understand from John 7-39 they havent received the Holy Spirit yet. And even today many do not know the Spirit and get deceived in the verses.

 

[Curtis]

2Pe 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: (ESV)

 

[Squeakybro]

2Pe 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: (ESV)

Do you see the word "and"?


We only have ONE guaranteed teacher that will teach us from inside outselves. And never leave us. The Holy Spirit verse 26 says He brings to remembrance what Jesus has already said to us. He does this by quoting what Jesus said--the verses. now we are not to even think beyond what is written in the bible. We are not allowed to add one word to the verses or take one word away from the verses.
The Holy Spirit will never be able to teach the trinity doctrine, because it isnt written any where in scripture.



[2Co 5:5
[5] Now He who has prepared us for this very thing [is] God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

[Jhn 14:26
[26] "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

[1Co 4:6
[6] Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.

[Rev 22:18-19
[18] For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
[19] and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

xxx If we go by what is written in scripture we see Jesus making the claim that the Father is the only true God.

[Jhn 17:1-3
[1] Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
[2] "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
[3] "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

xxx If we go by what is written in scripture we see that even Paul says the same thing.

[1Co 8:5-6
[5] For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
[6] yet for us [there is] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom [are] all things, and through whom we [live].

 

[Curtis]

Jesus got out of there. Jesus was claiming that" I AM He" the Christ.

Negative, the word, "He" is NOT in the original text. Jesus claimed be the "IAM"

 

[Squeakybro]

Negative, the word, "He" is NOT in the original text. Jesus claimed be the "IAM"

Read the conversation, its so obvious.

 

[Curtis]

Do you see the word "and"?


We only have ONE guaranteed teacher that will teach us from inside outselves. And never leave us. The Holy Spirit verse 26 says He brings to remembrance what Jesus has already said to us. He does this by quoting what Jesus said--the verses. now we are not to even think beyond what is written in the bible. We are not allowed to add one word to the verses or take one word away from the verses.
The Holy Spirit will never be able to teach the trinity doctrine, because it isnt written any where in scripture.



[2Co 5:5
[5] Now He who has prepared us for this very thing [is] God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

[Jhn 14:26
[26] "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

[1Co 4:6
[6] Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.

[Rev 22:18-19
[18] For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
[19] and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

xxx If we go by what is written in scripture we see Jesus making the claim that the Father is the only true God.

[Jhn 17:1-3
[1] Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
[2] "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
[3] "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

xxx If we go by what is written in scripture we see that even Paul says the same thing.

[1Co 8:5-6
[5] For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
[6] yet for us [there is] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom [are] all things, and through whom we [live].

Negative, do you know the word, "and" means not only is Jesus God He is also our savior.

 

[Squeakybro]

Negative, do you know the word, "and" means not only is Jesus God He is also our savior.

Not so Me and Fred see it the same way

 

[Curtis]

Read the conversation, its so obvious.

It is only obvious to those who are truly "Born-again"
All born-again believers have the "revelation" that Jesus is God and Lord, and savior!

 

[Squeakybro]

Not so Me and Fred see it the same way

And I'm not Fred.

 

[Curtis]

Not so Me and Fred see it the same way

You can believe anything you want. You have free will.

 

[Squeakybro]

It is only obvious to those who are truly "Born-again"
All born-again believers have the "revelation" that Jesus is God and Lord, and savior!

Then show me this revelation you say you have on it. I showed you all my revelations proving what I say.

 

[Squeakybro]

You can believe anything you want. You have free will.

We only have ONE guaranteed teacher that will teach us from inside outselves. And never leave us. The Holy Spirit verse 26 says He brings to remembrance what Jesus has already said to us. He does this by quoting what Jesus said--the verses. now we are not to even think beyond what is written in the bible. We are not allowed to add one word to the verses or take one word away from the verses.
The Holy Spirit will never be able to teach the trinity doctrine, because it isnt written any where in scripture.



[2Co 5:5
[5] Now He who has prepared us for this very thing [is] God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

[Jhn 14:26
[26] "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

[1Co 4:6
[6] Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.

[Rev 22:18-19
[18] For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
[19] and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

xxx If we go by what is written in scripture we see Jesus making the claim that the Father is the only true God.

[Jhn 17:1-3
[1] Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
[2] "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
[3] "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

xxx If we go by what is written in scripture we see that even Paul says the same thing.

[1Co 8:5-6
[5] For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
[6] yet for us [there is] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom [are] all things, and through whom we [live].

 

[Shaolin]

Read the conversation, its so obvious.

What is obvious is that you are not saved, that you don't have the Holy Spirit indwelling within you, and that being said you can't understand Scripture because Scripture is only understandable to those who have the Holy Spirit, because He is the one who makes us to understand it...

1 Corinthians 2:13-14*
13 and which we impart, not in teaching human wisdom but taught in words from the Spirit, comparing spiritual truths with one another to those who are spiritual, enlightened by the Holy Spirit.
14 But the natural man chooses not to receive the things of the Spirit of God because they are absurd to him; and he does not have the power to come to know them because they are only carefully and accurately examined by the assistance of the Holy Spirit.

SB doesn't know what he is talking about because he doesn't have the Spirit guiding his understanding. Rather, he has his own carnal mind playing around in the devil's playground.

 

[Shaolin]

2. Jesus directly claims to be Yahweh God in the flesh:


Matthew 26:63-66*
But Jesus remained silent. And the high priest said to him, "I adjure you by the living God, tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God." Jesus said to him, "What you have asked Me is a fact. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven." Then the high priest tore his robes and said, "He has uttered blasphemy. What further witnesses do we need? You have now heard His blasphemy. What is your judgment?” They answered, “He deserves death!”


First of all, we need to look at the title “the Son of God,” because it carried with it in the Jewish mind a meaning that we today are generally ignorant of. The reason why the Jews were repeatedly thrown into a killing frenzy every time Jesus called Himself “the Son of God” is because Jews considered themselves the children of God by right – but Jesus called Himself “THE” Son of God (o UioV tou Qeou), which implies special significance. The claim to be “THE Son of God” directly implies that He was the only son of God, separate from mere human children of God, and a uniqueness and equality with Yahweh God (deity).

After Caiaphas asks Jesus whether or not He is the Messiah, the divine Son of God, Jesus answers with “You have so said,” which Mark records as “I AM.” Luke records it as a Greek idiom for “Yes” (“You say that I am”); and their reply was that He needed to die for blasphemy. Here in Matthew’s account, what Jesus replied with (“You have so said”) is paramount to “What you have asked Me is a fact,” which is why it is thusly translated here. The Sanhedrin called it blasphemy because they understood full well what He was claiming – that He was equal with God, that He Himself was deity.

The Jews instantly recognized what Jesus said and meant; where did this knowledge come from, that the Christ would be the son of man according to the flesh, but would be Yahweh Himself in human form? How did they recognize what Jesus was saying? Because they understood full well the OT Messianic Scriptures that the Messiah would be Yahweh in the flesh.

Unfortunately, they also misinterpreted the Scriptures into thinking that there would be two Messiahs – the meek and mild loving Messiah, and then the conquering King Messiah. They wanted the conquering Messiah, not the loving one, so they had no compunctions at fulfilling the Messianic prophecies telling them that the Messiah would be killed...thus they themselves brought those prophetic utterances to pass.

The main point here is that Scripture demonstrates that they knew full well the Scripture that taught the Messiah would be deity, and that they understood the claims of Jesus to be deity. People today who claim to know what the Jews (according to them) didn’t know, but only acted in self-interest, is not only preposterous to claim, but also foolishness. They understood full well, and we are to take their first-hand knowledge and understanding as fact.


John 5:18
This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.


The Jews understood Jesus’ words to mean nothing short of peculiar personal Sonship with God, and thus equality of nature with God. When we see the designation, “Son of God” in Scripture, the designation means (as the Jews well understood) equality with God as to deity and nature, it has little to do with the fact that He was manifest in the flesh. Again, the reactions of the Jews demonstrate their understanding of Christ’s claim to be Yahweh God in the flesh.

“equal” – isos (isoV) meaning equal, alike (in quantity, quality, dignity, nature, or conditions). Here, John tells us that the Jews believed Jesus was making Himself equal with God in nature, which means that He was claiming to be Yahweh in the flesh, which is why they were going about seeking a way to kill Him for blasphemy. In this verse, isos does not express so much likeness or identity, but rather the equality of dignity, divine will, and divine nature (TDNT:3: pg. 353).

The Holy spirit tells us in Genesis 1:26 that God made man in His image so that he is like God (for a specific purpose), but only as a copy resembles the original form – this copy has no equality of nature, meaning that it is not divine. Christ, however, is not just in the “image” or “likeness” of God as to being a mere copy of the original – His equality speaks of the very nature of God: sharing God’s nature of deity.

This is the meaning of the word rendered as “own” (“His own Father”); idios (idioV) means properly one’s own, private, particular, individual – they understood Jesus’ words to be that He alone was a child of God the Father. They understood the connotation because all Jews called themselves children of God, but Jesus singled Himself out as being a one, special, particular son of God of which class they could never enter into – equality with God.

If the Jews misunderstood Jesus on this point, it was open and easy for Him to deny it and to clear up the misapprehension. This is precisely what He does not do. On the contrary Jesus gives a powerful apologetic in defense of His claim to equality with the Father. The Jews were the best interpreters of their own language, and as Jesus did not deny the correctness of their interpretations, it follows that He meant to be so understood.

Therefore, we have clear cut evidence from Jesus’ own mouth that He not only claimed to be God in the flesh, but that His opponents understood full well that claim. Thus, the claim that Jesus never claimed to be God is demonstrated as a lie.


John 8:24
I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.


There are two main lines of argumentation here against the reading that Jesus is here claiming to be the Great “I AM” of Exodus 3:13-15: first, that there is supposed to be a pronoun “he” after “I AM” which is supposedly implied by the text. Second, that Jesus here means that He is the Messiah, not God in the flesh.

1. The Greek text does NOT have any words in the third person (he, she, it...) at all, not even one. Both ego eimi (I AM) are in the first person, and there is nothing in the text that gives us any indication that “he” is implied by the text...anywhere. Those who claim that the text implies “he” know nothing about Greek or its grammar. Then why, do some ask, do some translations insert “he” in the text? The translation boards’ explanation is that they added it in order to have the sentence make sense to the English reader – which is a very poor explanation and excuse.

2. In argument against the “I AM” statement of Christ meaning God in Exodus 3, some have put forward the blind beggar’s response in John 9:9 (“I am”), saying that surely this beggar was not claiming to be God in the flesh. Therefore, neither was Jesus in this and other verses, they claim. However, yet once again, Jesus did not make “I AM” a technical term like He did with “eternal life” (when it stands for one having covenant relationship with God); He simply used the same title for Himself that Yahweh did as a way of direct claim to deity.

When those who use this form of argumentation do so, they ignore Biblical principles of interpretation, particularly that of semantics and the context forming the intended meanings of words from the way they are used. It is obvious that the once blind beggar is not claiming to be God in the flesh, just as it is obvious to all who do not hold to biased Unitarianism that here Jesus does claim identity with God in using the “I AM” of Himself (as well as in other texts).

3. As it comes to the argument that Jesus means that we must believe that He is the Messiah, rather than that He is Yahweh God in the flesh – since other passages demonstrate that the Messiah would indeed be God in the flesh, the meaning that Jesus is God in the flesh is the same. Those who try that bait switch tactic shoot themselves in the foot. Further evidence of this is found in John’s last words (of chapter 20) in his gospel, in which he reiterates what Jesus says in this verse:



John 20:30-31
Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.


Again, the title “Son of God” is a direct claim to deity and equality with God, which the Jews recognized and was the reason that they fought so hard to put Him to death for what they perceived as blasphemy.
John here says that only by believing that Jesus was “the Son of God” (that is, divine in nature [John 1:1-3] ever much as Yahweh God was divine) can one have eternal life in His name.


John 8:58-59
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” So they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself from their eyes and went out of the temple.


1. Here Jesus makes a direct claim to being Yahweh God in the flesh, and the Jews understood full well His claim, because they took up stones to stone Him to death for what they perceived as blasphemy (making Himself equal with God).

2. Antichrists today, such as the unitarian groups, say that Jesus was not claiming to be God, and that He was not claiming to exist before Abraham did – both of which are lies. First, Jesus uses the “I AM” statement, which literally means “I exist.” The contrast here between genesthai (the entrance into existence of Abraham) and eimi (timeless being) is complete; the Jews heard Jesus say these words in the context in which He did, and understood perfectly that He was not just saying “I am,” but that He was saying “I have always existed.”

3. If Jesus had simply been stating “I am” the Messiah, or some other non-divine statement, then the Jews would not have picked up stones to kill Him for blasphemy – yet they did, which is prima facie evidence that they understood Him to say that He was God.

4. Some claim that Jesus only existed in the plan of God in eternity past, and that His “I AM” statements (along with John 1:1) addresses that existence as only in the mind of God; that nonsense is here dispelled with, in that something does not exist if it is only a figment of one’s imagination. Jesus does not here mean that He existed merely in the mind of God, but that He has existed eternally in eternity past...not just a spec of existence right before God created the creation in God’s mind and plan, but throughout eternity past as a divine personality. In other words, there is no sound logic to the claim made by unitarians that Jesus here says other than what He does say.

Furthermore, such people who make claims like this, fail to take the entirety of the context into consideration (because if they did, then their claims would backfire on them and invalidate their false doctrine). Again, speaking of the Jews’ reaction to what Jesus said, they understood full well what Jesus had just claimed, better than you or I can because they knew their language, rules of grammar, idioms, semantics of their day, etc...far better than those who claim that the Jews apparently misunderstood what Jesus said when He claimed that He was God.

Such people have a very low opinion of the veracity of Scripture and the Holy Spirit’s ability to be infallible in what He moved the writers of Scripture to say.




John 10:30-33*
“I and the Father are one and the same in essence.” Then the Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works have I done among you from the Father; for which one of them are you going to stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, “We are not going to stone You because of a good work that You have done, but because You, a man, blaspheme in claiming that You are God.”


Firstly, “one” (eis) is in the neuter, not the masculine. In the masculine it would mean a cardinal number, but in the neuter it carries the meaning of “one and the same” or, in this case, “one person.” It implies unity of essence, not merely unity in cause, will, or in power. Jesus is not here simply claiming that He and God are one in work or plan, but that He and the Father are one and the same person in essence and nature. He is saying that He is God in Yahweh.

Secondly, the fact that Jesus’ words here (“I and the Father are one”) was a claim of His deity and equality with God in nature and power, and the Jews understood full well that claim as evidenced by their reactions – they picked up stones to kill Him for what they considered blasphemy (which they had done before after other similar instances). When Jesus said that He and the Father were one, the Jews understood Him to be claiming equality with God, and – indeed – to being God in the flesh...they even voice their clear understanding of what He claimed.

Thirdly, when Jesus starts His discourse in answer to what they were about to do, He was not correcting their clear understanding of His claim – He was rebuking them because of their unbelief in His claim because He knew that they were acting out of hatred against Him. They did not simply not believe because they couldn’t – they chose not to believe in Him because they did not want to lose their positions of power.

Fourth, later in His discourse Jesus says, “He whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world,” He was further claiming pre-existence with God, another claim of deity but from another direction or point of view, as it were.

The Jew’s reactions are called upon by Jesus in verse 36, affirming that the statement “I and the Father are one and the same in essence” is a claim to deity, when He says, “because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?” Here, Jesus equates (as well they understood) that being one with the Father made Him the one and only unique Son of God, equal with the Father in essence. As we have examined earlier, the title “Son of God” is a direct claim to being equal with God, and hence, Yahweh God in the flesh.

"bro"...your glass is half empty, if that, when it comes to understanding simple Scripture.