Nephillim

[JunoTheServant]

I don't think we should dismiss 1 Enoch so quickly. While I don't consider it Scripture, it was highly respected by many Jews before the time of Christ, and Jude even quotes from it in Jude 14 to 15. That doesn't make the whole book inspired, but it does show it was taken seriously.

Also, the angelic view of Genesis 6 doesn't stand or fall on 1 Enoch. People held that interpretation because of the biblical text itself, such as the use of "sons of God" in Job, and the connections many see in Jude and 2 Peter.

So I think it's better to discuss whether Genesis 6 teaches that view, rather than dismissing it simply because 1 Enoch isn't part of the biblical canon.

Many Jews cared nothing for the word of God. I already highlighted what occurred using the bible. The bible answers itself, it don't need help, God knows what he is doing.

I have one question for you.....Have you actually read the book of Enoch??

I don't think anyone is saying fallen angels gained new abilities after rebelling. The question is whether Scripture teaches they could misuse abilities they already had.

Regarding Jude 6 to 7, I agree the men of Sodom committed sexual immorality. The reason many connect the angels to Genesis 6 is because Jude seems to compare the angels' sin with the sin of Sodom by saying "likewise" or "in a similar manner." You may disagree with that interpretation, but it's a legitimate biblical argument, not something people have simply invented.

That's why I don't think the angelic view can be dismissed quite so easily.

They don't have the ability to marry because Jesus already said that they don't. All angels were holy, even Satan himself. All angels are from heaven that's why Satan wants to go back because that's his home. Satan decided to corrupt himself and he took a 1/3 of the angels with him. They were all created together, they all have the same capabilities. If evil angels can marry then you are literally saying that holy angels can marry and if you are saying that then you are calling Jesus a liar.

Matthew 22: 30
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Go back to Genesis 1, everything was made after it's kind. You can only reproduce with your kind. Angels don't die but humans do. Angels and mankind can't procreate for the same reason a human and a dog can't procreate.

 

[JunoTheServant]

which is of no regard to limiting what is, or isn't possible.

I am concerned there will be another rebellion in heaven.

the bible doesn't say there will not be.

in fact there is nothing in the bible that says anything isn't possible. it simply says for God anything is possible. and there is something impossible: can't get out of hell. "a great chasim is fixed" etc. -but we had to wait 4000+ years for Jesus to show up to tell us the ONLY one thing the bible says isn't possible.

last year i had what felt like a 4 hour long experience where i separated a human spirit which was intermingled with a demon.
I asked on a christian subreddit if anyone knew what i was talking about, got basically two replies of "yes" and.. nothing more.

You should be concern about not getting yourself into that lake of fire. In fact we all should be concerned about that. The bible clearly states the wicked can not get out.

As for your experience with demons, I don't know. I teach what I know and understand from the bible because that's what we all will be judge by. Not by what I think nor what you think. So I suggest you stop worrying about what God didn't tell us and worry about what he did tell us because if you or I ignore God's instructions none of us will like the result.

 

[joestue]

I teach what I know and understand from the bible because that's what we all will be judge by.

We will be judged by Jesus and our own conscience with regard to what we already knew was right and wrong.

God will not be held responsible for miss translations, and human arguments over such and such being permissible or not.

 

[th1bill]

According to Enoch they did

200 heavenly beings saw human women, lusted after them, and descended to Mount Hermon to take them as wives, resulting in the creation of the giant Nephilim..

Tho many believe only the books man said are the Word of God..
I presume that why it is written those who have ears Hear what the Lord says..

Many stay on the boat then there are those who walk on the waters and allow Abba to guide them..

One either believe the Word or they don't and they tweek it to fit their own beliefs..

Hope alls well

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Enoch was not written by him and did not make either the Jewish nr the Christian Cannons, it is fiction.

 

[th1bill]

1. I don't believe the spirit realm is far removed from the physical.

Scripture describes God's throne as being surrounded by glorious stones. Satan as being adorned with precious stones (topaz, diamond, beryl, nine stones in total).

• Jesus returns on a white horse (Revelation 19:11–16).
• The armies of heaven also ride white horses (Revelation 19:14).
• Angels eat food with Abraham (Genesis 18:1–8).
• The two angels eat with Lot (Genesis 19:1–3).
• Jacob physically wrestles with a heavenly being (Genesis 32:24–30).
• An angel opens prison doors for Peter (Acts 12:6–11).
• An angel rolls away the stone from Jesus' tomb (Matthew 28:2).
• An angel strikes Herod, and he dies (Acts 12:23)

2. Humans are creations just beneath the angels Heb 2:7.

We share very similar interests.

3. Humans love creating things.

Creating things is 'image of God 101' as God I believe is always busy creating something. Just look at the size of the universe.

Conclusion:

I believe demons create many things and share similar interest to us. UFO's, green aliens, mermaids, vampires, certain dinosaurs and werewolves are all their creations. I also believe they find pleasure in harassing us. Alien abductions, rape of woman, spells, magic, all real and possible. If and only if you invite them in.

When society is very evil, they are by default invited in. This is why they mingled with mankind at the time of the flood. This is why we are seeing them now and soon in the tribulation they will mingle with mankind once more.

I cannot see the Fallen Angles in the flesh and nothing in Scripture demonstrates them creating. This reminds me of a joke with great truth in the humor. In short; The scientist told God he would create a man. Reaching down he scooped a handful of dirt. God exclaimed, "Oh no, that's my dirt, create your own!" Humans discover, not create in the sense God does.

 

[Twistie]

Enoch was not written by him and did not make either the Jewish nr the Christian Cannons, it is fiction.

Idk who did what to be quite honest i been following the Lord.. He is able to make sense of everything for me ya know..man just adds and takes away..i find things very simple when i follow His way so to me what man thinks don't affect me in Following and seeking the Lord in everything i can..for it is written
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Does that mean that this boom or that book is true false half truths idk
But the Lord will lead me in any way that i need to go ya know?


I thank you tho for your concern and mean no disrespect but the Lord is my shepherd..

I have major trust issues with man my walk in the world taught me much n ive seen much

Hope alls well!

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[th1bill]

Idk who did what to be quite honest i been following the Lord.. He is able to make sense of everything for me ya know..man just adds and takes away..i find things very simple when i follow His way so to me what man thinks don't affect me in Following and seeking the Lord in everything i can..for it is written
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Does that mean that this boom or that book is true false half truths idk
But the Lord will lead me in any way that i need to go ya know?


I thank you tho for your concern and mean no disrespect but the Lord is my shepherd..

I have major trust issues with man my walk in the world taught me much n ive seen much
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Hope alls well!

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We are also instructed to test the spirits and the test standard is Scripture. Simply put, Yehovah Jireh did not lead men to include many book and letters, hence, they are not important to Believers.

 

[Twistie]

We are also instructed to test the spirits and the test standard is Scripture. Simply put, Yehovah Jireh did not lead men to include many book and letters, hence, they are not important to Believers.

Perhaps not for you.. idk He also tells us to keep seeking..see i dont get why one would wanna stop another from seeking and being taught by the Lord.. i believe thats just because that is what man has taught you to do.. see anything i have been taught and have been shown is by the Lord and the Lord alone.. perhaps you dont need to know what i need to know to do what ever it is i will need to do or perhaps to show me how people try n deceive.. Only One Teacher iron is to sharpen iron not to stop it from becoming sharp ya know..

If i never explore what man tells me ill never be able to test it.. so to say you know is all grand but that dont do nothing for me ya know?

Any who hope alls well