God's Truth to Give Gospel Presentation

[GodB4Us]

We don't have the Apostles going around preaching the truth anymore. They have gone to the city in heaven.

There are no more new testament churches where we get visits from the Apostles, and letters and books to share that were written by them and other eye witnesses to the Lord.

The Bible is finished and we have the letters and books in our possessions.


Figure it out for themselves?
No.
They read what Jesus says to do and they do it, then Jesus will become their Teacher.

When I wanted God's Truth and not some man's truth, for the denominations are many, I ended up searching for God's Truth in the Bible, and finding God's Truth by doing what Jesus says to do in the Bible.
We don't find God's Truth by joining a church and studying what their pastors say.
We find God by getting Jesus' teachings in the Bible and doing what he says.
That is how we search and find.

Only Jesus can save us, and he tells us who he saves and why.

WHAT DO THEY NEED JESUS FOR?!!!
Because of Jesus, we can be reconciled to God, which means we can be forgiven and made perfect and holy and placed in the heavenly realms with Him and God Himself live in our heart.

I have salvation now, and I work out my salvation getting rid of sins that I did before I was saved.
I am no baby Christian, so there are no more sins as before to work out.
Some people have a harder time and take longer.


We have to trust God's Word. We have to believe what He says and then just do it.
A person gets understanding after believing and obeying.


You sound confused and are claiming the scripture is contradicting what it says.
They obeyed to get saved, and they continue to obey after they are saved.

You think Paul is doing evil. You don't understand that scripture.
Paul is explaining that Jesus delivers him from all the evil others are doing to him, such as attacking him, having arrested and beat...
Paul says that he will be delivered from all the evil that people do to him, and that he will die and be in heaven after his death of his body.

There is a new law. Jesus' teachings are the new law. What Paul and all the New Testament scriptures teach is the new law.
We have to do what Jesus says, he is the Way.

I believe you are mixing discipleship with salvation since we need Him in us so we can be in the race as well as running that race, so let us try this.

You look at Chad's presentation of the gospel to sinners at How do I accept Jesus as my Savior?

And then look at Paul's presentation of the gospel in the OP of this thread.

Now. after reading both of them, how would you present the gospel of Jesus Christ to sinners in a world that has been telling them that homosexuality, fornication, and masturbation is okay & normal? Where is your list of sins for them to know that they need to repent from ALL sins in order to get the Holy Ghost? And why is your insistence not seen in Chad's gospel presentation nor Paul's presentation for any sinner to get the Holy Ghost other than by believing in Him?

I believe your emphasis on sinners to repent from all sins is not where the sinners' hope should be on but on Jesus Christ to deliver them from their bondage to sin and to death.

 

[God's Truth]

I give thanks to the Lord for your patience in dealing with me as I thank the Lord for the patience I have in return, but you should consider & be able to understand from my point of view that there is nothing to say that the obeying is by believing in Jesus Christ.

There IS nothing to say that obeying is by believing in Jesus Christ ALONE.
No one is saved by believing alone.
You aren't moved by Jesus' words, for I gave you scriptures that PLAINLY say YOU ARE BLESSED IF you obey, you are a family member IF you OBEY, you are a friend IF you obey, and a disciple IF you obey.

But what do you do, you go on with your own narrative, which is against the words of God Himself.

Luke 11:28 He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."

Matthew 12:50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

John 15:14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

John 8:31 Then Jesus said to those Judeans who had believed him, "If you continue to follow my teaching, you are really my disciples


You don't believe Jesus' words and do what he says.
You go against his words and say faith alone.


Jesus: you are blessed if you obey God's word:
You: no, I only have to believe.

Jesus: if you obey my teaching you are my family member.
You: No way, I only have to believe, I know that is what you really meant.

Jesus: you are my friend if you do what I command.
You: you know you don't mean it because you say elsewhere to believe.

Jesus: if you obey my teaching you are really my disciple.
You: no, save me first for just believing and then I will be your disciple.

 

[God's Truth]

Let's look at the 2 greatest commandments under the New Covenant for abiding in Him as His disciples.

1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

When I look at the 2nd commandment and find it difficult to love my enemies, and yet this is what Jesus is asking me to do and so then I go to the first commandment and believe in Him that He will supply the love I need to do this.

It isn't difficult to obey Jesus if you believe God and want to obey Him.

That is why I believe it is written simply the just shall live by faith. I used to look to myself in doing the best I can in keeping my commitment to make Jesus Lord of my life and failed because no matter how much the spirit was willing, he flesh was weak and therefore what is impossible for man, is possible with God but guess what?

A person doesn't receive the Holy Spirit unless they obey God.

If I cannot do overcome recurring sins even though Jesus Christ was in me earlier before I was led astray to make a commitment to make Jesus Lord of my life, and that was when it got hard because I was doing the best I can and when failing, I turn to Him for forgiveness and help, and then like an idiot, I go back to my religious flesh in doing the best I can out of appreciation to Him in keeping that commitment to make Jesus Lord of my life. Like a yo yo, a repeating cycle of using God's grace to sin in trying to keep a commitment until Jesus had set me free to rely on Him all the time thereby getting to know Him and the power of His resurrection when I see myself following Him a whole lot better than I was by doing the best I can in keeping that commitment.

That doesn't make sense. You are saying you heard the gospel of truth before about repenting of your sins and dying to the sins of the world and having faith that Jesus washes you clean, and you called on Jesus to save you, but you never received the Holy Spirit, but you did when you called obeying Jesus sin?

God only accepts people and saves them when their heart is right.
We are not to give up if we aren't saved yet, but we are to continue to do what Jesus says and wait on him.

Plus, there was a woman I used to work with that had believed she had to clean up her life first before coming to the Lord to be saved, and I told her she can come to Him as she is and He will save her from her sins. She did not believe me but later on, whomever the Lord used to confirm the word to her, the next time I saw her the joy of the Lord was in her face and she was so happy. Obviously the Lord forgave her and delivered her form whatever sins she was troubled with.

If you told her she doesn't have to obey and that she just had to believe, then you taught her wrong.

Now I know some sin addicts may be delivered right away while others testify that He helps them everyday in not giving in to temptations and leading them away to do good things instead, even I can testify that to my thoughts, and so that is Jesus Christ working in or lives as the Good Shepherd He is and not just as our Saviour for believing in Him to be saved.

There are so many addicts of all kinds that I know who believe they only have to obey by believing, and they have deceived themselves, and their blood is on the heads of those who say we only have to believe and not crucify our sinful nature with Christ and live to please him.

Paul is afraid that some of the Corinthians aren't really saved because they did not repent of their sins.

2 Corinthians 12:21 I am afraid that when I come again, my God may humiliate me before you, and I will grieve for many of those who previously sinned and have not repented of the impurity, sexual immorality, and licentiousness that they have practiced.

I dare say is this, there are some sinners in the world that tried to stop sinning; even religious ones like Paul when he was under the law in doing the best he can to keep the law, but failed as Romans 7th chapter is all about.

That is because you don't understand the scriptures.
You don't understand the scriptures because God says He gives understanding to those who obey Him, and you go by a preacher who told you only believe.

Paul was speaking about those under the law who did NOT have faith in God. The old law was not based on faith. Some Jews had faith and some did not. Those who did not have faith had a hard time with the law.

Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith:

So when you preach the gospel to sinners, you better tell them that Jesus can deliver them from their sins and the works of the devil in their lives that is destroying their lives because Jesus Christ can help them to repent from all sins on a daily basis whether they sin, ask for forgiveness and help not to do it again

You don't sound like you know what it is like to obey and give up any sin. That is just how you sound to me. Doesn't sound like you know the power of obedience in doing what God says.

or when He leads us away from temptation as well as putting away any provision for the flesh or thoughts that are weights that causes us to sin.

You are the one who better tell them the truth that they have to repent of their sins and have faith and call on him to save them, and that if they are not saved right away, they need to keep obeying and make their heart right and wait for him, because there is nothing more important than being saved, and they have to know that.

I'm not against living a life of repentance

Living a life of repentance? You mean sinning every day, feeling bad for it, but keep doing it anyway, but feeling forgiven? That is not one overcoming.

when I see that as discipleship or running that race but they have to be saved first with Jesus Christ in them in order to get in that race & be able to run that race & all that is required is to believe Him.

Faith alone is dead and can't save anyone. You chose to go against the words of God, who says blessed if you obey, and a disciple, family member, and friend if you do what he says. What does Jesus say? He says to repent of your sins or perish.

 

[God's Truth]

It referred to John the Baptist but it did not touch on what his water baptism was for when the majority of those verses was about how the Word of God, Our Creator, became flesh and dwelt among us.

Of course it is about those who know that John the baptizer preached repent of sins and have faith in Jesus.
Even the gospel that Peter spoke to Cornelius and his household that they knew of John the baptizer!

And if that what you say was truly applicable, then it would be of the flesh and of the will of man because they would have to repent from all sins first as you claim in order to be saved, but John 1:12-13 refutes that.

We have to want to be saved and we can obey and repent of our sins. You are in the false Calvin/Luther teachings.

So there is no way you can apply John the Baptist's water baptism as necessary for salvation nor can you say water baptism in Jesus's name is necessary for salvation when believing in Him is how they get the remission of sins permanently as saved for why John the Baptist's water baptism of repentance for the remission of sins is only referring to sins past committed since his water baptism, thus not saved yet.

It is about repenting of sins, to DYING to the sins of the world, and rising up to live a new born again life living to please him.

You preach against that.

I gave you many scriptures that say we are to die to the sins of the world.

You go against every thing Jesus teaches and say to just believe.

Habitual sinners that try to quit sin on their own will see it as a gauntlet in beating themselves up in trying to quit sin on their own and failing.

They have to repent of those sins and call on Jesus to help them.
A person has to obey and become as a little child and confess and tell Jesus they do not want to do their sins anymore.
There are more sins they are doing besides addiction.
To say no one can obey anything is just not truth.

They will hear the devil accusing them of not trying hard enough or that they are Jeckyl and Hyde and can never stop sinning,

We have to resist the devil and submit to God. God tells us what to do and we have to do it.

but when they hear of our hope in Jesus Christ not only for eternal life by believing in Him but for deliverance from sin's dominion over our lives daily? That is them hoping & believing in Jesus Christ to be saved.

Faith alone is dead.

Erring believers use that as meaning communion when in fact Jesus has been telling them how to receive that bread of life that gives life to the world and that is by coming to & believing in Jesus Christ, but He pointed out that even after telling them that, they still did not believe Him.

We have to obey Jesus' words that is how we eat him.
No eat no life.
You teach we have life without eating.

So how does one obey His words that gives life to the world? By believing His words that by coming to & believing in Him is how they have eternal life. That is how we receive the bread of life by believing Him & His words.

You go against Jesus.

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
John 8:51 Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death."

 

[God's Truth]

God says obey to have life.
You say only believe to have life.
Jesus says DRINK AND EAT.
You say drink only.

John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
John 8:51 Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death."

 

[God's Truth]

I believe you are mixing discipleship with salvation since we need Him in us so we can be in the race as well as running that race, so let us try this.

Can't be a disciple without obeying.

You look at Chad's presentation of the gospel to sinners at How do I accept Jesus as my Savior?

Oh you trying to throw in the owner to debate for you to try to crush me for having a different belief?

And then look at Paul's presentation of the gospel in the OP of this thread.
Now. after reading both of them, how would you present the gospel of Jesus Christ to sinners in a world that has been telling them that homosexuality, fornication, and masturbation is okay & normal?

Tell them it is sin according to God.

Where is your list of sins for them to know that they need to repent from ALL sins in order to get the Holy Ghost?

It is in the Bible.

And why is your insistence not seen in Chad's gospel presentation nor Paul's presentation for any sinner to get the Holy Ghost other than by believing in Him?

You aren't right in the heart. It is obvious what you are doing.

I believe your emphasis on sinners to repent from all sins is not where the sinners' hope should be on but on Jesus Christ to deliver them from their bondage to sin and to death.

Jesus' words are Spirit and life. Your words are dead faith.

 

[GodB4Us]

I reckon if any one else has questions for you, that is your gospel presentation which is by the will of the flesh and by the will of man to repent from all sins first before getting saved; but is it the Good News to man; the "free gift of eternal life" in Jesus Christ our Lord? I'm not seeing it.

Does any one else see it in God's Truth gospel presentation?

 

[God's Truth]

I reckon if any one else has questions for you, that is your gospel presentation which is by the will of the flesh and by the will of man to repent from all sins first before getting saved; but is it the Good News to man; the "free gift of eternal life" in Jesus Christ our Lord? I'm not seeing it.

A person has to want to get saved.
Jesus tells us how.
We have to want him more than anything and anyone.

Does any one else see it in God's Truth gospel presentation?

 

[GodB4Us]

A person has to want to get saved.
Jesus tells us how.
We have to want him more than anything and anyone.

A person has to believe to get saved by God.

How does a sinner get saved by Jesus Christ? By believing in Him as their Saviour.

The simplicity of the gospel.

Discipleship in running that race begins immediately afterwards for why His disciples are to disciple new believers by teaching them everything He commanded them & the point of Him saying Lor He is with us always is to assure them that He will help them right along in following Him. Now what does that take for Him to be our Good Shepherd as it di for Him to be our Saviour? To believe Him. is it any wonder why the just shall live by faith in Jesus Christ & all His words to us?

 

[God's Truth]

A person has to believe to get saved by God.

belief alone is dead.
A person has to want to get saved and do what the Way says to do to get saved.

How does a sinner get saved by Jesus Christ? By believing in Him as their Saviour.

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

The simplicity of the gospel.

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Discipleship in running that race begins immediately

You can't even be saved without obeying first.

afterwards for why His disciples are to disciple new believers by teaching them everything He commanded them & the point of Him saying Lor He is with us always is to assure them that He will help them right along in following Him.

When a person is saved, Jesus lives in them and puts them in him.
Jesus doesn't live in someone who didn't repent of their sins.

Now what does that take for Him to be our Good Shepherd as it di for Him to be our Saviour? To believe Him. is it any wonder why the just shall live by faith in Jesus Christ & all His words to us?

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

 

[GodB4Us]

To the readers; James was taking about how the church was sharing their faith in God to provide TO the poor without leading by example to the poor for why the church's faith in God's providence was dead in the eyes of the poor that the church's faith in God's Providence will not profit the poor nor save the poor from the elements and starvation.

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

So if you share your faith in God to provide with the poor, you should lead by example TO the poor by helping the poor with their immediate needs that were about to perish from the elements & starvation.

James was never talking about faith in Jesus Christ for salvation which is without works because it is by believing in Jesus Christ is why God is pleased to save those that believe.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.... 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

 

[God's Truth]

To the readers; James was taking about how the church was sharing their faith in God to provide TO the poor without leading by example to the poor for why the church's faith in God's providence was dead in the eyes of the poor that the church's faith in God's Providence will not profit the poor nor save the poor from the elements and starvation.

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

So if you share your faith in God to provide with the poor, you should lead by example TO the poor by helping the poor with their immediate needs that were about to perish from the elements & starvation.

James was never talking about faith in Jesus Christ for salvation which is without works because it is by believing in Jesus Christ is why God is pleased to save those that believe.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.... 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

You are wrong, for the poor of this world isn't the only righteous act spoken of in James!
You are trying desperately to make your faith alone false doctrine be true by distorting James.

James 2:22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.

Is that about the poor? No.



Faith alone without any right action does not save. Apostle James says such faith is DEAD.

Many denominations call that dead faith ‘saving faith’.

It is clear, faith alone isn't the most important faith ever known; it isn't how to be saved---that kind of faith IS DEAD.

Faith that saves is alive by right action.

The only time ‘faith alone’ is mentioned in the Bible, it is to tell us what kind of faith not to have.

James 2:24 You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone

James 2: 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.


Was that about feeding the poor? No.


Even the demons believe and do something, they shudder.
See James 2:19.

Is that about the poor? No.

25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?

Is that about feeding the poor? No.



26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

The preaching of the cross is preaching Jesus died for our sins. You preach we don't even have to know what are sins are.

 

[Rhema]

I do not want a rebuttal. I would like to know how you would present the gospel to sinners today.

Just imagine addressing a bunch of sinners that church members had brought into church to hear the gospel or imagine being a street preacher even. How would you preach the gospel to sinners today?

Why should the manner in which the Gospel is preached be any different than that which Jesus used in his time?

(Matthew 4:17 KJV) From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.​

Are you saying that the Gospel that Jesus preached isn't good enough for today? (Serious question...)

Rhema

(From what I know of "church members" today, there's not that much difference from those "bunch of sinners" of which you speak.)

 

[Rhema]

How do you know if you are not confusing discipleship which is required after salvation in living that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ??

What is a "reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ" if not discipleship?

( I think the answer is - "dead." )
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One cannot confuse the same thing with itself. This strange doctrine of trying to sever "salvation" from "discipleship" is a capricious distinction that first, doesn't exist, and second shall lead many into a deadly sense of false salvation without αξια της μετανοιας εργα πρασσοντας

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Those who received Him did so by believing in Him, even in His name.

There is a rather bizarre dichotomy in American English whereby "knowing" / "believing" something can be severed from the ability to do a thing.

Americans will stipulate that a person can "know" medicine without being able to practice (or do) doctoring. They recognize a difference between a kind of academic or "head" knowledge and practical experience. This is not true in French, nor is it true in Koine Greek. In these two languages, if one cannot do a thing, then one literally cannot state that one knows or believes a thing. The concept of "knowing about" cannot be severed from the "ability to do" - as a matter of language.

In Koine Greek, there is no difference between "believing" a thing, and "doing" a thing. Were one even able to explain such a difference to Hellenistic Jew 2,000 years ago (as I said, it is linguistically impossible) it would surely be viewed as absurd.

Now it's almost impossible to explain to an American that one cannot sever believing from doing - that they are one in the same thing - since words exist to express such a concept. But to many people around the globe, Americans are insane. This may be one reason why.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Huh? Did you just tell them to go read the Bible? I do not believe Paul said that in his gospel presentation.
More emphasis on the sinner to go read the Bible and figure it out for themselves.

(Acts 2:42 KJV) And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.​

Whether written or oral, did they not continue steadfastly in the Apostles' Doctrine? And is that something different than what you would call the Bible?

But in truth, just what is so hard to figure out?

(Matthew 5:43-44 KJV) Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;​

GB4U, that's not hard to figure out. It might be hard to do (using human willpower)... but not "figure out."

And neither is this:

(Matthew 6:9-15 KJV) PRAY !! Our Father which art in heaven, ... forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.... Amen. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.​

That's not hard to figure out either. But does one have faith in that? Or does one have faith that a sacrifice must be given to God (as taught by Moses) to pay for sin?

(Acts 13:38-39 KJV) Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.​

"Through this man... not Moses..." (and remember, to believe means to do... it's one in the same concept).

Ain't hard to figure out at all.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

That is why I believe it is written simply the just shall live by faith.

The Textus Receptus actually says "the just shall live by THE faith."

no matter how much the spirit was willing, the flesh was weak

Most of the time when Paul says "the flesh" he means Judaism, as in the flesh of the foreskin. You say that one's faith should be in "believing" unto salvation, but the Jew has his faith in Circumcision for his salvation.

So yes, Judaism is weak. I recall the phrase "beggarly elements," a reliance upon the circumcision of the flesh, rather than the circumcision of the heart.

I go back to my religious flesh in doing the best I can

Again, not what Paul meant by "flesh," although I can appreciate the extrapolation since Judaism does indeed depend upon human willpower. But are you sure you're not confusing "discipleship" with salvation?

until Jesus had set me free to rely on Him all the time

Yet isn't that calling upon the name of the Lord? And who is doing that if not you? And if you (finally) are doing that, is it not obedience to that which you were commanded to do?

so that is Jesus Christ working in or lives as the Good Shepherd He is and not just as our Saviour for believing in Him to be saved.

One might just as well say "So that is Jesus Christ working in or lives as the Good Shepherd He is and not just as our Saviour for obeying Him to be saved."

One does not "let go and let God." Rather, one lets God help to grab hold.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

I reckon if any one else has questions for you, that is your gospel presentation which is by the will of the flesh and by the will of man to repent from all sins first before getting saved; but is it the Good News to man; the "free gift of eternal life" in Jesus Christ our Lord? I'm not seeing it.

Does any one else see it in God's Truth gospel presentation?

Yes.

But I could also say that you seem to be presenting a nice shiny free gift to a beggar or street person without there being any need (or want) for that person to get cleaned up, as if all that was necessary was for them to stand still and POOF, magically the person becomes clean. If I hand the beggar new clean robes, wouldn't he have to change himself? Or do angels suddenly appear?

I'm not trying to be combative, but from my perspective, you've whitewashed all need for and reference to obedience. Yet as I read your post, it wasn't until you started to OBEY the command of Jesus to rely upon him, that things started to improve.

There is indeed a great difference between obeying Christ and obeying the Law - else Jesus would not have said this:

(Matthew 11:28-30 KJV) Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.​

He did not say that there is no yoke, nor burden.

Rhema

 

[God's Truth]

That is why I believe it is written simply the just shall live by faith.

You have no idea what that means.

The just shall live by faith.

The old law had the purification works of the law for the people to do to be just (justified) before God.

The people in the old law had to work at cleaning/purifying/justifying themselves.

They lived by those works.

The works of the law are these:


The Burnt Offering; The Grain Offering; The Fellowship Offering; The Sin Offering; The Guilt Offering; Dietary Laws; Purification After Childbirth; Cleansing From Infectious Skin Diseases; Cleansing From Mildew; Discharges Causing Uncleanness; The Day of Atonement; Rules for Priests; The Sabbath; Firstfruits; The Passover and Unleavened Bread; Feast of Weeks; Feast of Trumpets; Feast of Tabernacles; Oil and Bread Set Before The LORD; the Sabbath Year; The Year of Jubilee; Circumcision.

The people had to live every day by keeping to those cleanliness works.

However, now through our faith in Jesus' blood cleaning/purifying/justifying us...that is how we live---that we are clean and purified by his blood.

It doesn't mean we don't have to obey God anymore, or to obey God now only means have faith/believe in Him, it MEANS WE DON'T have to get circumcised in the flesh and sacrifice animals and observe specials days and adhere to a special diet anymore.

We still have to obey God and repent of our sins, we just don't have to do the works of the law to clean our own flesh. Jesus cleans us now, inside and out, just by our faith that his blood does this.

 

[GodB4Us]

Why should the manner in which the Gospel is preached be any different than that which Jesus used in his time?

(Matthew 4:17 KJV) From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.​

Are you saying that the Gospel that Jesus preached isn't good enough for today? (Serious question...)

Rhema

(From what I know of "church members" today, there's not that much difference from those "bunch of sinners" of which you speak.)

Thye problem here is.. does Jesus believe sinners are capable to repent from all sins when sin has dominion over their lives? No. So what is Jesus calling believers to repent from?

We look at how repenting from unbelief by believing in Him after His ascension which is after His crucifixion is how we are born again of the Spirit and thus saved.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

So the problem here is that many believers are not actually seeing what Jesus is calling sinners to repent from and that is to repent from unbelief because it is by believing in Him is how we are saved; the Good News to man.

After we are saved, then we can live a life of repentance from all sins now that we have been reconciled to God by Jesus Christ, and therefore we can live that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily so that we may bear fruit as His disciples and that our joy may be full.

One has to be saved by Jesus Christ to be in that race, let alone to be able to run that race by faith in Jesus Christ.