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Why does God send people to hell?

So only males could be disciples according to what tradition? I also was unaware that you were a sexist. lol
Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?​
- John 21:21-23 KJV

Please stop wasting my time.
 
So only males could be disciples according to what tradition? I also was unaware that you were a sexist. lol
Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?- John 21:21-23 KJV
It doesn't mean "this man" wrote the Gospel.
Keep in mind I'm using your reasoning.
If it fits try it.... lol
Please stop wasting my time.
Experiencing a bad day does not justify attempting to negatively affect someone else's day.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Please stop wasting my time.
So as to not waste anymore of your time I do have a pertinent question on the subject matter for you.

Who was present at the last supper? And if possible, how and why they were seated as they were, would also be something to look to and might help with why I would ask this question of you.

Note: And I'm not talking about the painting either. :)

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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Experiencing a bad day does not justify attempting to negatively affect someone else's day.
I'm not having a bad day, and you are wasting my time. I'm not sure if you're trying to be dense or just having a go at me. I'd suggest you read your own posts. They exhibit a remarkable lack of consideration for what I wrote. The logic of what I posted is clear, and I clearly presented it.

Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.​
- John 21:20-24 KJV

The author identifies himself as the the disciple whom Jesus loved.
Peter had a concern about the author, and identified him as male.
Jesus had an odd reply about the author remaining alive until the "second coming." Why? There's no reason Jesus would address the death of the author unless something was extraordinary, such as having been previously raised from the dead. In addition, it would be quite normal to have questions about whether one raised from the dead (only Lazarus is resuscitated in this Gospel) would stay alive forever or not. The author even notes the rumor that spread around the brethren regarding his immortality.

The author identified only one male whom Jesus loved.

Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus.​
- John 11:5 KJV

Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.​
- John 11:23-24 KJV

And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.​
- John 11:43-44 KJV

This isn't an issue of my tradition or interpretation. Granted, the author's identification of himself is oblique, but nevertheless, he still identified himself.

Rhema
Although I will allow that "Lazarus" might be some code name for the Apostle John, but that's a stretch.
 
I'm not having a bad day, and you are wasting my time. I'm not sure if you're trying to be dense or just having a go at me. I'd suggest you read your own posts. They exhibit a remarkable lack of consideration for what I wrote. The logic of what I posted is clear, and I clearly presented it.

Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.​
- John 21:20-24 KJV

The author identifies himself as the the disciple whom Jesus loved.
Peter had a concern about the author, and identified him as male.
Jesus had an odd reply about the author remaining alive until the "second coming." Why? There's no reason Jesus would address the death of the author unless something was extraordinary, such as having been previously raised from the dead. In addition, it would be quite normal to have questions about whether one raised from the dead (only Lazarus is resuscitated in this Gospel) would stay alive forever or not. The author even notes the rumor that spread around the brethren regarding his immortality.

The author identified only one male whom Jesus loved.

Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus.​
- John 11:5 KJV

Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.​
- John 11:23-24 KJV

And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.​
- John 11:43-44 KJV

This isn't an issue of my tradition or interpretation. Granted, the author's identification of himself is oblique, but nevertheless, he still identified himself.

Rhema
A little more time please.

Clearly you are not using all the evidence available to you. Try the other Gospels, like Luke & Mark for the Lord's supper and you'll find something that you are choosing to overlook in being such a hurry to prove the possible authorship of The Gospel of John.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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AI researcher Filip Piekniewski, robotics expert Cynthia Yeung, and executive director of Mass Robotics Tom Ryden – calling the tesla bot a "complete and utter scam", (LINK)​

AI or human-controlled? Tesla's Optimus robots may have failed the reverse Turing test

Musk noted that Tesla (TSLA) has made a lot of progress with Optimus. "We started it with someone in a robot suit"​

God you people are so gullible. Musk puts a person in a robot suit and you think it has free will. Duh...


No thanks.

You need to reread! You are thinking I am saying a tesla bot has free will :laughing:
 
HI all,

I don't believe this to be the case.

@B-A-C, you had based your view on this verse:

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.​
- John 5:29 KJV

And at a simple reading, it does seem that everyone is resurrected, but that's only because the translation people believed such to be the case - so they translated it this way.

I provide a LINK to the Liddell Scott for "Resurrection" G386.
I 2. removal
II 2. rising and moving off, removal

As one can see, while ἀνάστασις (G386) can be used to describe the resurrection of the dead, it can also be used to describe the removal of people.

Without giving an entire seminary course here, there are many times where Jesus uses word play or juxtaposition of the same word to mean its opposite when such is applicable. I think this verse to be one of them.

και (AND) εκπορευσονται (SHALL BE CARRIED) οι (THEM) τα (THE) αγαθα ποιησαντες (GOOD-MAKING ones) εις (INTO) αναστασιν (RESURRECTION) ζωης (OF LIFE) οι δε (BUT THEM) τα (THE) φαυλα πραξαντες (FOUL-PRACTICING ones) εις (INTO) αναστασιν (REMOVAL) κρισεως (OF, due to, JUDGEMENT)​

Those practicing foulness do not necessarily need to be resurrected from the dead - just removed. Why even bother?

Rhema
Hello @Rhema,

Thank you for the information. I read something just last night concerning those who will not be raised, and references were given. Unfortunately I was referencing more than one book.I will try to find it and come back to you.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
The author identifies himself as the the disciple whom Jesus loved.
Peter had a concern about the author, and identified him as male.
Jesus had an odd reply about the author remaining alive until the "second coming." Why? There's no reason Jesus would address the death of the author unless something was extraordinary, such as having been previously raised from the dead. In addition, it would be quite normal to have questions about whether one raised from the dead (only Lazarus is resuscitated in this Gospel) would stay alive forever or not. The author even notes the rumor that spread around the brethren regarding his immortality.

There are no earthly authors called gospel writers.

One gospel of Christ written with the finger of God, Christ the lone writer.

One writer the Holy Ghost. No ghost writers called Mathew, Mark, Luke and John .

No pecking order venerating dying mankind to lord it over the faith of the non-venerable. Not pecking order found in Christianity.

Not after Roman Catholic mythology or East Orthodox mythology

Not the private interpretations of Mathew, Mark, Luke, John.

2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

It makes no difference when studying as to who provides the tablets (blank writing material) .The power is in the finger of God representing the will of God

God when establishing his book of law on Mount Sinia hew out two tablets . . . by his mighty finger wrote on both sides of the two tablets with no room for oral traditions of men. like the oral tradition of gospel of Mathew and another gospel of Mark with another Luke another John,

Not a inspiration of God

Christ the same one author of the gospel good news of Job, gospel of Song of Songs. or Genisis the 66 chapter gospel

The author written by the finger is Christ eternal God working through fallen mankind. Mankind can supply the blank tablets

1 Corinthians 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.;So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

The interpreting law of faith as power to raise the dead. . .Christ's as it is written,it is needed to rightly divide the parables. It must be used when mixing temporal historical seen with the eternal not seen things of Christ .

2 Corinthians 4:18While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are

temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Failing to use that parable interpreting tool is the reason some call the one gospel four gospels. Divide and conquer

Parables teach us how to walk by faith after the things not seen

In Luke 9 In a series of parables again in order to teach believers how to walk by faith the power of the unseen eternal, mixed with the temporal historical.

Hiding the gospel understanding again and again. They were simply in wonderment, marveling. . . wondering is not believing its wondering or marveling In that way believers must be care remembering Satan the king with all power to deceive of lying sign wonder after just as if true prophecy

They had become so confused and must have thought Jesus the son of man went off his rocker they decided to elect a new top Alfa Dog with Jesu two feet in front of them

Luke 9:43-46 And they were all amazed (not believed) at the mighty power of God. But while they wondered (not believed) every one at all things which Jesus did, he said unto his disciples, Let these sayings (parable) sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men. But they understood not this saying,(parable) and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying. Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest.

Because of the eternal Father's use of parables through his prophet apostle Jesus It would seem he was to most misunderstood man that ever walked on water. Even his own family seen him as strange

In the last of the parables in that series again they had become confused, determined to look only to the temporal historical and not the law of faith .

They thought Jesus the son of man had tricked them as if going towards the Jews. Jesus had already sent messengers (apostles) to prepare the way.. Because those apostles were not given the interpretation of the parable, they demanded the unseen Lord bring down fire and consume them, The out of sight out of mind foundation, the fleshly manner of spirit and not the hidden things of Christ. The father gave words to his prophet Jesu rebuking them not knowing waht maner they were off the maner of unbelif not faith as it is written (sola scriptura)


Luke 9:51-55;And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,;And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.;And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
 
Ref:- reply#517 - Rhema
HI all,​
I don't believe this to be the case.​
@B-A-C, you had based your view on this verse:​
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.​
- John 5:29 KJV​
And at a simple reading, it does seem that everyone is resurrected, but that's only because the translation people believed such to be the case - so they translated it this way.​
'Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming,
in the which all that are in the graves
shall hear His voice, And shall come forth;
they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.'

(Joh 5:28-29)

Hello @Rhema,

@B-A-C quoted this verse, to which you made response. Believing that not all men will be raised (see below). I thanked you for the information you had referenced, and said I would return and reply to you on this.

I 2. removal
II 2. rising and moving off, removal
As one can see, while ἀνάστασις (G386) can be used to describe the resurrection of the dead, it can also be used to describe the removal of people.​
Without giving an entire seminary course here, there are many times where Jesus uses word play or juxtaposition of the same word to mean its opposite when such is applicable. I think this verse to be one of them.​

και (AND) εκπορευσονται (SHALL BE CARRIED) οι (THEM) τα (THE) αγαθα ποιησαντες (GOOD-MAKING ones) εις (INTO) αναστασιν (RESURRECTION) ζωης (OF LIFE) οι δε (BUT THEM) τα (THE) φαυλα πραξαντες (FOUL-PRACTICING ones) εις (INTO) αναστασιν (REMOVAL) κρισεως (OF, due to, JUDGEMENT)​
Those practicing foulness do not necessarily need to be resurrected from the dead - just removed. Why even bother?​
Rhema
'O LORD our God,
other lords beside Thee have had dominion over us:
but by Thee only will we make mention of Thy Name.
They are dead, they shall not live;
they are deceased, they shall not rise:

therefore hast Thou visited and destroyed them,
and made all their memory to perish.'

(Isa 26:13-14)

The verses I quote above refer to those who, 'shall not rise', but this is referring to the Canaanite oppressors of Israel and their false gods. 'They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise' . These are not dead MEN as such, for ALL men shall rise again (Dan. 12:2; John 5:28-29, Acts 23:6-8 & 24:15, 1 Cor. 15:22, Rev. 20:4-6 & 13). These Canaanites are the 'Rephaim' (i,e., 'giants' or 'dead') (see Isaiah 26:19, Job 26:5, Psa. 88:10, Pro. 2:18, 9:18, 21:16, Isa. 14:9). Rephaim is the name of a city (Isa. 17:5), so called after one 'Rapha', a mighty one among the descendants of the Nephilim, as Anak was, who gave his name to another branch. They shall not rise. They were the progeny of the fallen angels; these latter are kept 'in prison' (1Pet.3:19), in 'chains' (2Pet. 2:4 & Jude 6), 'reserved' unto judgment; but their progeny will 'not rise' (Isa.26: 14 & 19) or be judged, for they have been 'visited', 'destroyed', and 'perished'. - ( Ref:- marginal notes from 'The Companion Bible')


Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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(Dan. 12:2; John 5:28-29, Acts 23:6-8 & 24:15, 1 Cor. 15:22, Rev. 20:4-6 & 13).

'And at that time shall Michael stand up,
the great prince which standeth for the children of Thy People:
and there shall be a time of trouble,
such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:
and at that time Thy People shall be delivered,
every one that shall be found written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.'

(Dan 12:1-2)

'For as the Father hath life in Himself;
so hath He given to the Son to have life in Himself;
And hath given Him authority to execute judgment also,
because He is the Son of man.
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which
all that are in the graves shall hear His voice, And shall come forth;
they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.'

(Joh 5:26-29)

Praise God!
 
(Dan. 12:2; John 5:28-29, Acts 23:6-8 & 24:15, 1 Cor. 15:22, Rev. 20:4-6 & 13).

'And at that time shall Michael stand up,
the great prince which standeth for the children of Thy People:
and there shall be a time of trouble,
such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:
and at that time Thy People shall be delivered,
every one that shall be found written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.'

(Dan 12:1-2)
Michael meaning "who is like God"? Of course no man is like eternal God .He is not a man .

Jesus as a Prince sent as a apostle by the Father during the time of first century reformation(Hebrews 9) destroying Kings in Israel The abomination of desolation, a terrible tribulation for the Jew that was trusting his flesh a great time of joy for the believing Jew and believing gentile . like never before or ever again.

The appointment is to die once .Not over and over reincarnation. Holding the Son of man Jesus to public shame as if the three days and nights prophesied demonstration of the lamb that was slain the first six days the Father did work .By Michael the princes bruises we are healed

Hebrews6: 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
 
Try the other Gospels, like Luke & Mark for the Lord's supper and you'll find something that you are choosing to overlook in being such a hurry to prove the possible authorship of The Gospel of John.
You mean the Gospels that have Jesus eating the Passover and NOT washing feet?

John is self contained.

Now if you have something to point out, please do so.

Thanks,
Rhema
 
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.'

(Dan 12:1-2)
Why does it say MANY, and not ALL ??

(Joh 5:26-29)
I dealt with this verse.

It will take time to review the others (Acts 23:6-8 & 24:15, 1 Cor. 15:22, Rev. 20:4-6 & 13), although Revelation is not in our canon, nor should it be in yours.

Thank you,
Rhema
 
ALL men shall rise again (Dan. 12:2; John 5:28-29, Acts 23:6-8 & 24:15, 1 Cor. 15:22, Rev. 20:4-6 & 13).
But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question. And when he had so said, there arose a dissension between the Pharisees and the Sadducees: and the multitude was divided. For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.​
- Acts 23:6-8 KJV

I never denied the Resurrection of the dead. But nowhere in this passages does it say that "ALL men shall rise again."

But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.​
- Acts 24:14-15 KJV

This is from a rather infamous passage where Paul calls himself a Pharisee. Not that he was (but no longer is), but that he IS a Pharisee. I find that both curious and problematic. But as I read this passage, I just see Paul listing the beliefs of the Pharisees of which he admits he believes as a Pharisee (not as a Christian). Is Paul proclaiming a hope? Or a Truth?

I couldn't tell you. Paul himself says "hope."

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.​
- 1 Corinthians 15:22 KJV

This is actually a proof text for those who say that every person ever having lived shall be saved. I would note, though, that the text does not say, "ALL men shall rise again." From my perspective, it only means that those made alive are those "in Christ."

Might you have other scriptural passages to consider?

Thanks,
Rhema
 
You mean the Gospels that have Jesus eating the Passover and NOT washing feet?

John is self contained.

Now if you have something to point out, please do so.

Thanks,
Rhema
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Just don't tell me you are one of those who believes that they must all read exactly the same in order for them to be true!
 
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Just don't tell me you are one of those who believes that they must all read exactly the same in order for them to be true!
Please don't tell me you are one of those who believes that no contradictions exist within the New Testament texts whatsoever. Or that truth shifts depending upon which way the wind blows....

I'd be happy to entertain whatever arguments you have that the Synoptic Gospels show (prove?) that the Apostle John was the author of the Gospel named John. However, as I've shown, the Gospel named John itself shows the author to be Lazarus. But it's a bit surreal that the extraordinary account of raising Lazarus from the dead would have been completely missed by Matthew, and Mark, and Luke.

But if none of this bothers you, hey, dance the night away.


Rhema
 
Please don't tell me you are one of those who believes that no contradictions exist within the New Testament texts whatsoever. Or that truth shifts depending upon which way the wind blows....

I'd be happy to entertain whatever arguments you have that the Synoptic Gospels show (prove?) that the Apostle John was the author of the Gospel named John. However, as I've shown, the Gospel named John itself shows the author to be Lazarus. But it's a bit surreal that the extraordinary account of raising Lazarus from the dead would have been completely missed by Matthew, and Mark, and Luke.

But if none of this bothers you, hey, dance the night away.

Rhema
Glad you remembered I don't dance. :)

No conjecture. So, my question to you is who was present at the Passover Meal (called the Last Supper)?
Scripture makes it plain that there was 12 Disciples & Jesus for a total of 13.

Now as they sat and ate, Jesus said, "Assuredly, I say to you, one of you who eats with Me will betray Me." 19 And they began to be sorrowful, and to say to Him one by one, "[Is] it I?" And another [said], "[Is] it I?" 20 He answered and said to them, "[It is] one of the twelve, who dips with Me in the dish. Mark 14:18-20 NKJV

When it was evening, Jesus sat down at the table with the twelve disciples. Matthew 26:20- NLT

When the hour had come, He sat down, and the twelve apostles with Him. Luke 22:14 NKJV

When Jesus had said these things, He was troubled in spirit, and testified and said, "Most assuredly, I say to you, one of you will betray Me." 22 Then the disciples looked at one another, perplexed about whom He spoke. 23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of His disciples, whom Jesus loved. 24 Simon Peter therefore motioned to him to ask who it was of whom He spoke. 25 Then, leaning back on Jesus' breast, he said to Him, "Lord, who is it?" 26 Jesus answered, "It is he to whom I shall give a piece of bread when I have dipped [it]." And having dipped the bread, He gave [it] to Judas Iscariot, [the son] of Simon. John 13:21-26 NKJV

So, according to the Gospel of John that you use to make your case for the authorship of The Gospel of John as being Lazarus because he was "The one whom Jesus loved", he would have had to be present at the Passover Meal. However, according to the other 3 Gospels, and is not refuted by the Gospel of John for no number is given, there were 12 Apostles present according to the Gospel of Luke, 12 disciples present by Matthew, and Mark.

We know who the 12 closest followers of Jesus were, and who the 12 Apostles were.

Maybe, you already knew this. I can't say, but without conjecture, you can't place Lazarus at the Passover Meal (Last Supper) and so is not the one whom Jesus loved referenced elsewhere, though I'm sure he was loved, along with many other followers/disciples.

It reminds me of the joke about one-person saying I'm friends with Jesus, and the other person says, yeah, but I'm His best friend. :)

Presented for your consideration.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Please don't tell me you are one of those who believes that no contradictions exist within the New Testament texts whatsoever. Or that truth shifts depending upon which way the wind blows....

I'd be happy to entertain whatever arguments you have that the Synoptic Gospels show (prove?) that the Apostle John was the author of the Gospel named John. However, as I've shown, the Gospel named John itself shows the author to be Lazarus. But it's a bit surreal that the extraordinary account of raising Lazarus from the dead would have been completely missed by Matthew, and Mark, and Luke.

Please don't say you are one of those who believes the vehicle by which Christ brings his living word (apostle sent one). is greater than the living words spoke.

Gods "Let there be" and "it was good" (law of faith) is not served by the hands as a will of dying mankind.

Christ in us yoked with him in a parable Christ can use an unbeliever signified as an unclean Ass not redeemed by a lamb as a ceremony sign to the whole world.

An Ass as a apostles sent with prophecy. The powerful living word of Christ stopped the madness of the false apostle Balaam along with his false prophecy (oral traditions of dying mankind). Like is John. . . Lazarus as if it would make a difference to the gospel .

Two witnesses proving God has spoke

Exodus 13:13 And every firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem.

Exodus 34:20 But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

Numbers 22:28 And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?

Using the same kind of Ass to represent the un-redeemed entering the new heavenly city prepared for his bride the church

John 12:14-15 And Jesus, when he had found a young ass (unbeliever ), sat thereon; as it is written, Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.

Apostles like Balaam's Ass preach. Christ alone is the one good teaching master

1 Corinthians 3:6;I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

Many preach the gospel and do cast out lying spirits by the words of the gospel. Not all are sent those like Balaam. Christ saying I never knew you unbelieving Ass's

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The Lazarus parable four days the Holy Father kept the body from corrupting beyond the point of no return. It must be compared to the three days and night demonstration of Jesus the Son of man. Both parables have separate purposes working together as one gospel.

One author "Let there be" and perfecter: "it was God alone good". Not it was the apostles alone are good

.Like the apostle Moses given his part. having destroyed the first set to represent the letter of the law death (thou shall not, or you are dead.

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

This time Moses is commanded to hewn out the two tablets and then again with the finger of Christ he writes on both sides with no room for oral traditions of dying mankind. The second time to represent the New Testament of faith Christ as Emanuel's labor of love working in the believers.

The just letter of the law (death) working with the justifier. two laws working as one perfect law

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
 
But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question. And when he had so said, there arose a dissension between the Pharisees and the Sadducees: and the multitude was divided. For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.​
- Acts 23:6-8 KJV

I never denied the Resurrection of the dead. But nowhere in this passages does it say that "ALL men shall rise again."

But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.​
- Acts 24:14-15 KJV

This is from a rather infamous passage where Paul calls himself a Pharisee. Not that he was (but no longer is), but that he IS a Pharisee. I find that both curious and problematic. But as I read this passage, I just see Paul listing the beliefs of the Pharisees of which he admits he believes as a Pharisee (not as a Christian). Is Paul proclaiming a hope? Or a Truth?

I couldn't tell you. Paul himself says "hope."

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.​
- 1 Corinthians 15:22 KJV

This is actually a proof text for those who say that every person ever having lived shall be saved. I would note, though, that the text does not say, "ALL men shall rise again." From my perspective, it only means that those made alive are those "in Christ."

Might you have other scriptural passages to consider?

Thanks,
Rhema
Dan. 12:2; John 5:28-29, Acts 23:6-8 & 24:15, 1 Cor. 15:22, Rev. 20:4-6 & 13

Hello there, @Rhema,

At the present moment I have no other references to give you, but if I find anything further I shall come back to you: Though if you need the words, 'All men shall rise again', in order to believe that they will, then you have a problem.
The word, 'ALL' can mean one of two things,: either 'all' without exception, or 'all' without distinction. Such as in John 12:32. 'I if I be lifted up from the earth (i.e., in crucifixion) will draw all men unto Me'. If this means 'all without exception', then it is not true, for all men have not been drawn unto Him. It must therefore mean, 'all without distinction'.

The only way to determine whether all are raised. is by comparing scripture with scripture, reading all reference to the dead, in association with resurrection, within their context, and looking at the facts, presented in their entirety: for we have no evidence to present from experience or historical records.

I believe that apart from that one exception in Isaiah 26:13-14, in which we are told that those referenced would not be raised, having received the full punishment of God already, and perished accordingly: all will be raised; some to life eternal, and others to judgment. For God is just, and righteous, and does all in accordance with justice and righteousness: so if in this world a man is innocent until proven guilty, and is given the right, in a court of law, to make his case, before a judgment is made, and possible sentence imposed. Then I would expect nothing less of God Himself. Human reasoning, and flawed this is, but the best I have.​

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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