Did you receive the gift of the Holy Spirit by works, or by faith?

[Waggles]

Even if the people didn't speak in what sounded like real other languages---IT WAS STILL HEARD BY OTHERS IN THEIR REAL EARTHLY LANGUAGES.

Yes this is the first manifestation of the gift of interpretation.
120 people all speaking a dozen different languages at the same time and yet the crowds outside were able to distinguish clearly their own appropriate language all at the same time.
Yes think about that for a moment.

 

[Waggles]

The SIGN OF TONGUES WAS FOR THE JEWS.

Nonsense as per usual from you.
Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision that believed were amazed, who came with Peter, because that on the nations also was poured out the gift of the Holy Spirit.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper regions came to Ephesus, and found certain disciples:
6 And when Paul had laid hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, when the Holy Spirit is come upon you: and ye shall be my witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa and Samaria, and unto the uttermost of the earth.

 

[God's Truth]

Yes this is the first manifestation of the gift of interpretation.
120 people all speaking a dozen different languages at the same time and yet the crowds outside were able to distinguish clearly their own appropriate language all at the same time.
Yes think about that for a moment.

You seem like a nice enough person, Waggles, even though you don't agree with me. I couldn't keep believing in tongues after a family member asked me to explain it and I looked to the scriptures and saw that it ceased.
The people who heard in their language, they still heard in their earthly language. Think about that for a moment. They heard in their earthly language. They didn't hear in gibberish. Think about it more?

 

[God's Truth]

Nonsense as per usual from you.

WHAT? LOL

No nonsense from me.

The sign was to the Jews. I gave you Scriptures that prove that.

You didn't see that?

Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision that believed were amazed, who came with Peter, because that on the nations also was poured out the gift of the Holy Spirit.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

THE DISPERSED JEWS heard them in their DIFFERENT EARTHLY languages.

Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper regions came to Ephesus, and found certain disciples:
6 And when Paul had laid hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, when the Holy Spirit is come upon you: and ye shall be my witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa and Samaria, and unto the uttermost of the earth.

And?

 

[Waggles]

The sign was to the Jews. I gave you Scriptures that prove that.

You are blind to the truth of scripture because you place your own personal doctrine on Christian discipleship above the word of God.
I believed scripture and prayed to Jesus for his truth and he filled me with the Spirit of God and I spoke in tongues.
No Jews were present at the time.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Faith ALONE IS DEAD and CAN'T save ANYONE---so says Jesus!

Faith and work are the two sides of the same coin, one cannot exist without the other. Paul and James just focused on different aspects, they complement each other.

 

[God's Truth]

Faith and work are the two sides of the same coin, one cannot exist without the other. Paul and James just focused on different aspects, they complement each other.

They are not the same.

 

[God's Truth]

You are blind to the truth of scripture because you place your own personal doctrine on Christian discipleship above the word of God.
I believed scripture and prayed to Jesus for his truth and he filled me with the Spirit of God and I spoke in tongues.
No Jews were present at the time.

No Jews ever needed to hear you speak in tongues, because that was a long time ago and has been no more for a long time.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

They are not the same.

No, they aren't, but know this, that working on something doesn't mean that person really has faith in it, he may be forced to do it against his will, he may be just blindly following others, or he may have an ulterior motive; however, genuine faith in anything definitely motivates a person to work on it diligently even if there's pushback and obstables against him.

 

[Waggles]

and has been no more for a long time.

Only according to you.
But I prayed to Jesus about truth and he filled me with the Spirit of truth and I spoke in tongues.
You are like the Pope placing yourself as a higher authority than Christ Jesus.

 

[God's Truth]

No, they aren't, but know this, that working on something doesn't mean that person really has faith in it, he may be forced to do it against his will, he may be just blindly following others, or he may have an ulterior motive; however, genuine faith in anything definitely motivates a person to work on it diligently even if there's pushback and obstables against him.

A person has to obey by believing and the right action of repenting of sins. Just because someone has faith it does not mean they will repent of their sins.

 

[God's Truth]

Only according to you.

No, according to the scriptures.

But I prayed to Jesus about truth and he filled me with the Spirit of truth and I spoke in tongues.

You are like the Pope placing yourself as a higher authority than Christ Jesus.

Nonsense.

God testified to the gospel message by the miraculous signs, wonders and various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will (Heb 2:4; and Acts 14:3). God already testified to it.

Tongues are not for believers it is for unbelievers (1 Cor 14:22). The gift of tongues is a gift for a sign to the Jews (Isaiah 28:11, 12; 1 Cor 14:21; Acts 2:5, 8, Acts 10:44), during the laying of the foundation of the church. Speaking in tongues by the Gentiles also showed the Jews that God granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life (Acts 11:18). The sign has been given, and the foundation has since been laid (Eph 2:20), and tongues has ceased just as the Bible said it would.

Those speaking in tongues could declare the wonders of God (Acts 2:11). They could also praise God in tongues (Acts 10:46). Not everyone spoke in tongues (1 Cor 14:5). If someone spoke in tongues, then they should pray that they should also interpret what they say, for the benefit of others (1 Cor 14:19). Even when praying and singing while speaking in tongues, the speaker, for himself also, should interpret what he is saying so that it is fruitful for his mind (1 Cor 14:13, 14, 15). If there is no interpreter in church, then the speaker should keep quiet (1 Cor 14:28).

If speaking in tongues is the language of angels (1 Cor 13:1), angels minister to humans (Heb 1:14), and humans are to understand tongues in earthly languages (Acts 2:6, 11). Speaking in a tongue are words and not groans. When we are so distraught and all we can do is groan the Spirit intercedes for us with words to God for us (Rom 2:6). That has nothing to do with speaking in tongues.

The perfect has come the first time, Jesus (Heb 5:9); his perfect sacrifice (Heb 10:14), his perfect law (James 1:25); and the way to make us perfect (Matt 5:48; Heb 5:9, 10:14, 11:40).

Speaking in tongues would be “stilled” (1 Cor 13:8), stilled when prophecies ceased and knowledge of the mystery was revealed. Tongue speakers spoke mysteries (1 Cor 13:2, 14:2); consequently, the mystery of the gospel has been given (Eph 6:19), the mystery has been revealed (Col 1:26).

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

A person has to obey by believing and the right action of repenting of sins. Just because someone has faith it does not mean they will repent of their sins.

It takes time. The struggle between flesh and spirit is a life time process. Those strongholds don't just disappear overnight.

 

[B-A-C]

Tongues are not for believers it is for unbelievers

That is a weird wording. It is a "sign" for unbelievers. But it is believers who do the speaking in tongues.

The gift of tongues is a gift for a sign to the Jews

None of the scriptures you gave say that.

 

[God's Truth]

It takes time. The struggle between flesh and spirit is a life time process. Those strongholds don't just disappear overnight.

Right, some sins can take awhile to quit, but we still have to come to Jesus and repent of our sins, we have to promise to die to the sins of the world and live to please him.

 

[God's Truth]

That is a weird wording. It is a "sign" for unbelievers.

22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers.

But it is believers who do the speaking in tongues.

But Paul says speaking in tongues is for unbelievers to convince the Jews who spoke in many different languages.

None of the scriptures you gave say that.

Paul quoted old testament scripture to the Jews that they would be given the sign, and then at Pentecost in the New Testament the Jews were given the sign.

In Acts 2:5 we see that there were JEWS from EVERY NATION. The Jews are the people God said that He would speak to through men of strange tongues…

Acts 2:5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.

In Acts 2:6 we see that the Jews from every nation spoke in many different languages…

Acts 2:6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language.

Just look at the list of places the Jews had come from…

Acts 2:8-Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? 9Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs-we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”

 

[God's Truth]

Yes this is the first manifestation of the gift of interpretation.

So they didn't receive the Holy Spirit yet, but they had the gift of interpretation?

No, the gift of tongues was given to speak to the Jews in their languages.

 

[Waggles]

So they didn't receive the Holy Spirit yet, but they had the gift of interpretation?

No, the gift of tongues was given to speak to the Jews in their languages.

Everything you write is simply wrong.
You put your doctrine of rejection above the truth of scripture.
Fortunately for many of us we have indeed received the Spirit of truth and therefore do pray in tongues.
Your denials of the salvation once delivered to the saints are irrelevant to the continuing growth of the Spirit-filled church in the world.
Despite all your protestations against Pentecost, God is pouring out his Spirit upon all flesh and people are being born from above by water and Spirit with the Bible evidence of praying in tongues.
Mark 16 is alive and well and continues to be true.

 

[Waggles]

Galatians 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel —
1:7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
1:10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.

 

[God's Truth]

Everything you write is simply wrong.
You put your doctrine of rejection above the truth of scripture.
Fortunately for many of us we have indeed received the Spirit of truth and therefore do pray in tongues.
Your denials of the salvation once delivered to the saints are irrelevant to the continuing growth of the Spirit-filled church in the world.
Despite all your protestations against Pentecost, God is pouring out his Spirit upon all flesh and people are being born from above by water and Spirit with the Bible evidence of praying in tongues.
Mark 16 is alive and well and continues to be true.

If you had the truth you wouldn't speak that falseness about me.