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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

The Christ is "GOD Come In The FLESH" HE came in a "BODY" that was prepared By HIS FATHER and he enter that BODY, The Body that was in a girl , who we call Mary, and not one time HE was less "GOD", even as He Came out between her legs, HE was GOD and 100 percent a Human being but still 100 percent Pure and HOLY SON of The LIVING GOD and never left His DIVINITY. " WHERE things are impossible with Man, but with GOD ALL things are Possible" :pensive: There is only 2 things He cannot do. He cannot Lie and HE cannot Deny Himself" "For GOD to DIE, HE would HAVE to DENY HIMSELF" Existence, and We all know HE cannot.:pensive: Although HIS Body died a violent death and HE felt every pain it was. But STILL He Was 100 % GOD. and 100% man. And His Human Body DID Die.:pensive: then on the Third DAY, He raise it up:pensive: He step, right back in. And Got UP! He did exactly what His Father told Him, to do and How to do it.
 
1. Why did Jesus tell you to pick up and take with you, your own cross,
what was the purpose of it?
When Jesus spoke those words, what did his audience think he meant by "take up your cross"? What did "cross" mean at that moment in time, before all the Christian nonsense got attached to the word?

"Take up your cross" == "Join the revolution"

Rhema
 
The law has no claim upon those for whom Christ died. The curse spent itself on our Redeemer. We are dead to the law. We are righteous, justified, guiltless, innocent in Christ Those Christ died for are dead to the law Rom 7:4
 
The law has no claim upon those for whom Christ died. The curse spent itself on our Redeemer. We are dead to the law. We are righteous, justified, guiltless, innocent in Christ Those Christ died for are dead to the law Rom 7:4
What frame of reference of what "law" are you referring too! we are not in ancient Biblical Israel, are you referring to Ancient Israel who GOD gave His Law too? and which LAW are you addressing? For The Gentiles God has never given Gentiles his LAW , which came into 3 headings.

But Jesus usher in a "New Covenant" and He gave New Commandment per-se HIM. and They are to be obeyed by His Bond slaves who HE purchase with His BLOOD> and Are to call HIM LORD for now HE has Become Their "MASTER" and They do not belong to themselves. For They was Purchase from The "BONDAGES of SIN" bought and paid for. For they where own by another.

The Temple of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6)BSB
"Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore glorify God with your body." [That is a Command] give to a slave!

( 1 Corinthians 7)BSB
"For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord’s freedman. Conversely, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ’s slave. You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men.":eyes:


And if anyone thinks they are free from The LAW of CHRIST he has been greatly deceived by The devil! If you do not feel Like JESUS is your "LORD & MASTER" and you are THE SLAVE! You been TRICK by The DEVIL and on your way to HELL! Happy!:eyes: a Place of "TORMENT" "Why call ME "LORD LORD" and DO nothing I tell you do! Get out of Here , I never knew you! My slaves know me and I know them.:eyes: Come get this imposter and tie him up and cast him into out darkness!:eyes:

Walking around here talking about the LAW do not have claim on you.
You might be right, "GOD" ain't got no claim on you. Sound like to me, you been talking to "Slue-Foot". Talking About: "The curse spent itself on our Redeemer" and you growing old every second! Hair falling out, teeth getting old, still have to use deodorant, tooth paste, and soap and pasting gas. but he ain't curse. and stinking like i do. not knowing he still corrupted and satisfied with the garments he has on. What if he don't take a bath! ............But He bless and "Highly Favor" but still stink! Would some one tell him, That body He occupy's is so curse you can smell it, form here in"Antarctica" on a cold day.:sob:

To remind some "GOD" is The LAW! GOD is The Resurrection, GOD is The LIFE, He is The Eternal "I AM"! " I AM The LAW" and "I AM" that "I AM"!

Alright do not grow no Horns on top of your Head. The little red ones. and start Puffing Smoke. "love enemies":eyes: And pray for those who you feel do not treat you right:eyes:
 
Christ’s Death Actually Saves

If the Lord Jesus died for absolutely everybody, then why are not all actually saved? Romans 6 makes it clear that those who are united to Christ in His death are dead to sin (6-7) and “alive unto God” (11), and will be raised bodily to glory (5). But many spend all their days “dead in trespasses and sins” (Eph. 2:1) and will rise in the “resurrection of damnation” (John 5:29). We can only conclude that they were not united to Christ in His death (i.e., He did not die for them), for if the reprobate were united to the Son of God in His death (i.e., if He died for them), they would die to sin and live unto God (Rom. 14:9; II Cor. 5:14-15).

Scripture teaches that both faith (Eph. 2:8-9; Phil. 1:29) and repentance (Acts 5:31; 11:18; II Tim. 2:25) are gifts of God’s grace. Faith and repentance are instances of “spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ” (Eph. 1:3). God’s blessings in Christ come through the cross (Rom. 8:32; Gal. 3:13-14). But “all men have not faith” (II Thess. 3:2) nor do all repent (Rev. 16:11). Thus faith and repentance were not purchased for everybody head for head on the cross and so the Saviour did not die for all. For Whom Did Christ Die? – CPRC
 
THE WORK OF CHRIST

Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. Isaiah 62:11

When I was a young man, the religious tradition in which I was raised spoke of “salvation” as a state which a man could attain by acting in his own free will to accept what CHRIST had done by HIS death on Calvary’s cross. It taught that if a man could be persuaded to “believe” and “receive CHRIST” then he could attain a standing or position known as “salvation”. Folks were urged to “get saved” as soon as possible so that in case they died they would be assured of a place in heaven where they could join all of the other neighbors and loved ones who had made similar “decisions” and gained heaven by their action of faith, avoiding the pit of hell in the process.

Though the work of CHRIST in dying on the cross was often spoken of, the true importance of what HE did was actually of secondary consequence since it was concluded that regardless of what HE had done on the cross, it made little difference if men did not “accept” it thereby making it effective in redeeming them. The basic concept which was taught was that CHRIST died for every individual on the face of the earth and had made the salvation of each one a possibility if they could just be persuaded to receive it and thereby gain its benefit; otherwise CHRIST had simply died in vain for all who did not believe.

While CHRIST’s work on the cross was said to be a payment for sin, yet the teaching was that no one was actually “saved” by it, only made “salvable”. The only sin that was left “unpaid for” was that of unbelief. So that by adding the work of faith to that which CHRIST did on Calvary this made a man saved. They said the only thing that could cause a man to go to hell was “unbelief.”

Therefore much time was spent and various methodologies adopted in order to influence men to exercise their “free will” and effect their own salvation by accepting HIM and making a profession of faith. They could even write the day and hour (in which they made this transaction) on a little card so if they ever began to doubt their “salvation” they could refer to the card and be assured. This scenario is played out in most churches and religious orders today with certain variations. Some require baptism in water as an act of obedience which washes away their sin, some expect that those who make such decisions to speak in a language unknown to men, some advocate that certain styles of dress be adopted, etc.

The list goes on but, in every case, the most important part of a man’s “salvation” is ultimately considered to be what “he does” since it is assumed that CHRIST has already done all that HE could do and has left this salvation up to men to either accept it or reject it. If that truly was the scenario that the LORD had displayed then no man would ever be saved, since the scripture clearly declares the deadness of men in their sinful state and says, “There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.” (Rom 3:11)

How different is the scriptural message concerning the “work of CHRIST”? HE came into the world in order to perform a specific work for which HE was ordained. As the angel told Joseph, “And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.” (Mat 1:21) “Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,” (1Pet 1:18-20)

CHRIST is the REDEEMER, HE has bought and paid for the salvation of every one of those whom HE loved from before the foundation of the world. HE has not left one stone unturned nor in any wise failed to do everything that was needed in order to secure the redemption, justification, and sanctification of every one of them. Their salvation depends, one hundred percent, on what HE has done for them. “But the salvation of the righteous is of the LORD: he is their strength in the time of trouble.” (Psa 37:39)

When you ask a true believer to describe his “salvation”, he only needs one word: CHRIST. “But Christ is all, and in all.” (Col 3:11) If he needs more then it is too much. “But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:” (1Cor 1:30) There is nothing lacking in that which CHRIST has performed. Not only has HE purchased the redemption of HIS people by paying their sin debt, but HE has imputed HIS perfect righteousness in keeping the law to their account. Not only that but HE has triumphed over death and become the “first fruits” of the resurrection, thereby assuring them that if they die they shall indeed live again.

In addition, HE has sent HIS SPIRIT into the world to lay claim to every one of HIS elect, and does draw them to HIMSELF in the appointed hour and does lead them from darkness into LIGHT. HE has also promised to return to this earth to receive that which is HIS at the last trump. “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.” (John 6:37-39)

The salvation of the sons of GOD is totally the “work of CHRIST” from beginning to end. “Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.” (Heb 12:2) “Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.” (Heb 9:12) It is a false “gospel” that declares anything less. This is why Paul said, “For I determined not to know any thing among you, save (i.e.; except) Jesus Christ, and him crucified.” (1Cor 2:2)

To declare that CHRIST performed a work of salvation for a man which is not sufficient to save him, apart from some action on the man’s part, is to preach no “salvation” (only its possibility) at all, and is to count the precious blood of CHRIST as shed in vain for many. It is to disregard the efficacy of the blood of the SON of GOD and to deny the prophecy of Isaiah, “He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.” (Isa 53:11)

The atonement of CHRIST, which is the basis of the Christian faith can only be viewed in three possible scenarios. Either, 1. HE paid the price for the sins of all men, therefore all men are “saved”., or 2. HE paid the price for the sins of all men but actually saved none, leaving the final act of “salvation” in their hands. or finally and truthfully, 3. HE actually accomplished the work which HE came into the world to perform which was to redeem an elect people which were chosen in HIM before the foundation of the world and does save them to the uttermost. The latter is indeed the “work of CHRIST” upon which all who have been given “faith” must alone rely. “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” (Joh 10:27-28)

Grace Gazette Volume 11 Issue 19
 
It all depends if Christ died for them or not. If Christ shed His blood for them they are right with God, but if not, they are not right with God and their sins will condemn the in the last day !
God desires all men to be saved and come into the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:4)
 
Are you kidding me ? You asking me what I believe ? Read the thread and you will find out what I actually believe.
It's a fool's game to debate with an article written by someone else. In that you've chosen to not state that you concur completely with what you copied and pasted, I've no option but to conclude that you're just here to post a polemic.

Thanks,
Rhema

(I guess "the following" wasn't true for you.)
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Christ’s Death Actually Saves:

Because those He died for resulted in their eternal redemption, it obtained t for them Heb 9:12

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Thats Salvation, the word redemption here means

a ransoming, a redemption
Usage: (in the Old Testament: ransoming from imprisonment for debt, or from slavery, release from national misfortune, etc.), liberation, deliverance, release. specifically, redemption from the penalty of sin

Redemption from the penalty of sin, which penalty is eternal death as Per Rom 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So redemption from the penalty of sin is the Gift of God by and through Christ by His death having obtained eternal redemption for us, which is eternal life from eternal death, which is Salvation ! In fact eternal redemption equates to that eternal inheritance the redeemed is called to Heb 9:15

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Eternal inheritance is equivalent to that eternal life in Rom 6:23
 
Christ’s Death Actually Saves:

Because those He died for resulted in their eternal redemption, it obtained t for them Heb 9:12


2 Co 5:14 For the love of Christ constrains us; because we thus judge, THAT IF ONE DIED FOR ALL, then were all dead.
15- And that HE DIED FOR ALL, that they which live should not henceforth Iive to themselves, but unto Him which died for them, and rose again."

Romans 5:18................the FREE GIFT came UPON ALL MEN to justification of life.

Romans 11:29 "For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance."
 
2 Co 5:14 For the love of Christ constrains us; because we thus judge, THAT IF ONE DIED FOR ALL, then were all dead.
15- And that HE DIED FOR ALL, that they which live should not henceforth Iive to themselves, but unto Him which died for them, and rose again."

Romans 5:18................the FREE GIFT came UPON ALL MEN to justification of life.

Romans 11:29 "For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance."
So you deny Christs death actually saves, or you teaching the heresy of universalism.
 
You said "Those He died for resulted in their eternal redemption."

I only gave quotes of exactly who He died for, and as stated by scripture that is ALL men.
2 Co 5:14 2 Co 5:15 as stated above.

Also giving scripture that God shed forth that free gift that leads to justification of life because of His death, and that the gift of God is without repentance, therefore He(God) will never
withdraw the gift.

You can call it heresy if you like but it's exactly what is stated in Romans 5:18. Adam brought sin and death that most all will experience, Jesus brought justification and life that ALL
will also experience.

1 Co 15:22 "As in Adam ALL DIE, even so in Christ SHALL ALL BE MADE ALIVE." 23- But EVERY MAN in His own order. This is saying that in order to step into that life one
must be in Christ, and at the same time it states that ALL will be in Christ. Just as ALL were born into Adam, so shall they be born again into Christ.
And this agrees with Romans 5:18. Both condemnation and life being decrees of God that no one except Adam and Jesus had anything to do with.
I do believe that you would agree that no one having known that to be born into Adam means to be eternally roasted in hell fire would be a choice that they would make. Did you
remember making that choice when God asked you?
On the other hand God promised life eternal before the world began and that promise was fulfilled unto ALL who participated in being an Adamite, through the
sacrifice of Gods Son. Thus Jesus became the Saviour of ALL, and in sending Jesus to do this, and sacrificing Him for our sin, God also is the Saviour of ALL.

Your vision is cut short in that in your mind you have to "ACCEPT Jesus", thus self righteousness in that "I accepted", a work!
No one can come to the Son except the Father call Him. No matter how many times your dunked in water etc... if your not called yet you will not come to the Son, much less
know the Father. But as we read earlier all shall be made alive in Christ, but EVERY MAN in his own order. God knows the order as He has created this plan since before
the world was formed and intends to see it through to completion. And in the end death is destroyed by life and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to
the glory of the Father. Since no man can say that Jesus is Lord and actually understand and mean it, except by the Holy Ghost, then at that point ALL will have entered into life
and 1 Co 15:22 will have been fulfilled. Also I would add that God would get no glory from lip service of a bunch of scared slaves saying Jesus is Lord trying to avoid hell fire.
 
Also giving scripture that God shed forth that free gift that leads to justification of life because of His death, and that the gift of God is without repentance, therefore He(God) will never
withdraw the gift.

This is the actual WHOLE statement.

Sure one can reject a gift, just as Saul rejected it until the Lord spoke directly to him. At that point he embraced his calling joyfully, and even worried that he might be a castaway after
preaching to others. It was only after he was shown what a great salvation was in front of him that he strove to obtain every promise laid before him.
Those who reject are just blinded to the truth for now as the Mystery of Iniquity continues to mature the firstfruits of the elect.
The blinders will be removed eventually.

What gift would you reject having never opened it? Wouldn't curiosity get the best of you some day? And that would be the calling of the Father!

I would also add that because of sin the decree of God was death! Has anyone you know of ever escaped that decree Yet?

And I would go back to 1 Co 15:22 which states:

"As in Adam ALL die, even so in Christ shall ALL be made alive."

If ALL scripture is given by inspiration of the Spirit of God, then this is truth and will be fulfilled in time, Gods time. I for one do believe this to be the word of God.

Your vision is cut short in that in your mind you have to "ACCEPT Jesus", thus self righteousness in that "I accepted", a work!

Again the WHOLE statement, and its intended point. "I accepted" is self righteousness, a work, when this is introduced it only blinds one of further revelation. After all
what do you possess, spiritually, that you did not receive as a man can receive nothing except it be given him from heaven? John 3:27

2 Th 3:2......for not ALL men have faith. Why? Because faith hasn't been given to them yet. They at present are still bound over to be vessels of wrath.

We who have faith from the Father and believe should understand that in entering the kingdom there is much tribulation. This tribulation that allows us entrance into the
kingdom would be impossible without those vessels fitted to wrath.
 
If ALL scripture is given by inspiration of the Spirit of God,
First, you did not indicate to whom you were replying, so now you've put me in the awkward position to presume.
(Especially since you seem to be talking to yourself.)

But no, the KJV translation of 2 Tim. 3:16 is the most pernicious, evil, misleading, purposeful mistranslation I have ever encountered.

And I would go back to 1 Co 15:22 which states:

"As in Adam ALL die, even so in Christ shall ALL be made alive."
In addition, the English language has a VERY big problem with the word "SHALL." At times it means "might." At times it means "will."

Any translation using the word "shall" introduces uncertainty that is not found in the initial Greek mss...

So, when reading the Greek text, does "shall" mean "might" or "will" ??

1Co 15:22 ωσπερ γαρ εν τω αδαμ παντες αποθνησκουσιν ουτως και εν τω χριστω παντες ζωοποιηθησονται

Furthermore... και (AND) εν (IN) τω (THE) χριστω (CHRIST).... Who are those "in the Christ" ??

And how would you interpret the following? "Those made alive will be all those in Christ."

Indeed, ALL are in Adam, but are ALL in Christ ??

Thanks
Rhema
 
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