God's gift of Tongues Are Not for Private Use

[Curtis]

The false nowadays tongue speaking is commonly called a “prayer language.” Those practicing the false tongue speaking believe they are speaking a prayer language, and that in this type of praying it is somehow deeper and more personal than praying with their native language with words they understand. However, that is not scriptural, and that even goes against the Word of God which says you will have a fruitless mind if you pray like that. Surely, a fruitless mind is not something one should be aiming for in personal prayer times.

1Co 14:13 Therefore, the person who speaks in an [unknown] tongue should pray [for the power] to interpret and explain what he says. (AMP)

A person who "prays" in an unknown tongue is speaking "mysteries" and if they want to know what they are saying they can ask God for interpretation if they want. Sometimes I ask for interpretation but most of the time I don't need to as I am being "edified" whether I understand it or not!

1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.


1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an [unknown] tongue, my spirit [by the Holy Spirit within me] prays, but my mind is unproductive [it bears no fruit and helps nobody].

Praying in tongues is my "spirit" praying by the "Holy Spirit" directly to God! Why should I do that?

Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.

Most believers know how to pray, but not all believers know what to pray for!

PC Nelson a Greek scholar says the words used "groanings that can not be uttered" means not in your regular normal speech. He went on to point out not only groanings but also praying in other tongues.

 

[Curtis]

That was to the Apostle

Jesus said these signs shall follow who?

 

[Curtis]

You think a fruitless mind is good?

What is better trusting in the Lord with all your "heart" or with your "understanding"?

 

[B-A-C]

The scripture was given to you. It is edifying just to know you received such an amazing gift as tongues, the real tongues. That is why it is edifying only to the tongues speaker. If the tongue speakers themselves don't know what they are saying, then their mind is fruitless. A fruitless mind is not good.

Do you have scripture that says "private use of tongues" is a sin? Thou shalt not speak in tongues privately?
Otherwise all of this, is just "fruitless" speculation.

1Cor 14:15; What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.
Eph 6:18; With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints,

We are told are prayers should be "in the Spirit". Whether alone or corporately.

 

[God's Truth]

I guess posting scriptures irrelevant to Mark 16 is to be expected from one who has no idea of the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the Bible evidence of speaking in tongues.

I already explained that was said to the apostles.

 

[God's Truth]

What is better trusting in the Lord with all your "heart" or with your "understanding"?

God gives understanding to those who obey. You are not obeying if you speak in a tongue and don't interpret.

 

[God's Truth]

Do you have scripture that says "private use of tongues" is a sin? Thou shalt not speak in tongues privately?
Otherwise all of this, is just "fruitless" speculation.

1Cor 14:15; What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.
Eph 6:18; With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints,

We are told are prayers should be "in the Spirit". Whether alone or corporately.

We are to pray with a fruitful mind not a fruitless mind.

 

[God's Truth]

1Co 14:13 Therefore, the person who speaks in an [unknown] tongue should pray [for the power] to interpret and explain what he says. (AMP)

Right.

A person who "prays" in an unknown tongue is speaking "mysteries" and if they want to know what they are saying they can ask God for interpretation if they want. Sometimes I ask for interpretation but most of the time I don't need to as I am being "edified" whether I understand it or not!

You are only edified because the real tongues is an amazing gift to have received, but it is not fruitful if you don't know what you are saying.

1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.


1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an [unknown] tongue, my spirit [by the Holy Spirit within me] prays, but my mind is unproductive [it bears no fruit and helps nobody].

Praying in tongues is my "spirit" praying by the "Holy Spirit" directly to God! Why should I do that?

Tongues has ceased. Even if you think you are speaking in tongues, you should still interpret what you are saying so your mind will benefit.

Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.

Most believers know how to pray, but not all believers know what to pray for!

PC Nelson a Greek scholar says the words used "groanings that can not be uttered" means not in your regular normal speech. He went on to point out not only groanings but also praying in other tongues.

Nowadays tongue speakers also falsely use the scripture Romans 8:26. Romans 8:26 says, “In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.” However, speaking in tongues is “words” and not groans. This scripture is about when we are weak and all we can do is groan, as when we are in great despair–then the Spirit intercedes for us to God, for we do not even have to speak words. The Spirit doesn’t intercede for us by groaning to the Father for us, but intercedes for us with words that we were too distraught to say.

 

[Curtis]

God gives understanding to those who obey. You are not obeying if you speak in a tongue and don't interpret.

Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Mat 13:15 For this people's heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.’

Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth, one confesses and is saved.

The problem is the human mind is NOT where spiritual understanding is known. It is NOT with the human mind where man trusts in the Lord, and it is NOT with the human mind a man believes and is saved!

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus said these signs shall follow who?

During the laying of the foundation, during the time the gospel was being preached and the scriptures were being written---the Prophets, Apostles, and Jesus laid the foundation, and God testified to what they said by allowing them to do signs and miracles.

The testimony was given, the sign was given, and the foundation has been laid.
The scriptures are finished. We have everything we need to know to lead us to eternal life.
No one can add to the Bible.
Tongues, prophecies, and new knowledge has ceased.

 

[Curtis]

During the laying of the foundation, during the time the gospel was being preached and the scriptures were being written---the Prophets, Apostles, and Jesus laid the foundation, and God testified to what they said by allowing them to do signs and miracles.

The testimony was given, the sign was given, and the foundation has been laid.
The scriptures are finished. We have everything we need to know to lead us to eternal life.
No one can add to the Bible.
Tongues, prophecies, and new knowledge has ceased.

That is all mental logical deduction from someone's fleshly brain that is the enemy of God!

Mar 16:17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues;

Signs follow anyone who "believes"

 

[God's Truth]

Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Mat 13:15 For this people's heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.’

Only the person who obeys gets understanding.

John 14:21 The person who has my commandments and obeys them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will reveal myself to him."

Psalm 119:100 I have more understanding than the elders, for I obey your precepts.

Proverbs 1:23 Repent at my rebuke! Then I will pour out my thoughts to you, I will make known to you my teachings.

Daniel 9:13 As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.

John 8:30 Even as he spoke, many believed in him. 31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth, one confesses and is saved.

That scripture says we have to believe Jesus' blood washes away the sins we confess and repent of doing.
We also have to call on Jesus.

Romans 10:13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

The problem is the human mind is NOT where spiritual understanding is known. It is NOT with the human mind where man trusts in the Lord, and it is NOT with the human mind a man believes and is saved!

You were taught wrong about the scriptures.

Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Mat 13:15 For this people's heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.’

Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth, one confesses and is saved.

The problem is the human mind is NOT where spiritual understanding is known. It is NOT with the human mind where man trusts in the Lord, and it is NOT with the human mind a man believes and is saved!

We get saved and understanding after we believe and obey.

 

[God's Truth]

That is all mental logical deduction from someone's fleshly brain that is the enemy of God!

Mar 16:17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues;

Signs follow anyone who "believes"

I am no enemy of God. You should be more careful how you judge another person. We can debate doctrines, but should be careful about condemning another, for with the measure you used will be measured to you.

 

[Curtis]

I am no enemy of God. You should be more careful how you judge another person. We can debate doctrines, but should be careful about condemning another, for with the measure you used will be measured to you.

Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The physical fleshly mind in your head is the "enemy" of God! Why? Because it is not subject to the law of God
That means it can not receive or understand the spiritual things of God. Why? because it is physical, not spiritual.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth, not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned.

People who think tongues have passed away or the signs that Jesus said would follow those who believe have also past away is because somebody in their carnal fleshly logical mind said so because anything else sounds like foolishness to them!

 

[God's Truth]

Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The physical fleshly mind in your head is the "enemy" of God! Why? Because it is not subject to the law of God
That means it can not receive or understand the spiritual things of God. Why? because it is physical, not spiritual.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth, not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned.

People who think tongues have passed away or the signs that Jesus said would follow those who believe have also past away is because somebody in their carnal fleshly logical mind said so because anything else sounds like foolishness to them!

The believers in the Bible times who spoke in tongues, they spoke in tongues supernaturally. The believers who supposedly speak in tongues nowadays, they speak gibberish and believe God turns their gibberish into supernatural language, and that is a false doctrine.

 

[Curtis]

The believers in the Bible times who spoke in tongues, they spoke in tongues supernaturally. The believers who supposedly speak in tongues nowadays, they speak gibberish and believe God turns their gibberish into supernatural language, and that is a false doctrine.

You do know speaking against what the Holy Spirit does in the lives of believers is not a good thing to do?

 

[God's Truth]

You do know speaking against what the Holy Spirit does in the lives of believers is not a good thing to do?

You do know that falsely judging a chosen of God's is a bad thing, don't you?

 

[God's Truth]

You do know speaking against what the Holy Spirit does in the lives of believers is not a good thing to do?

You have already done that.

 

[Waggles]

We are to pray with a fruitful mind not a fruitless mind.

No - there is no scripture that condemns praying in the Holy Spirit.
As for you please feel free to restrict your prayers to the smallness of your carnal mind.
But for me as a true worshipper I shall worship my Father in heaven (who is spirit) in spirit and truth.

 

[Waggles]

That was to the Apostles.

Really !!
Mark 16:15 And he said to them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation.
- and in response to this preaching and witnessing -
16:16 Who hath believed and is baptized shall be saved; but who hath disbelieved shall be condemned.
16:17 And these signs shall follow them that have believed: in my name shall they cast out demons, speak with tongues;
16:18 and in their hands they shall take up serpents, and if they drink aught deadly, it shall in now wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Still happening buddy, and all the more so in these very last of last days.