In case you miss the Rapture

[Bethel]

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A real believer, is born again.
This is the "body of Christ".........all of them.....they are "Christ's Body"...."the Body of Christ".
None of these will be left behind, once Christ comes for His "Bride"
So, if you are here after the Rapture, its because you are a Christ Rejector, never born again, or you were water baptized by a Cult that lied to you and told you that the water saved you......that it washed away your sin.
It didn't...They lied, and you got left.

Listen to me..
Do you think That God had His Boy shedding blood on a TREE and DIE.... so that WATER can save you, and wash away your sin" ??

WAKE UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, in that case......
Here is what is going to happen to you.
You will have to take the Mark of the Beast, if you want to eat and have water and a place to sleep........as the "son of perdition" will be running the Global economy.

Don't want to take it? They you get martyr'd.
Thats it.
There is your choice.


Here is the part of the GRT TRB that is not taught very much....
Its this..
The Grt Trb starts, as the Time of the Gentiles ends.
So, in the time of the Gentiles, God has offered the "GIFT OF SALVATION< that is FREE to all who will BELIEVE.
See that?
THat is going to end, when the Grt Trb Starts, because the GRACE of GOD, will end, and you will have THIS.... 2nd Thessalonians 1:8-9.

So, all who are left behind, are in for a nightmare.......as you can't just "Believe" anymore.
You have to "endure to the END", and that is going to HURT.
You'll die, unless you take the mark, as that is your ENDURING.

It will be "faith + works", .........not Grace Through Faith, as you have it now.

Dont make the mistake and end up in the Grt Trib, as it is going to be terrible beyond compare once the "man of Sin" stops pretending to be "Christ" and the man of peace.
He is bringing Hell with Him reader, and you dont want to be there.

"now is the day....now is the accepted time".
"all that call on the Name of Jesus shall be SAVED".

"the will of God, is that you BELIEVE on JESUS< whom God SENT"

Jesus said...>"you must be born again".

Dont play with it......as God is not kidding.
This is REAL...... John 3:36

 

[Samson2020]

Daniel 12:35 "And some of them of understanding shall fall to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, EVEN TO THE TIME OF THE END: because it is yet for a time appointed."

Rev 6:9-11 The opening of the 5th seal
Rev 6:12-14 The opening of the 6th seal
compare the above with this-

Matthew 24:29 Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the
powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30- And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man.................31- And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to another.


Assuming you are still alive and waiting on a Rapture that does not occur when the tribulation period comes, most will lose their faith and take the mark, all because of
bad doctrine and misunderstood timing.
But as the time of this appears to still be at least 35 yrs out maybe some have time to correct their understanding.

 

[Bethel]

Daniel 12:35 "And some of them of understanding shall fall to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, EVEN TO THE TIME OF THE END: because it is yet for a time appointed."

Once the time of the Gentiles is over, the bride of Christ will be removed.
What is left on this earth is the Great Trib.
You dont want to be here.

Do this instead. "the will of God is that you believe in Jesus, whom God sent"..........as if you will do that, God will give you the new birth.
THe New Birth put you here......>"Seated in Heavenly Places in Christ"".......because you will have become...."ONE with God".
No person who is born again, will enter the Great Trib.

 

[Brother Paul]

Daniel 12:35 "And some of them of understanding shall fall to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, EVEN TO THE TIME OF THE END: because it is yet for a time appointed."

Rev 6:9-11 The opening of the 5th seal
Rev 6:12-14 The opening of the 6th seal
compare the above with this-

Matthew 24:29 Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the
powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30- And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man.................31- And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to another.


Assuming you are still alive and waiting on a Rapture that does not occur when the tribulation period comes, most will lose their faith and take the mark, all because of
bad doctrine and misunderstood timing.
But as the time of this appears to still be at least 35 yrs out maybe some have time to correct their understanding.

Yes. According to the Scriptures the dead on Christ and those Alive at the time are raptures at His COMING which is when the Anti-Christ is consumed. So the church IS here during his part of the trib period... After his part the Lord comes and we are caught up to meet Him as He descends.

 

[Samson2020]

No person who is born again, will enter the Great Trib.

Do you suppose that for the early Apostles and even Jesus Himself that they being born of the Spirit in any way missed out on their own personal tribulation?
And why would you not look forward to being tried of God as He only accepts those that He has chastened and corrected?

After all the Bible does say the thos

Yes. According to the Scriptures the dead on Christ and those Alive at the time are raptures at His COMING which is when the Anti-Christ is consumed. So the church IS here during his part of the trib period... After his part the Lord comes and we are caught up to meet Him as He descends.

This is correct as when He gathers the elect He is here to overtake the kingdoms of the world. And in doing so it appears that it will be one major bloody mess. As then will a man
be as rare as fine gold. Why? Because not many will still be alive after the takeover.

 

[Bethel]

Yes. According to the Scriptures the dead on Christ and those Alive at the time are raptures at His COMING which is when the Anti-Christ is consumed. So the church IS here during his part of the trib period... After his part the Lord comes and we are caught up to meet Him as He descends.

The Bride of Christ wont be on earth during the Grt Trib.
The next time the BOC is here, will be during the Millennial Reign, when the born again come back to Jerusalem with the Groom in the new bodies.

 

[Brother Paul]

The Bride of Christ wont be on earth during the Grt Trib.
The next time the BOC is here, will be during the Millennial Reign, when the born again come back to Jerusalem with the Groom in the new bodies.

No, the Church will be here during the Anti-Christ's reign just as the Scriptures tell us. Explore the term Parousia (Coming) in regards to Christ and you will see. Being a person originally TAUGHT that the rapture occurs before or at the beginning of the Anti-Christ's reign, I admit it was difficult for me to accept what was actually being said in the scriptures. Every time I read a passage I would automatically re-interpret it via the apologetic narrative I had been trained with. But even without going into too much depth it is really quite simple. For example when Paul says in 1 Thess. 4:

"15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord that WE (the Ekklesia not the Jews) which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

(note: by this alone we see that Paul is actually saying that the Church WILL be alive and remain UNTIL THE COMING - the parousia - and here is what will happen on that Day)

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

On that Day - the parousia - when He comes back...two things shall occur

a) those that died in Christ shall be resurrected, and
b) along with them those of US (again the "we") who are alive at this time will be raptured up to ever be with Him

But now look at what else happens at that same time, on that same Day:

2 Thess. 2:8 " and then shall that Wicked one be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming"

So at THE coming (parousia), that is when He comes again (and it is clear this is only once)....the same time as the Rapture described above....the Anti=Christ is destroyed.

Thus he is alive and doing his thing while "WE" (the Church) are still here! I know it is hard but all other passages about this Parousia event agree.

 

[Bethel]

The Bride of Christ wont be on earth during the Grt Trib.

That will never happen.

Also.....there are no born again in hell, and there are no Christ Rejectors in heaven.

 

[Brother Paul]

That will never happen.

Also.....there are no born again in hell, and there are no Christ Rejectors in heaven.

The bride of Christ will not be subject to God's wrath, but will suffer the reign of the Anti-Christ.

 

[Bethel]

The bride of Christ will not be subject to God's wrath, but will suffer the reign of the Anti-Christ.

That will never happen but i can twist some verses for you, to try to prove that deception, same as others that do it.
I know how.
But, its best to not use the NT to try to teach lies.

 

[Brother Paul]

That will never happen but i can twist some verses for you, to try to prove that deception, same as others that do it.
I know how.
But, its best to not use the NT to try to teach lies.

Without any twisting I just showed you what Paul said. Not what some claim that it means. The rapture occurs at the COMING and the A-C is destroyed by the brightness of His COMING. So your argument is not with me but with the word of God.

 

[Bethel]

Without any twisting I just showed you what Paul said. Not what some claim that it means. The rapture occurs at the COMING and the A-C is destroyed by the brightness of His COMING. So your argument is not with me but with the word of God.

You stated that Christ is coming back.
Then you added. or implied. (my paraphase) .>"and the born again are down here in the Grt Trib, waiting".

But Paul does not teach that stuff.
That would be you and your denomination.

 

[B-A-C]

@Bethel - who are the elect? Will there be saved people on the earth during the tribulation? If there are, will they part of "the church" body?

I apologize in advance for the capital letters. I don't capitalize them, I am copying them already capitalized from my Bible. ( The NASB capitalizes quotes from the OT )
There are primarily 3 passages in the NT the "rapture" comes from. The word rapture itself isn't in the Bible, but simply means "gather up" or "gather together". The 3 verses that talk about Jesus coming back and "gathering up" the church are...

Matt 24:29; "But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Matt 24:30; "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31; "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

If you're not one of the elect, you won't be raptured, but this doesn't happen until "after" the tribulation. This is repeated in Mark.

Mark 13:24; "But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT,
Mark 13:25; AND THE STARS WILL BE FALLING from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken.
Mark 13:26; "Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory.
Mark 13:27; "And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.

Again we see, only the elect will be raptured here. "After" the tribulation.

1Thes 4:14; For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus.
1Thes 4:15; For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
1Thes 4:16; For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Thes 4:17; Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

This verse doesn't say it will be "after" the tribulation, but it doesn't say it will be before either.

Rev 7:13; Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?"
Rev 7:14; I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Apparently, at least some saints, some of the church will be in the tribulation.
The question often arises, why would the church face the wrath of God... but it seems the saints will be protected from many of the plagues of the great tribulation, for example...

Rev 9:3; Then out of the smoke came locusts upon the earth, and power was given them, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Rev 9:4; They were told not to hurt the grass of the earth, nor any green thing, nor any tree, but only the men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.
Rev 9:5; And they were not permitted to kill anyone, but to torment for five months; and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings a man.

Who are these people still on the earth, with "the mark of God" on their foreheads, if they aren't the saints? Why are they still here if the church has been raptured?
However, that doesn't mean the saints won't face any persecution at all.

Rev 20:4; Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

If the church is already raptured, who are these people being beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus?

Rev 13:7; It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.

Who are these saints who the beast will overcome, if the church is already gone?

So there are a dozen verses that seem to support the church will go through the tribulation. Do you have any that say they wont?

The Bride of Christ wont be on earth during the Grt Trib.
The next time the BOC is here, will be during the Millennial Reign, when the born again come back to Jerusalem with the Groom in the new bodies.

A common teaching in some churches, but do you have any scripture to back it up?

 

[Brother Paul]

You stated that Christ is coming back.
Then you added. or implied. (my paraphase) .>"and the born again are down here in the Grt Trib, waiting".

But Paul does not teach that stuff.
That would be you and your denomination.

No! Paul says "we" which includes the Thessalonians (who are the born from above believers). The Church will be alive when He comes, and will be caught up. And Paul says when He comes the A-C will be destroyed. So Paul associates both events as happening when He comes. This IS exegesis NOT eisegesis (reading into).

 

[Bethel]

No! Paul says "we" which includes the Thessalonians (who are the born from above believers). The Church will be alive when He comes, (reading into).

Yes the Bride of Christ will be alive when the Rapture occurs......that is true.
How could we all be dead if only "some are in their graves" ...as Paul teaches.???

 

[Bethel]

@Bethel - who are the elect?

In the "time of the Gentiles", the Elect are all who are born again.

Faith Elects. (faith is counted as righteousness".. "Justification BY Faith"........see that ELECTiON ???????

= In the "time of the Gentiles".

This is the "Gospel of the Grace of God" that wont be in effect once the Great Trib starts., as there will be no need, as all the born again BRIDE, will be off the earth having already met Christ in the Clouds.........to receive the end of their Salvation = THE NEW BODY.

 

[Brother Paul]

Yes the Bride of Christ will be alive when the Rapture occurs......that is true.
How could we all be dead if only "some are in their graves" ...as Paul teaches.???

 

[Bethel]

That is correct.

Jesus is coming to get His Bride.
Not to marry her, as She is already "ONE" with Christ, .........and the NT teaches us that ........when "two have become one flesh" you have a marriage.
In this case, you have a Spiritual UNION.

So, the body of Christ, is the Bride of Christ........JOINED......>MARRIED......>"ONE WITH GOD">......"in Christ".


This is why the NT teaches you this verse.........>"As Christ IS.....so are the born again......in......this........world".

 

[B-A-C]

This is the "Gospel of the Grace of God" that wont be in effect once the Great Trib starts., as there will be no need, as all the born again BRIDE, will be off the earth having already met Christ in the Clouds.........to receive the end of their Salvation = THE NEW BODY.

Thank you for your response, I still see no scriptures.

 

[Bethel]

Thank you for your response, I still see no scriptures.

Its not going to help you.
See, posting verses, is just a game, unless you can rightly divide them.

You might have noticed....there are spiritual clowns who exit on forums, just to try to teach their 2 or 3 rabbit trail heresies, that they have been taught by their cult.

These people, will post more verses than a peacock has Tail Feathers, and then they say...."see there"..."look at all the verses i can cut and paste"....>"this proves im right".

so, im not that fool.

What i do, is post very simple Pauline Theology.
Thats what i do on forums.

Consider my Thread.
Its not designed to attract heretics who want to rant their "mid trib" fantasy.
Ok?
Read the THREAD..........Its Evangelistic.....Its about SOUL Winning.
Only a person who does not care about this at all, is going to try to drag the Thread into a debate about NOTHING THAT MATTERS.....B-A-C.