Can God do evil?

[Gothedral]

What if the devil was God? Pure evil. Would you serve him? Yes or No answer please.

^ I am familiar with this notion. A work buddy insists that, "If the Bible is the word is the Word, then (Gen 3:1, 2Cor 4:4, & Rev 12:9) proves your god IS the Devil. aS aBoVe s0 beLoW" He said this to a young dude asking me about Jesus. Hahaha!
Is that not the very essence of the synagogue of Satan? The lower-case gods with the drama of the most dysfunctional humans perpetuating nothing but ills.

Maintaining the context of this thread, "Can God Do Evil?", I personally point out that one too many angels rebelled and manifested as Evil in the purest most perfect place in existence: Heaven. God created these angels and gave them work to do. The ones who rebelled did that on their own. I repeat, satan (the individual and the rebels collectively) did evil in the sight of The Lord.

Saying "the devil made me sin" is bearing false witness. A third of the host of Heaven made the stupid choice and Hell was meant for them. Cain and all anti-Christ to this very moment decided to give the Devil, Lucifer, Satan, (other evil entities names) such an accolade of power and control. NOT - GOD.

Then there's this verse as another argument:
KJV: Saint James chapter 4, verse 17 “Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.”

People who are demonically oppressed (sure, gaslit science) or possessed of devils typically get whiny and point to this as an excuse to go full chaos, as if there is no consequence. It is out of context. The responsibility is on us individually, and yes to wit, we are each other's keepers.

 

[KingJ]

The problem, isnt that anyone thinks God doesnt do evil.

It is. That is 100% the problem. When you teach that God is evil you fail at your one job of properly representing Him 2 Cor 5:20 to the lost that he loves and died for. And it is evidence that you do not know Him as every prophet in scripture has acknowledged His goodness.

Meditate on Psalm 145:17, Job 34:12 and 1 John 1:5. Was David, Job and John compelled by God to lie to us?

The problem is that we think God has to follow "our definition" of what evil is.

Incorrect.

God gave us our minds to judge what is good and evil. Imagine not using them.

Some "Christians", believe God is OK, with homosexuality, adultery, fornication, etc....

Incorrect.

Many call what is evil 'good' because they approve of it. Approving of it is 'will' driven. Not mind and conscience. In time your will numbs your conscience and your heart is hardened.

Homosexuality - God gave us eyes to see the difference between a male and female. To see a baby in a womb. Body parts that are functionally different.

When someone chooses to go against the natural cause for which they were created they KNOW that they are pulling the middle finger to their Creator. And.... everyone believes in a God. Nobody can look at intelligent design and not believe in one. All with working brains can see intelligent design all around them. All are without excuse Rom 1:20.

Adultery - God made it impossible to not feel guilt and pain from adultery. The connection established when you are together is very real. You are referencing people that have numbed their conscience. This is a mortal sin because of how much pain is inflicted on your spouse.

Fornication - God gave us a physical sign of a woman's virginity. Parents in a marriage covenant as a guide. This is not a mortal sin though. It could be possible for many to do it without having their conscience prick them. This sin could tick James 4:17.

Other Christians say God causes predestination, no free-will, and He causes people to sin.
If He doesn't then He is not sovereign and in control.

Scripture says that people look for teachers that teach what they like to hear 2 Tim 4:3.

As such, we must not be ignorant. There are two factors to consider here.

1. These teachers are clear false teachers. Knowing the truth and still teaching falsely. This could be for financial gain or because they want to live with their chosen lifestyle.

2. These members like and approve of this evil message.

God gave them, you and I working brains that can grasp how evil partiality by a God creator is. Anyone incriminating God at such a high level will have a very scary judgement day according to Matt 18:6.

What determines what makes God good or evil isn't up to us.

You are being intellectually dishonest. You are stating what 'sounds' right to make us swallow a TURD of '''God can be evil and we can't judge Him for it''. Stop this BAC, be better.

We have no say over it. (If we do, then we are God over Him).

Would you follow and serve the devil if he was god? Please understand that this is what you are insinuating.

The bottom line is.. does the Bible says God will do it? If it does, and we are against it.. then our definition of what is
good and righteous is wrong.

It really is that simple.

Absolutely false! A Christian should know that God is good and righteous in all His ways.

When you teach that '''this is what the bible says, I will teach it whether it incriminates God or not'' you are:

1. Failing epicly at your one Christian job of being a good ambassador for God 2 Cor 5:20.
2. Guilty of lazy exegesis.
3. Being a false teacher.
4. Not wielding the word of God with skill 2 Tim 2:15.
5. Likely not a Christian as a Christian would know that God is good and righteous in all His ways to the exclusion of none.

 

[KingJ]

Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass...

If a judge, after a hearing, decides a criminal deserves death by lethal injection, will you say it is a good or bad thing?

In the case you quoted, God judged them all as deserving the death penalty.

We need to focus on how the execution is performed. Fortunately in the US and my country we follow humane means of enforcing the death penalty. Lethal injection is a swift and mostly painless execution. Decapitation, is what happens when you are 'slain'. Also swift death. Noah's flood and Sodom's fires, also quick death.

Absolutely no evil following God's instructions as He is just. And absolutely no evil if enforcing the death penalty is done in a swift and humane manner.

 

[NBTT]

Incorrect.

God gave us our minds to judge what is good and evil. Imagine not using them.

I make errors. God does not.

PROV 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

 

[Dave M]

Imagine thinking you cannot judge God when He gave you a brain that can judge and know good and evil.

my freind, we are told to pray for discernment, not everyone has this gift.

And we have to realize we live in a cursed world and we are are sinful by nature, I do not trust my own judgment, Jesus warns us not Judge for what we judge one another we will be judged. And he also says most of us have logs in our eyes so that we can not see correctly anyways. You are in serios danger when you think you can judge.

But no one has changed your mind yet, so that is on you. No need to continue

I constantly pray for protection from my greatest enemy myself !!

 

[Twistie]

If a judge, after a hearing, decides a criminal deserves death by lethal injection, will you say it is a good or bad thing?

In the case you quoted, God judged them all as deserving the death penalty.

We need to focus on how the execution is performed. Fortunately in the US and my country we follow humane means of enforcing the death penalty. Lethal injection is a swift and mostly painless execution. Decapitation, is what happens when you are 'slain'. Also swift death. Noah's flood and Sodom's fires, also quick death.

Absolutely no evil following God's instructions as He is just. And absolutely no evil if enforcing the death penalty is done in a swift and humane manner.

Ya you just don't get it..the Lord sets those in charge He says to follow the laws of the Land would I kill another I may depend on the situation would you obey the Lord no matter what He told you to do ..

If a judge, after a hearing, decides a criminal deserves death by lethal injection, will you say it is a good or bad thing?

In the case you quoted, God judged them all as deserving the death penalty.

We need to focus on how the execution is performed. Fortunately in the US and my country we follow humane means of enforcing the death penalty. Lethal injection is a swift and mostly painless execution. Decapitation, is what happens when you are 'slain'. Also swift death. Noah's flood and Sodom's fires, also quick death.

Absolutely no evil following God's instructions as He is just. And absolutely no evil if enforcing the death penalty is done in a swift and humane manner.

 

[Twistie]

If a judge, after a hearing, decides a criminal deserves death by lethal injection, will you say it is a good or bad thing?

In the case you quoted, God judged them all as deserving the death penalty.

We need to focus on how the execution is performed. Fortunately in the US and my country we follow humane means of enforcing the death penalty. Lethal injection is a swift and mostly painless execution. Decapitation, is what happens when you are 'slain'. Also swift death. Noah's flood and Sodom's fires, also quick death.

Absolutely no evil following God's instructions as He is just. And absolutely no evil if enforcing the death penalty is done in a swift and humane manner.

Here is a question for you..
A man left one state traveled to another..got in touch with a man a military man..went to mans home..stabbed n shot the man in his home..then proceeded to pull the mans body into the middle of the street soaked him with gasoline n then set him ablaze because he was mad at him..
Tell me what do you think should happen to this man..mind you this is not the first time he has been arrested for his disturbing violent behavior..

That's is a true story that's what my pop did to another n that's just a smidge of the pain he left behind..

So to ask would I pull the handle to kill another yea I would do you think about the carnage the evil ones leave behind?

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[Dave M]

King J would you consider killing a baby evil??

@KingJ please explain how you Judge God for doing so several times in the bible, David's baby with Bathsheba, all the first born of Egypt.

My stance is I got no right to judge God, and God is good, I do not need to know everything to trust God I trust him like a child trust his father.
I want to make sure I am clear I do not judge God nor do I think he can do evil.

 

[joestue]

@KingJ please explain how you Judge God for doing so several times in the bible, David's baby with Bathsheba, all the first born of Egypt.

there is a very simple solution to the problem of 2/3rds of the human race dies in misscarriages and after birth, a 50% 0-5 year survival rate:
innocent souls get recycled. reborn again. some of them remember their moms.. sometimes, their prior mom is still alive and.. they know each other. it doesn't take long if you're interested in hearing these stories, God might let you hear first hand testimony. its not that rare.

 

[KingJ]

I make errors. God does not.

PROV 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

That is irrelevant to anything I posted. We don't ''judge God'' because we think He makes errors.

 

[KingJ]

my freind, we are told to pray for discernment, not everyone has this gift.

You don't need a gift to judge or use your brain.

It is fine to pray for discernment, you could also not pray for it and just meditate more on a topic .

And we have to realize we live in a cursed world and we are are sinful by nature, I do not trust my own judgment, Jesus warns us not Judge for what we judge one another we will be judged. And he also says most of us have logs in our eyes so that we can not see correctly anyways. You are in serios danger when you think you can judge.

Separate topic. The judgement you are quoting from Jesus has to do with sentencing. The adulterer was about to be stoned to death.

Jesus did not teach ''do not judge''.

Please read the OP here: Are Christians to judge others?

But no one has changed your mind yet, so that is on you. No need to continue

I have yet to hear a sound rebuttal. You guys are illogical and all over the show. Just have a look at your statements here in this post.

 

[KingJ]

Ya you just don't get it..the Lord sets those in charge He says to follow the laws of the Land would I kill another I may depend on the situation

Not sure of what your point is in response to my post?

would you obey the Lord no matter what He told you to do ..

Not a chance. I am not at the same calibre as Abraham. God would always have to “baby” me .

 

[KingJ]

A man left one state traveled to another..got in touch with a man a military man..went to mans home..stabbed n shot the man in his home..then proceeded to pull the mans body into the middle of the street soaked him with gasoline n then set him ablaze because he was mad at him..
Tell me what do you think should happen to this man..mind you this is not the first time he has been arrested for his disturbing violent behavior..

That's is a true story that's what my pop did to another n that's just a smidge of the pain he left behind..

So to ask would I pull the handle to kill another yea I would do you think about the carnage the evil ones leave behind?

¯⁠\⁠_⁠ʘ⁠‿⁠ʘ⁠_⁠/⁠¯

Well, there is what I would do and then there is what God would do. Both of us would be just, but only God can see the true A-Z of the criminals mind and heart as Jer 17:9-11 says.

I would, arrest, send to court for a hearing. If guilty, life sentence or death by lethal injection. God further punishes all in hell but in a manner that all good people will approve of. As I explain in the OP here: What to expect in hell

 

[KingJ]

@KingJ please explain how you Judge God for doing so several times in the bible, David's baby with Bathsheba, all the first born of Egypt.

Please can you be specific, which one of the 'several' do you want judged?

My stance is I got no right to judge God, and God is good,

You say you have no right to judge Him and then immediately after, you say He is good. That is a judgement of Him .

I do not need to know everything to trust God I trust him like a child trust his father.

If you see your father do evil things will you trust him?

I want to make sure I am clear I do not judge God nor do I think he can do evil.

Again, you say you do not judge Him and then make a judgement of Him, 'He can do no evil''.

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You are correct God cannot do evil. God is who He is and who He is is righteous in all His ways.

Now you and many others just need to apply this fact to personal views you hold to on contentious topics that clearly incriminate Him. Misrepresent Him as evil.

Imagine meeting God one day and saying '''Yes God, I knew you were good, and even though I did, I still taught others that you are evil''.

No Rapture = evil, Non-OSAS = evil, Torturous hell = evil.

 

[KingJ]

there is a very simple solution to the problem of 2/3rds of the human race dies in misscarriages and after birth, a 50% 0-5 year survival rate:
innocent souls get recycled. reborn again. some of them remember their moms.. sometimes, their prior mom is still alive and.. they know each other. it doesn't take long if you're interested in hearing these stories, God might let you hear first hand testimony. its not that rare.

Reincarnation is something demon possessed people experience. Demons brings all their memories of people they have previously possessed.

Scripture is crystal clear that babies belong to the Lord Eph 6:1-4 and that the coming millennium of peace will be a perfect time for them to come back to earth, to grow up and be tested as the devil is released at the end of it Rev 20:3.

 

[NBTT]

Imagine thinking you cannot judge God when He gave you a brain that can judge and know good and evil.

That is irrelevant to anything I posted. We don't ''judge God'' because we think He makes errors.

I make errors and unless you are perfect so do you. Imperfection can not judge perfection.

 

[Twistie]

Well, there is what I would do and then there is what God would do. Both of us would be just, but only God can see the true A-Z of the criminals mind and heart as Jer 17:9-11 says.

I would, arrest, send to court for a hearing. If guilty, life sentence or death by lethal injection. God further punishes all in hell but in a manner that all good people will approve of. As I explain in the OP here: What to expect in hell

Oh he is guilty of much more then that n ya know why he was able to do it . because his momma had pull in the govt and a bunch of bleeding hearts that thought it was ok that he beat those around that he shattered the jaws of people who tried to intervene..they thought it was okay he was on the streets looking to murder me..all that was ok..

N that's what's is going on today all these illegals they were left in unvetted n the criminals let go with a slap in a wrists.

Ya asked would I kill someone if a judge or jury said to I would not have a problem doing so as long as my spirit new he was guilty n to be quite frank I'd have no problem doing so if one came to hurt one of mine .the last time the Lord made sure there was a person to stop me..so I see it as if it is in the Will of the Lord that in my walk that I would kill them so be it..to be honest I've already killed one innocent so killing evil wouldn't phase me much ..

I am just human ya know

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[joestue]

and that the coming millennium of peace will be a perfect time for them to come back to earth, to grow up and be tested as the devil is released at the end of it Rev 20:3.

no, that's something you made up completely.

and, they would be coming back as infants born of someone anyways, since God doesn't teleport full grown persons to this planet. everyone gets here the same way, even Jesus on his first time.


the combination of prophecies is pretty clear from a clear reading of the time line, those who were murdered for their testimony of Jesus are the only people "coming back" when Jesus returns. and they will not die again, but will live the entire 1000 years+ in their new bodies, of which the old ones are still in the ground.

the rest of both the Christians and the non Christians have to wait for their resurrection till after the 1000 years.

the resurrection of the OT saints has already happened in Matt 27:53. -satan makes fun of it with our endless zombie apocalypse movies and memes. so its possible they will return as well for the 1000 years, but i'm not sure its required, or would they want to.

 

[farmerjoe]

no, that's something you made up completely.

and, they would be coming back as infants born of someone anyways, since God doesn't teleport full grown persons to this planet. everyone gets here the same way, even Jesus on his first time.


the combination of prophecies is pretty clear from a clear reading of the time line, those who were murdered for their testimony of Jesus are the only people "coming back" when Jesus returns. and they will not die again, but will live the entire 1000 years+ in their new bodies, of which the old ones are still in the ground.

the rest of both the Christians and the non Christians have to wait for their resurrection till after the 1000 years.

the resurrection of the OT saints has already happened in Matt 27:53. -satan makes fun of it with our endless zombie apocalypse movies and memes. so its possible they will return as well for the 1000 years, but i'm not sure its required, or would they want to.

Are you saying that resurrected or raptured believers come back to earth when Christ returns? What scripture passage says that?

 

[B-A-C]

Are you saying that resurrected or raptured believers come back to earth when Christ returns? What scripture passage says that?

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
Rev 20:3 and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.
Rev 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

Rev 5:9 And they *sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.
Rev 5:10 "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth."
Rev 5:11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands,

Scripture shows that resurrected/raptured believers return with Christ when He comes, and that our eternal dwelling is not heaven, but the New Jerusalem, which comes out of heaven.

Believers return with Christ at His coming

1 Thess 3:13 — Jesus comes with all His saints

1 Thess 4:14 — God brings the dead in Christ with Him

Rev 19:14 — The armies in heaven (the saints, v. 8) follow Christ when He returns

Believers are resurrected/transformed at His coming

1 Thess 4:16–17

1 Cor 15:52

Believers reign with Christ

Rev 20:4–6 — They come to life and reign with Christ for 1,000 years

Rev 5:10 — They will reign on the earth (location stated here, not in Rev 20)

The New Jerusalem is not heaven

Rev 21:2 — The New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven

Therefore it is distinct from heaven

God and the Lamb dwell in the New Jerusalem

Rev 21:3 — God’s dwelling is with men

Rev 21:22–23 — The Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple and its light

Believers dwell there with Him forever

Rev 21:7 — The overcomer inherits these things

Rev 22:3–5 — His servants serve Him, see His face, and reign forever

Conclusion
Scripture never says believers spend eternity “in heaven.”
It says God brings the New Jerusalem out of heaven, and that He and the Lamb dwell there with resurrected humanity forever.

We may visit heaven for a while, but its not the final destination.