Why are you playing the fool here? For clearly in reading each account of the Passover Meal you know it is the telling of the last meal that Jesus partook with them prior to being arrested.
Who is the fool? The one who actually reads what is written? Or the one who ignores what is actually written?
Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end and supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;
- John 13:1-2 KJV
The supper described in John is
BEFORE the feast of the Passover. The text LITERALLY states BEFORE (See above - I even colorized it for you and everything.)
in John, Jesus does not eat the Passover meal. He is crucified at the same time the Passover lambs are killed in preparation to eat the Passover. One cannot eat the Passover if one is dead.
Then led they (the Jewish Temple Guard) Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.
- John 18:28 KJV
These "They" had not yet eaten the Passover meal.
There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.
- John 19:42 KJV
This is typically understood to be the preparation day for the Passover meal.
One account, one Passover Meal in all 4 accounts.
Conjecture. And yes, dishonest conjecture.
Judas departed during this supper according to the account of "John."
He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.
- John 13:30 KJV
But "John" states that the disciples did not know why Judas left, and listed two of their conjectures.
For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.
- John 13:29 KJV
Now BE HONEST AND DEAL WITH THIS PART OF MY POST --
Are the disciples so stupid as to think that Jesus sent Judas to buy things needed for the feast of the Passover Meal if they had just finished eating the Passover meal?
I don't think so. If, as you claim, they had finished eating the Passover, why would anybody ever even think that Jesus sent Judas to buy things needed for the feast which they had just finished? Such a thought would not enter any rational person's head.
So whatever supper is recorded in John 13, it is not the same supper as that recorded in Mat. Mark and Luke where Communion is established.
I'd suggest you ask your pastor about this and see what kind of story he tells you.
Rhema
Did you consider this as being but one event/conversation from John Chapter 13 - 18?
Of course it is. And while Mat. Mark and Luke have Jesus eating the Passover, John does not.
For clearly in reading each account of the Passover Meal you know it is the telling of the last meal that Jesus partook with them prior to being arrested.
No. The meal in "John" was BEFORE the feast of the Passover.
Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
- John 13:1 KJV
As you well know the chapter nbr. and verse nbr. were added much letter so that scholars could make reference points via correspondence a lot easier,
This is completely irrelevant to my post. Completely. So why the Red Herring?
I am also asking you to acknowledge what is written, but to include it all and not be partial in your selection to be considered, and that this was the Passover Meal. Many things can happen at once during an event that was detailed 4 different times, and which can all be true though different nuances are used by different writers.
No. You're asking me to erase the word BEFORE so that you can feel better about the accounts. NO. I WILL NOT ERASE SCRIPTURE (and you speak to ME about shame?)
Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end and supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;
- John 13:1-2 KJV
Before means BEFORE - Prior to.... Not during. Not after.
Brother @th1bill in post #561 speaks to how this happens, which I am sure you know.
So then the inspiration of the Holy Spirit also means nothing to you with regards to accuracy... Got it.