If we know Christmas is Pagan, why still Celebrate it?

[BroTan]

So are you saying that man can inform me on what I need to do as to Worshipping the Lord over what the Lord tells me?

It's written about those they tried and scatter

Hope all's well
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Can you show in the Bible where it says to celebrate Jesus Christ birthday? Man has treaded the word of God underfoot, and has tried to make the Bible just another book. (God forbid) That, which is evil, is called good, and that which is good is called evil.

The scripture warns us against this, and says, "Woe unto them that do this." The commandments have been changed, so have the times and laws. Man has twisted God's word to justify his carnal desires, and to exalt himself. Take heed to the scriptures, (II Corinthians 13:5) "examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith: Prove your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be Reprobates." Also (Ephesians 4:4-6) "there is one body, and one spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling: (5th verse) one Lord, one faith, one baptism, (6th verse) one God, and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Last of all, look at (James 2:19)" thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: The devils also believe, and tremble." Jesus gave us this invitation in (St. Matthew 11:28-30) "come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. (29th verse) Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart; and ye shall find rest unto your souls. (30th verse) For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

 

[BroTan]

Christ.... mas. There is nothing pagan in the name. A celebration of the birth of Jesus. Also not pagan. Yes, we dont know the exact date of Jesus's birth and the early catholics decided to celebrate it on winter soltice which IS a pagan holiday. So why did they do this? It wasnt done to make the celebration of Jesus birth more pagan. Thats simply what you want to believe. They did it because people like to have celebrations, some drinking, and rejoicing over things good in life. It was done, per catholics, to give people something to celebrate instead of the pagan holiday and on the same day to draw more people away FROM the pagan celebrations. So tell me why you think this was evil?

So exactly where did Christmas come from? World Scope Encyclopedia (1960 vol.3) states, "Christmas, the festival observed by the Christian Church on the 25th day of December in commemoration of the birth of Jesus Christ. No certain knowledge of the birthday of Jesus Christ exists and its observance was not established until some time after the organization of the first churches. The 25th day of December was advocated by Julius 1, Bishop of Rome from 337 to 352, as the most suitable time to commemorate the birth of Christ. The day was finally placed on December 25th, which made it possible for all nations to observe a festival of rejoicing that the shortest day of the year has passed. Moreover, the newly converted peoples found it convenient to get a kind of substitute for their original celebrations of the solstice". The birth of Jesus the Christ was assigned the date of December 25th, because on this day, as the sun began its return to the northern skies, the pagan devotees of Mithra celebrated the dies natalis Solis Invicti (birthday of the invincible sun). The history book a Pictorial History of the Italian People states, "Saint Gregory was repelled by Graeco-Roman civilization and, paradoxically, did more than anyone else to facilitate the absorption of pagan residues into Italian Christianity. Through that process of absorption, any paganism hostile to Christianity remaining in Italian rural communities faded away". Check your history, you'll find that the customs associated with Christmas were celebrated some 2000 years before Jesus.

But if we got Christmas from the Roman Catholics, and they got it from paganism, where did the pagans get it? Where, when, and what was its real origin? It started and originated in the original Bablyhon of ancient Nimrod. Nimrod, grandson of Ham, son of Noah built the tower of Babel. Nimrod married his own mother, whose name is Semiramis. After Nimrod's, Semiramis claimed a full grown evergreen tree sprang overnight from a dead tree stump, which symbolized the springing forth unto new life of the dead Nimrod. On each anniversary of his birth, she claimed Nimrod would visit the evergreen tree and leave gifts upon it. December 25th was the birthday of Nimrod. This is the real origin of the Christmas tree.

Through her scheming and designing, Semiramis became the Babylonia "Queen of Heaven," and Nimrod, under various names, became the "divine son of heaven." Through the generations, in this idolatrius worship, Nimrod also became the false Messiah, son of Baal the Sun-god. In this false Bablyhonish system, the "Mother and Child" (Semiramis and Nimrod reborn) became chief objects of worship. This worship of "Mother and Child" spread over the world. The names varied in different countries and languages. In Egypt it was Isis and Osiris. In Asia, Cybele and Deoius. In pagan Rome, Fortuna and Jupiterpuer. Even in Greece, China, Japan, Tibet is to be found the counterpart of the Madonna, long before the birth of Christ. The Lord God of Israel made reference to the worshiping and sacrificing to the "Queen of Heaven" in Jeremiah.

Jeremiah 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

 

[Twistie]

Can you show in the Bible where it says to celebrate Jesus Christ birthday? Man has treaded the word of God underfoot, and has tried to make the Bible just another book. (God forbid) That, which is evil, is called good, and that which is good is called evil.

The scripture warns us against this, and says, "Woe unto them that do this." The commandments have been changed, so have the times and laws. Man has twisted God's word to justify his carnal desires, and to exalt himself. Take heed to the scriptures, (II Corinthians 13:5) "examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith: Prove your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be Reprobates." Also (Ephesians 4:4-6) "there is one body, and one spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling: (5th verse) one Lord, one faith, one baptism, (6th verse) one God, and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Last of all, look at (James 2:19)" thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: The devils also believe, and tremble." Jesus gave us this invitation in (St. Matthew 11:28-30) "come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. (29th verse) Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart; and ye shall find rest unto your souls. (30th verse) For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

I presume man gave the day a name can you show me where He tells us we shouldn't celebrate and rejoice in the Lords Birth? And where He tells us he gave days to satan?

Heres another example of why I do not turn to many for help..

Got 80 cent in our account looking in my fridge I see we have no butter I was hoping to have some stuffing with this bird we got for a dinner n I also eat mainly pieces of toast with butter through out the day when I get the hungry feeling upon me.. any who I said oh Lord idk what to do for stuffing I don't mind dry toast but would really like that stuffing not even 10 minutes later I have a way to get some butter..

Perhaps now you will understand why I don't follow man and Why I won't give not one day the Lord has made over to satan..

I pray for spiritual strength and sight and hearing for you cause what is here n what has been released in this s world is something none of us have ever seen before..

Hope all's well!!

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[MedicBravo]

It was originally a feast day. Not pagan.

• The earliest clear evidence of Christians celebrating it comes from the 3rd–4th century (long after Jesus’ life, but early in church history).
• The date December 25 was officially used by the Western Church by 336 AD in Rome.
• Jesus’ birth is Christian theology.
• Christmas as a religious celebration was invented by Christians.
• The Bible does not command celebrating Jesus’ birth, but it also does not forbid it.
  
  Winter festivals existed, yes—but none of them celebrated Jesus, and none of them were called Christmas, and Christians created Christmas for Christian reasons.

 

[Brad Huber]

It was originally a feast day. Not pagan.

• The earliest clear evidence of Christians celebrating it comes from the 3rd–4th century (long after Jesus’ life, but early in church history).
• The date December 25 was officially used by the Western Church by 336 AD in Rome.
• Jesus’ birth is Christian theology.
• Christmas as a religious celebration was invented by Christians.
• The Bible does not command celebrating Jesus’ birth, but it also does not forbid it.
  
  Winter festivals existed, yes—but none of them celebrated Jesus, and none of them were called Christmas, and Christians created Christmas for Christian reasons.

Brotan wants to associate the celebration of Christmas with evil. Nothing any of us say will make any difference, as he feels he is right and everyone who disagrees with him is wrong. I have seen it so many times. Not just on Christmas, but literally ANY topic. Someone sinks their teeth into some topic, decide what they feel is the truth, and promotes anything that even slightly validates "his" truth. And these people will NOT listen to any logical disagreement with their truth. Having a form of godliness without the internal important change.

 

[B-A-C]

If the only reason we have to say it's Pagan is.. we don't know the exact date, then we can pretty much say 99% of the Bible is Pagan, because we don't know the exact date of most of it.

 

[Gerbolski]

God is a good God, and is worthy to be praised.

Purity is very important, reverencing him in every way is important, serving him in the way he wants to be served is important, and not taking his name lightly is very important.

Is he really our all and all, many make a lot of claims, but few have actions to the claims they make.

Does God want Cain's sacrifice, or Abel's sacrifice (spiritually speaking) ?

Does God want mixture, Christianizing things, or does he want purity, and not a who cares attitude, were it is all about me, myself and I, pay a little lip service to Jesus, but I will do what I want and when I want, and how I want, which is a careless attitude.

Seek his face in a serious way, not be conformed to this world, but to be transformed by his actual word.

And not even to be conformed to the church of the 300's, which most were full of heresies, and what was brought about was an unpure church which is Roman Catholicism, which was merging paganism and so called Christianity together, and that is one of Satan's greatest masks, you add some truth, mix it in with untrtuhs, and voila, you have a deceptive mask.

And people seem to love masks, because a mask will validate what they want.

 

[MedicBravo]

Brotan wants to associate the celebration of Christmas with evil. Nothing any of us say will make any difference, as he feels he is right and everyone who disagrees with him is wrong. I have seen it so many times. Not just on Christmas, but literally ANY topic. Someone sinks their teeth into some topic, decide what they feel is the truth, and promotes anything that even slightly validates "his" truth. And these people will NOT listen to any logical disagreement with their truth. Having a form of godliness without the internal important change.

Anyone who equates Jesus' works to evil has committed the Unforgivble Sin.
We can all post what "we" think it is or not.
The fact is, it isn't.

The birth of Christmas (3rd–4th centuries)​

Christmas begins to take shape around AD 300–336, especially in Rome.
Why December 25?

• Coincided with Roman winter festivals, especially:
  • Saturnalia (Dec 17–23): feasting, gifts, role reversal
  • Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (Dec 25): “Birth of the Unconquered Sun”
• Christians reframed the date as:
  • Christ = the true light of the world

• Early nativities were symbolic, not sentimental
• Found in catacombs, mosaics, and icons
• Emphasis on:
  
  • Christ’s divinity
  • Fulfillment of prophecy
• Animals, manger, and Mary appear early
• Nativity plays won’t appear until the medieval period

Gift-giving (limited and symbolic)​

• Not universal
• If done, gifts were:
  
  • Small
  • Given to the poor
  • Inspired by the Magi (gold, frankincense, myrrh)
• No focus on children or abundance

There's a lot more to Christmas history but too much and people (generally) will skip, won't read, and have the max attention span of 5 minutes.
**Christmas is NOT pagan in origin.**

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

No offense meant
I just find it absurd there are Christians against celebrating the Birth of the Savior.. meanwhile the Islamics are trying to force removal of it in countries they invaded..

Personally I just like to keep hope that at least one day a year I know that other brothers n sisters in other countries are rejoicing and praising Him

I have hope it will be as it is written n that may I will g(eople they shouldn't celebrate the Birth of the Lord when in fact the Angels themselves rejoiced at His birth?

People can't control how others Ain you

I'm j.s.

Hope all's well

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If your birthday was in August and all of your family and friends decided to celebrate it months later, how would you feel? (Just a passing thought)

 

[Twistie]

If your birthday was in August and all of your family and friends decided to celebrate it months later, how would you feel? (Just a passing thought)

They was there when I was born first off second haven't had a celebration since I was 12 or 13 I believe.. very seldom will I even get a happy b day text n doesn't bother me a bit.. so tell me you don't think one should rejoice in the birth n give thanks to the Almighty?
Perhaps we shouldn't celebrate the or praise the Lord at all since there's no definite dates attached to any of the scriptures is that better?

Hope all's well..

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[Admon Mikha'el]

They was there when I was born first off second haven't had a celebration since I was 12 or 13 I believe.. very seldom will I even get a happy b day text n doesn't bother me a bit.. so tell me you don't think one should rejoice in the birth n give thanks to the Almighty?
Perhaps we shouldn't celebrate the or praise the Lord at all since there's no definite dates attached to any of the scriptures is that better?

Hope all's well..

ʘ⁠‿⁠ʘ

Truthfully, there is no place in the Word where Jesus celebrated His B'day.

 

[BroTan]

Brotan wants to associate the celebration of Christmas with evil. Nothing any of us say will make any difference, as he feels he is right and everyone who disagrees with him is wrong. I have seen it so many times. Not just on Christmas, but literally ANY topic. Someone sinks their teeth into some topic, decide what they feel is the truth, and promotes anything that even slightly validates "his" truth. And these people will NOT listen to any logical disagreement with their truth. Having a form of godliness without the internal important change.

Well, at lease Bro.Tan show proof of his belief using the Bible and history and not just speaking his own truth. Most people hate the truth specially when they want to what they want to do anyway. If Jesus is the reason for the season, then why didn't He let us know when to celebrate his birth? We claim we love Jesus so much but why don't we observe his death as he commanded us. Luke 22:19, "And he took bread, and gave thanks, and break it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me." He commanded you to observe the Passover, not Easter, which is also a pagan holiday associated with wild sexual orgies. Jesus commanded us to observe the Holy Days in Leviticus the 23rd chapter but we ignore those days and observe traditions that have nothing to do with Jesus. No where you can read in the Bible where Jesus commands us to celebrate his birthday. If we took the fundamentals off the table, like the children toys and gifts, remove the tv shows, all the entertainment, Santa Clause, which that has nothing to do with Jesus. At lease we be doing wrong right.

But Jesus says in (Matthew 15: 1-9). 1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, 2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. 3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

 

[Twistie]

Truthfully, there is no place in the Word where Jesus celebrated His B'day.

Duh.. no He didn't He was humble something huh yet many of the Christians celebrate their own that's funny ey?? Do you hold a celebration for yourself??..

Ya know I could be like how would ya feel if the ones who loved ya didn't call you by your birth name n called ya what they wanted...

Perhaps some are just stuck on flesh they can't put themselves in a spiritual way yet because the Spirit of the Lord has yet to allow them to see .

Ya don't want to celebrate His birthday ya don't wanna give Abba Glory for His gift? That's between you n Him.. not my monkey not my circus you gotta deal with it.. as for me I will continue to Listen to Lord over what man feels or thinks..

Perhaps you can only see Christmas as in a tree with a bunch of presents by a man with a beard idk but if that what it is to you we are so not alike in any way n you would not be able to understand what I am speaking about..

For things of the Spirit sounds foolish to the flesh n things of the flesh sounds foolish to the Spirit

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

I was warned about those like you..

Hope all's well

I will pray for you to start seeing n hearing..


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[Brad Huber]

Well, at lease Bro.Tan show proof of his belief using the Bible and history and not just speaking his own truth. Most people hate the truth specially when they want to what they want to do anyway. If Jesus is the reason for the season, then why didn't He let us know when to celebrate his birth? We claim we love Jesus so much but why don't we observe his death as he commanded us. Luke 22:19, "And he took bread, and gave thanks, and break it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me." He commanded you to observe the Passover, not Easter, which is also a pagan holiday associated with wild sexual orgies. Jesus commanded us to observe the Holy Days in Leviticus the 23rd chapter but we ignore those days and observe traditions that have nothing to do with Jesus. No where you can read in the Bible where Jesus commands us to celebrate his birthday. If we took the fundamentals off the table, like the children toys and gifts, remove the tv shows, all the entertainment, Santa Clause, which that has nothing to do with Jesus. At lease we be doing wrong right.

But Jesus says in (Matthew 15: 1-9). 1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, 2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. 3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

According to your logic, Jesus never went to the bathroom, because it doesnt say it in scripture. And of course we celebrate His death, just another example of you finding fault just for the sake of feeling more self righteous.

 

[MedicBravo]

If your birthday was in August and all of your family and friends decided to celebrate it months later, how would you feel? (Just a passing thought)

You're assuming Jesus thinks like a mortal human. He doesn't.
That is not an argument.

• The real birth date is unknown
• The year is estimated at 6–4 BC
• Christmas (Dec 25) is the primary traditional celebration date, but not His confirmed birthday
• Most Christian groups agree on celebrating His birth, even if the calendar day varies by tradition

 

[Gerbolski]

Truthfully, there is no place in the Word where Jesus celebrated His B'day.

If you look carefully in what Admon is saying here, that is actually true that there is no place in the word, were it shows, Jesus himself celebrating his birthday.

And of course Jesus' birth was important, but what the bible emphasizes more on, is focusing on what saved us, which is his death and resurrection.

Although you did need his birth, in order for the rest to be.

The focus should be on what does God really want, and not on what do we want.

Deu 12:30-31
(30) Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
(31) Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

 

[YeshuaFan]

No creditable scholar I know, believes Christmas was ever a pagan holiday.
I'm not sure why this myth keeps being propagated.

Its the same old propaganda that states easter is pagan, and that Christmas trees are demonic to have in church or homes

 

[Gerbolski]

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Hi Twistie, I am just mentioning this quote, just so to bring things within it's context.

When it it talking about let no man judge in respect to an holyday, it is in conjunction to what was nailed to the cross.

Col 2:14
(14) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Deu 31:24
(24) And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,


Deu 31:26
(26) Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

Moses was given God's real holy days, such as Passover, day of Atonement, etc.

Moses was never given Christmas or Easter, so those days, which are not part of God's true holy days, were not the things as mentioned as being nailed to the cross here, nor were they part of what God established.

But also the old man, was indeed crucified to the cross which shows in other verses, which the old man was an idolater.

So not judging concerning the holy days God gave to Moses, has to do with not judging concerning the observation of one of God's holy feasts, such as Passover etc., which if someone does, they have to make sure they do not do so as a commandment, and just in remembrance to what they point to.

Easter which comes from the word Ishtar, and Christmas, which comes from the Catholic mass, has no part with the holy days mentioned in Colossians.

 

[Twistie]

Hi Twistie, I am just mentioning this quote, just so to bring things within it's context.

When it it talking about let no man judge in respect to an holyday, it is in conjunction to what was nailed to the cross.

Col 2:14
(14) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Deu 31:24
(24) And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,


Deu 31:26
(26) Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

Moses was given God's real holy days, such as Passover, day of Atonement, etc.

Moses was never given Christmas or Easter, so those days, which are not part of God's true holy days, were not the things as mentioned as being nailed to the cross here, nor were they part of what God established.

But also the old man, was indeed crucified to the cross which shows in other verses, which the old man was an idolater.

So not judging concerning the holy days God gave to Moses, has to do with not judging concerning the observation of one of God's holy feasts, such as Passover etc., which if someone does, they have to make sure they do not do so as a commandment, and just in remembrance to what they point to.

Easter which comes from the word Ishtar, and Christmas, which comes from the Catholic mass, has no part with the holy days mentioned in Colossians.

Hmm I don't understand exactly what your trying to do.. put in context? Mean like when Satan told Eve That Abba don't mean what He says kinda thing is that what ya trying to do? Is saying God don't mean what He says..

I'm really shocked at how many hate the fact that people celebrate the Gift that Abba besties upon us .

But I will keep Listening to the Lord and Allow man to keep telling me what they think lol

Hope all's well!!

(⁠゜⁠o⁠゜⁠;

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

If a person decides to celebrate Christmas or Easter or whatever, nobody has a place or right to judge them...If a person decides they do not want to celebrate same...nobody has the right to judge them either. I personally do not celebrate it because of a lifetime of (a) working on Christmas (b) too many betrayals on Christmas, and on a few other factors....I do know about the demonic side of it, where pagans celebrate their crap...Every day of the year is dedicated to some demon or other...but...we as Christians have dominion in the Earth.....The days are ours not the demons....Do what you think is best.