WATER BAPTISM ISN'T FOR US

[DougE]

Jesus Himself said “make disciples of all nations, baptizing them” (Matthew 28:19). That alone debunks your argumen

Matthew 28:19 was relinquished in Galatians 2:9 when they decided to only go to the Jews

 

[DougE]

Second, Acts 10 actually proves your statement wrong in practice, not supports it. Cornelius and his household were Gentiles, received the Holy Spirit, and were then immediately baptized in water (Acts 10:47–48). Peter did not say, “this is only for Israel,” but explicitly commanded Gentile baptism.

Israel was diminishing in Acts and God was turning to Gentiles

 

[DougE]

Finally, the idea that baptism is only for an “earthly kingdom Israel program” ignores that the Great Commission was given after the resurrection to the apostles as a global mission. There is no verse that restricts baptism back to ethnic Israel after Christ’s resurrection.

I see Matthew 28:19 as being directed to them baptizing Gentiles in the millennial kingdom

 

[Twistie]

And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.

And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve

I presume some think they are above the Lord Himself..

One can call themselves a follower all they want but a Hypocrite will be a hypocrite n this post shows what the person who posted this is


But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die

Satan n his minions will always try to get people to do what they shall not n not do what they should..

Why discernment is very very important in these times..

Many deceiving Spirits out here..


ᕙ⁠[⁠･⁠۝･⁠]⁠ᕗ

 

[Twistie]

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

 

[KingJ]

In principle?
I know of no verse that says Gentiles were baptized before Acts 10

You seem willing to build entire doctrines from implication and selective framing. Now you suddenly narrow the discussion to technicalities and isolated historical moments. You are coming across very biased and intellectually dishonest.

Regarding my statement “in principle,” I was not claiming Gentiles were historically receiving baptism before Acts 10. I was saying the theological foundation and intention for Gentile inclusion already existed before Acts 10, even if the apostles themselves had not yet fully understood it.

Jesus had already commanded:

Matthew 28:19: “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them...”

That command existed before Acts 10.

So Acts 10 was not God inventing Gentile baptism for the first time. It was Peter finally understanding what Jesus had already commissioned.

That is why Peter says: “God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.” (Acts 10:28)

The limitation was in Peter’s understanding, not in God’s plan.

Even before Acts 10, Jesus repeatedly hinted toward Gentile inclusion:

• the Roman centurion,
• the Syrophoenician woman,
• “many shall come from the east and west,”
• “other sheep I have, which are not of this fold.”

Acts 10 is therefore the unveiling of an already-existing plan, not the creation of a brand new Gentile program.

 

[KingJ]

Matthew 28:19 was relinquished in Galatians 2:9 when they decided to only go to the Jews

Galatians 2:9 does not say the apostles “relinquished” or cancelled the Great Commission. It says there was a division of primary ministry focus:

• Paul primarily to the Gentiles,
• Peter and the others primarily to the Jews.

Primary focus is not exclusive limitation.

If your interpretation were true, then Peter would have been wrong to go to Cornelius in Acts 10, because Cornelius was a Gentile. Yet Peter did go, preached Christ to Gentiles, saw the Holy Spirit fall on them, and then commanded them to be water baptized.

That alone disproves your interpretation.

Galatians 2:9: “They gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.”

Notice:

• it does NOT say “only,”
• it does NOT revoke Matthew 28:19,
• it does NOT abolish baptism,
• it does NOT say Gentiles cannot be discipled by the apostles.

It is simply recognizing ministry emphasis and practicality.

In fact, your interpretation creates a direct contradiction with Jesus Himself.

Jesus said: Matthew 28:19: “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them...”

“All nations” includes Jews and Gentiles.

For Galatians 2:9 to “relinquish” that command, you would need an explicit verse saying Christ’s command was cancelled. No such verse exists.

And again, Acts itself disproves your view:

• Peter preached to Gentiles.
• Peter baptized Gentiles.
• The Jerusalem church eventually accepted Gentile salvation.
• Paul himself baptized converts.

The apostles did not abandon the Great Commission. They divided labor within the Great Commission.

 

[KingJ]

I see Matthew 28:19 as being directed to them baptizing Gentiles in the millennial kingdom

Matthew 28:19 says nothing about the millennial kingdom. If you teach that you are adding to scripture what is not there.

Jesus gave that command immediately after His resurrection and immediately before the apostles began their ministry in Acts. The natural reading is that it applied to their present mission.

If it was only for the future millennium, then why were people immediately being baptized throughout Acts?

• the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8,
• Cornelius and the Gentiles in Acts 10,
• the Philippian jailer in Acts 16.

The apostles were already carrying out Matthew 28 in real time.

 

[DougE]

Matthew 28:19 says nothing about the millennial kingdom. If you teach that you are adding to scripture what is not there.

I her this cliche all the time
It isnt adding to scripture to offer a view on scripture

I am not being dogmatic about Matthew 28:19
I am just noting it wasnt fulfilled and may be in the millennial kingdom

 

[DougE]

Primary focus is not exclusive limitation.

"we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision." doesnt sound like primarily unto to me

 

[DougE]

If your interpretation were true, then Peter would have been wrong to go to Cornelius in Acts 10, because Cornelius was a Gentile. Yet Peter did go, preached Christ to Gentiles, saw the Holy Spirit fall on them, and then commanded them to be water baptized.

[Acts 10:2 KJV] "[A] devout [man], and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway." ************ actually Cornelius was a Jewish proselyte

[Acts 10:27 KJV] "And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together." ************* Peter didnt go to the Gentiles they were among those he spoke to

 

[DougE]

it does NOT say “only,”

Galatians 2:9 doesnt say mainly either

 

[DougE]

For Galatians 2:9 to “relinquish” that command, you would need an explicit verse saying Christ’s command was cancelled. No such verse exists.

Galatians 2:9 does exactly that
Peter was no longer going to the Gentiles

 

[DougE]

You seem willing to build entire doctrines from implication and selective framing. Now you suddenly narrow the discussion to technicalities and isolated historical moments. You are coming across very biased and intellectually dishonest.

Regarding my statement “in principle,” I was not claiming Gentiles were historically receiving baptism before Acts 10. I was saying the theological foundation and intention for Gentile inclusion already existed before Acts 10, even if the apostles themselves had not yet fully understood it.

Jesus had already commanded:

Matthew 28:19: “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them...”

That command existed before Acts 10.

So Acts 10 was not God inventing Gentile baptism for the first time. It was Peter finally understanding what Jesus had already commissioned.

That is why Peter says: “God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.” (Acts 10:28)

The limitation was in Peter’s understanding, not in God’s plan.

Even before Acts 10, Jesus repeatedly hinted toward Gentile inclusion:

• the Roman centurion,
• the Syrophoenician woman,
• “many shall come from the east and west,”
• “other sheep I have, which are not of this fold.”

Acts 10 is therefore the unveiling of an already-existing plan, not the creation of a brand new Gentile program.

Gentiles being saved wasnt by Matthew 28:19 as this post will show
THE SAVED GENTILES IN ACTS 10

 

[Twistie]

Be careful of this deceiving Spirit

Its telling you what it is..

┌⁠(⁠・⁠。⁠・⁠)⁠┘⁠♪

 

[DougE]

“other sheep I have, which are not of this fold.”

The other sheep are the scattered believing Jews

 

[KingJ]

I her this cliche all the time
It isnt adding to scripture to offer a view on scripture

I am not being dogmatic about Matthew 28:19
I am just noting it wasnt fulfilled and may be in the millennial kingdom

You are evading the scripture and point raised. Keeping to your inserted assumption.

That is false teaching.

 

[Twistie]

You are evading the scripture and point raised. Keeping to your inserted assumption.

That is false teaching.

He is blaspheming the Holy Spirit..

Woe unto Him

 

[DougE]

You are evading the scripture and point raised. Keeping to your inserted assumption.

That is false teaching.

[Matthew 28:19 KJV] "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
[Matthew 28:20 KJV] "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen."

In the millennial kingdom all Gentiles will be blessed. Israel will bring the Gentiles to the Lord in the kingdom. *********** [Isaiah 60:3 KJV] "And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising."
[Zechariah 8:23 KJV] "Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days [it shall come to pass], that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard [that] God [is] with you."

 

[KingJ]

[Matthew 28:19 KJV] "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
[Matthew 28:20 KJV] "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen."

In the millennial kingdom all Gentiles will be blessed. Israel will bring the Gentiles to the Lord in the kingdom. *********** [Isaiah 60:3 KJV] "And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising."
[Zechariah 8:23 KJV] "Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days [it shall come to pass], that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard [that] God [is] with you."

You still are not directly addressing the core issue.

Nobody denies that Gentiles will be blessed in the millennial kingdom. Isaiah 60 and Zechariah 8 absolutely speak about that.

But those verses do not prove Matthew 28 was postponed to the millennium.

You are taking future kingdom prophecies and then reading them back into Matthew 28 without Jesus ever saying that.

The problem is that the apostles immediately began carrying out Matthew 28 in Acts:

• preaching,
• making disciples,
• baptizing converts.

That means the commission was already active.

If Matthew 28 was only for the future kingdom, then the apostles were prematurely obeying a command supposedly meant for another age.

And again, Acts 10 destroys the limitation theory because Peter literally baptized Gentile believers in the present age, not in the millennium.

So yes, Gentiles will be blessed in the kingdom. But that does not remotely prove the Great Commission was postponed until then.