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Things that will keep you out of Heaven.

If we do works thinking it is necessary for salvation, our work cancels out God's grace. The Apostle Paul was very clear on that.

In the old covenant, working on the sabbath incurred the death penalty. Likewise in the new covenant of grace, where we have continual sabbath rest in Jesus' blood, working will also result in (spiritual) death.

Am I saying Christians shouldn't do good works? Of course not. What I am saying, is if someone is working as part of salvation, because he somehow doesn't think what Jesus accomplished for us is enough, i.e. that He saved us to the utmost, then all he has is works and no salvation.

Faith alone, in Christ alone, people! You are not saved by doing good works, nor by doing these things to maintain your salvation.
The Bible states plainly, “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast” (Ephesians 2:8–9).

Salvation depends solely on what Christ has accomplished, not on anything you do or don't do.

Important to state that saving faith required (Rom 10:9) is gifted by God (1 Cor 12:3) to those who truthfully repent. Once truly saved, always saved.

I agree that we can no longer work for salvation. Teaching we must leads to heresy and a whole host of other issues. Chiefest being a gross misrepresentation of God in that it suggests He is unjust. He can gift eternal bliss to the criminal next to Him on the cross but someone who does the same / is saved, serves ten years and in the eleventh falls from grace can go to eternal damnation = gross injustice. Never saved in the first place = just. There is simply no way around it. You can argue this extremely logical fact over 1000 pages and will still not be able to persuade some. Scripture is crystal clear that God is just. Job 34:12 It is unthinkable that God pervert justice.

You will find many Christians not agreeing with OSAS. It is not really the end of the world as we do have common ground on ''no unrepentant sinner will be in heaven'' 1 Cor 6:9-12.
 
Jas 2:24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

There is a verse that says NOT faith alone, can you show me a verse that says "faith alone"? Or are you making up this up
and adding "alone" in a verse where it doesn't exist?

Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

James 2:24 is one verse where the Greek and context really matters.




1. The core issue:​

James 2:24 (ESV):

“You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.”

The tension only exists if we assume:
  • “justified” = declared righteous before God
  • “faith” = saving faith
James is not using the terms the same way Paul does.

Greek matters here​


The word dikaioō (“justify”) has more than one legitimate biblical usage:

  1. Forensic / declarative justification before God
    – Paul’s usage (Romans 3–5)
  2. Demonstrative / evidential justification before people
    – James’ usage (James 2)

Jesus Himself uses dikaioō this second way:

“Wisdom is justified by her works” (Matt 11:19)

Wisdom isn’t saved by works—she’s shown to be right.

That is exactly how James is using the term.



2. James’ audience and concern​


James is writing to professing believers (James 1:2; 2:1) who:
  • Claim faith
  • Show no transformation
  • Exhibit favoritism and dead orthodoxy

His concern is not how one gets saved, but how genuine faith is recognized.

Key verse:
“What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?” (James 2:14)

The Greek construction implies:
“Can that kind of faith save him?”

James is attacking empty profession, not true faith.



3. “Faith alone” — James vs Paul​


This is crucial:

Paul says:​

“Justified by faith apart from works” (Rom 3:28)

Paul is answering:
How is a sinner declared righteous before God?

James says:​

“Not by faith alone”

James is answering:
How is faith shown to be real rather than dead?

James uses “faith alone” to mean:
Intellectual assent without regeneration

That is not what Paul means by “faith”.

James proves this explicitly:
“Even the demons believe—and shudder” (James 2:19)

Demons have belief but not saving faith.



4. Abraham proves James is not denying OSAS​


James uses Abraham deliberately.


James 2:21:
“Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac?”

But Abraham was declared righteous decades earlier:
“Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness” (Gen 15:6)

Paul explicitly anchors justification there (Rom 4:1–5).

So James cannot be talking about initial justification.

What happened in Genesis 22?
  • Abraham’s faith was proven
  • His righteousness was manifest
  • His faith was brought to maturity (James 2:22)

James even says:

“You see that faith was working with his works, and faith was completed by his works.”

Completed ≠ created
Proven ≠ granted



5. James aligns with Jeremiah 17:9–11 (your insight is correct)​


You are absolutely right to bring in Jeremiah 17.

God judges:
  • Heart
  • Mind
  • Intent

Humans cannot.

So what do humans see?
  • Works

James is saying:

Since humans cannot see the heart, faith must be shown.

This aligns perfectly with:
  • Luke 5:32 (repentance unto life)
  • Romans 10:9 (confession flowing from belief)
  • 1 Corinthians 12:3 (Spirit-enabled confession)

James is dealing with human epistemology, not divine soteriology.



6. OSAS is not threatened—it's actually reinforced​


If salvation depended on works:
  • God’s omniscience would be irrelevant
  • Grace would be conditional
  • Assurance would be impossible

James does not teach:
“Works keep you saved”

He teaches:
“Works reveal whether faith is alive”

Dead faith ≠ lost faith
Dead faith = never saving faith to begin with


This is fully consistent with:
  • John 10:28–29
  • Romans 8:30
  • Ephesians 1:13–14



7. Summary (plainly stated)​

  • James 2:24 is not about how one is saved
  • It is about how faith is demonstrated
  • “Justified” means vindicated before others
  • James assumes God alone judges the heart
  • OSAS remains intact in context
 
Works isn't the salvation, what works is, is the Fulfillment of your Christian obligations.

I understand what works are for, why we do them, etc. Romans 12 says its our reasonable duty to give ourselves wholly to God. So working for God is good. It is usually a natural inclination for a child of God.

But there is a difference between those who are lead by the Spirit to do good works (re: Philippians 2:13), and those that are grace plus works for salvation believers, who are motivated to do good things by a self-centered need to add to, complete, or maintain their salvation, for fear of losing what they’ve been given.

Ultimately salvation becomes more dependent on their maintaining their works than the Lord’s grace, because in this belief system they can never be sure they’ve done enough, and their hearts are never at rest.
 
Important to state that saving faith required (Rom 10:9) is gifted by God (1 Cor 12:3) to those who truthfully repent. Once truly saved, always saved.

I agree that we can no longer work for salvation. Teaching we must leads to heresy and a whole host of other issues. Chiefest being a gross misrepresentation of God in that it suggests He is unjust. He can gift eternal bliss to the criminal next to Him on the cross but someone who does the same / is saved, serves ten years and in the eleventh falls from grace can go to eternal damnation = gross injustice. Never saved in the first place = just. There is simply no way around it. You can argue this extremely logical fact over 1000 pages and will still not be able to persuade some. Scripture is crystal clear that God is just. Job 34:12 It is unthinkable that God pervert justice.

You will find many Christians not agreeing with OSAS. It is not really the end of the world as we do have common ground on ''no unrepentant sinner will be in heaven'' 1 Cor 6:9-12.
May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

Even the thief on the cross repented, repented in a way where he stated that he knew that he was being put to death for his crime.

But something that was also done by the thief on the cross which is very important, because we all have to do this to enter Heaven. He was compassionate towards Jesus. Compassion being a form of love.

You have to have love to enter Heaven

Jesus tells us, that no one can go to the father but through him. Going through Jesus means one thing it means receiving Jesus. And what is Jesus, what is God. God is love. That's what the scripture says God is love

So even in the simple compassion of the thief towards Jesus, there was love present. That's why the thief could go to heaven, because love was found in him.
 
James 2:24 is one verse where the Greek and context really matters.




1. The core issue:​

James 2:24 (ESV):



The tension only exists if we assume:
  • “justified” = declared righteous before God
  • “faith” = saving faith
James is not using the terms the same way Paul does.

Greek matters here​


The word dikaioō (“justify”) has more than one legitimate biblical usage:

  1. Forensic / declarative justification before God
    – Paul’s usage (Romans 3–5)
  2. Demonstrative / evidential justification before people
    – James’ usage (James 2)

Jesus Himself uses dikaioō this second way:



Wisdom isn’t saved by works—she’s shown to be right.

That is exactly how James is using the term.



2. James’ audience and concern​


James is writing to professing believers (James 1:2; 2:1) who:
  • Claim faith
  • Show no transformation
  • Exhibit favoritism and dead orthodoxy

His concern is not how one gets saved, but how genuine faith is recognized.

Key verse:


The Greek construction implies:


James is attacking empty profession, not true faith.



3. “Faith alone” — James vs Paul​


This is crucial:

Paul says:​



Paul is answering:


James says:​



James is answering:


James uses “faith alone” to mean:


That is not what Paul means by “faith”.

James proves this explicitly:


Demons have belief but not saving faith.



4. Abraham proves James is not denying OSAS​


James uses Abraham deliberately.


James 2:21:


But Abraham was declared righteous decades earlier:


Paul explicitly anchors justification there (Rom 4:1–5).

So James cannot be talking about initial justification.

What happened in Genesis 22?
  • Abraham’s faith was proven
  • His righteousness was manifest
  • His faith was brought to maturity (James 2:22)

James even says:



Completed ≠ created
Proven ≠ granted



5. James aligns with Jeremiah 17:9–11 (your insight is correct)​


You are absolutely right to bring in Jeremiah 17.

God judges:
  • Heart
  • Mind
  • Intent

Humans cannot.

So what do humans see?
  • Works

James is saying:



This aligns perfectly with:
  • Luke 5:32 (repentance unto life)
  • Romans 10:9 (confession flowing from belief)
  • 1 Corinthians 12:3 (Spirit-enabled confession)

James is dealing with human epistemology, not divine soteriology.



6. OSAS is not threatened—it's actually reinforced​


If salvation depended on works:
  • God’s omniscience would be irrelevant
  • Grace would be conditional
  • Assurance would be impossible

James does not teach:


He teaches:


Dead faith ≠ lost faith
Dead faith = never saving faith to begin with


This is fully consistent with:
  • John 10:28–29
  • Romans 8:30
  • Ephesians 1:13–14



7. Summary (plainly stated)​

  • James 2:24 is not about how one is saved
  • It is about how faith is demonstrated
  • “Justified” means vindicated before others
  • James assumes God alone judges the heart
  • OSAS remains intact in context
Amen! Man is saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9); yet genuine faith is (evidenced) by works. (James 2:14-24) Jesus Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works. (Romans 3:24-26; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9) It is through faith "in Jesus Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 4:5-6; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-24) *Perfect Harmony*
 
Theres one thing n that is not truly repenting and accepting the responsibility of ones actions.

Only reason one wouldn't be even anle to repent is if they blasphemed the Holy Spirt..

Man likes to complicate Abba is not complicated nor is He of confusion and chaos
 
Amen! Man is saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9); yet genuine faith is (evidenced) by works. (James 2:14-24) Jesus Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works. (Romans 3:24-26; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9) It is through faith "in Jesus Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 4:5-6; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-24) *Perfect Harmony*
May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

What do you think scripture is talking about when it says works?
 
May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

What do you think scripture is talking about when it says works?
Works are deeds or actions that we accomplish. In James 2:15-16, the example of a "work" that James gives is: "If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?" To give a brother or sister these things needed for the body would certainly be a "work," a good work.
 
Works are deeds or actions that we accomplish. In James 2:15-16, the example of a "work" that James gives is: "If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?" To give a brother or sister these things needed for the body would certainly be a "work," a good work.
God also says to NOT help certain groups and kinds of people.

Wicked - people who reject God, practice sin, refuse righteousness, oppress others, or persist in evil without repentance.

#DescriptionScripture
1Those who reject God and refuse to seek HimPsalm 10:4 — “The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.”
2Those who deny God in their heartsPsalm 14:1 — “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.”
3Those who deliberately practice sin1 John 3:4 — “Sin is the transgression of the law.”
4Those who refuse to do goodPsalm 36:3 — “The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit: he hath left off to be wise, and to do good.”
5Those who love evil rather than righteousnessJohn 3:19-20 — People loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil.
6Those who do evil and hate the light because they don't want their deeds exposedJohn 3:20 — “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.”
7Those who are proud and arrogant before GodPsalm 10:2-4 — The wicked are characterized by pride and boasting, and they do not seek God.
8Those who oppress the poor and vulnerablePsalm 10:8-10 — The wicked lie in wait to prey upon the helpless and poor.
9Those who shed innocent bloodProverbs 6:16-19 — God specifically lists “hands that shed innocent blood” among things He hates.
10Those who lie and deceivePsalm 34:13 — “Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile.” See also Proverbs 12:22.
11Those who bear false witnessExodus 20:16 — “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.”
12Those who stealExodus 20:15 — “Thou shalt not steal.”
13Those who commit adultery and sexual immoralityExodus 20:14 — “Thou shalt not commit adultery.” See also 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.
14Those who worship idols or other gods instead of the LORDExodus 20:3-5 — “Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”
15Those who practice witchcraft, sorcery, divination, or occult practicesDeuteronomy 18:10-12 — These practices are explicitly condemned by God.
16Those who hate their brother1 John 2:9 — “He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.”
17Those who refuse to forgive and show mercyMatthew 6:15 — “But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
18Those who deliberately cause others to sinMatthew 18:6-7 — Jesus gives an extremely serious warning against causing others to stumble.
19Those who exploit or cheat others for financial gainAmos 8:4-6 — God condemns those who exploit the poor and manipulate dishonest scales and prices.
20Those who judge others hypocritically while refusing to repent themselvesMatthew 7:1-5; Romans 2:1-3
21Those who are religious outwardly but deliberately practice lawlessnessMatthew 7:21-23 — Jesus says some will call Him “Lord” but will be rejected because they “work iniquity.”
22Those who profess to know God but deny Him by their actionsTitus 1:16 — “They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him.”
23Those who deliberately continue in sin after knowing the truthHebrews 10:26-27 — “If we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth...”
24Those who refuse to repent when God calls them to repentanceRevelation 9:20-21 — Despite God's judgments, people “repented not” of their murders, sorceries, sexual immorality, and thefts.
25Those characterized by the works of the fleshGalatians 5:19-21 — Paul lists sexual immorality, idolatry, hatred, jealousy, fits of anger, selfish ambition, drunkenness, and similar things.
26Those who are lovers of themselves rather than lovers of God2 Timothy 3:1-5 — Paul describes people who are proud, disobedient, unholy, brutal, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God.
27Those who persecute righteous people because they hate righteousnessJohn 15:18-20 — Jesus says the world would hate His followers because it hated Him first.
28Those who love money and allow it to control them1 Timothy 6:9-10 — The love of money can lead people into temptation and many destructive desires.
29Those who refuse to obey God's commands1 John 5:3 — “For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments.” See also 2 Thessalonians 1:8.
30Those who reject ChristJohn 3:36 — “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”

So. Do not think we're supposed to be stupid and blind YesMen and YesWomen.

Rejection b/c of one's actions IS justified, especially in one's family.
 
God also says to NOT help certain groups and kinds of people.

Wicked - people who reject God, practice sin, refuse righteousness, oppress others, or persist in evil without repentance.

#DescriptionScripture
1Those who reject God and refuse to seek HimPsalm 10:4 — “The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.”
2Those who deny God in their heartsPsalm 14:1 — “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.”
3Those who deliberately practice sin1 John 3:4 — “Sin is the transgression of the law.”
4Those who refuse to do goodPsalm 36:3 — “The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit: he hath left off to be wise, and to do good.”
5Those who love evil rather than righteousnessJohn 3:19-20 — People loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil.
6Those who do evil and hate the light because they don't want their deeds exposedJohn 3:20 — “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.”
7Those who are proud and arrogant before GodPsalm 10:2-4 — The wicked are characterized by pride and boasting, and they do not seek God.
8Those who oppress the poor and vulnerablePsalm 10:8-10 — The wicked lie in wait to prey upon the helpless and poor.
9Those who shed innocent bloodProverbs 6:16-19 — God specifically lists “hands that shed innocent blood” among things He hates.
10Those who lie and deceivePsalm 34:13 — “Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile.” See also Proverbs 12:22.
11Those who bear false witnessExodus 20:16 — “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.”
12Those who stealExodus 20:15 — “Thou shalt not steal.”
13Those who commit adultery and sexual immoralityExodus 20:14 — “Thou shalt not commit adultery.” See also 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.
14Those who worship idols or other gods instead of the LORDExodus 20:3-5 — “Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”
15Those who practice witchcraft, sorcery, divination, or occult practicesDeuteronomy 18:10-12 — These practices are explicitly condemned by God.
16Those who hate their brother1 John 2:9 — “He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.”
17Those who refuse to forgive and show mercyMatthew 6:15 — “But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
18Those who deliberately cause others to sinMatthew 18:6-7 — Jesus gives an extremely serious warning against causing others to stumble.
19Those who exploit or cheat others for financial gainAmos 8:4-6 — God condemns those who exploit the poor and manipulate dishonest scales and prices.
20Those who judge others hypocritically while refusing to repent themselvesMatthew 7:1-5; Romans 2:1-3
21Those who are religious outwardly but deliberately practice lawlessnessMatthew 7:21-23 — Jesus says some will call Him “Lord” but will be rejected because they “work iniquity.”
22Those who profess to know God but deny Him by their actionsTitus 1:16 — “They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him.”
23Those who deliberately continue in sin after knowing the truthHebrews 10:26-27 — “If we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth...”
24Those who refuse to repent when God calls them to repentanceRevelation 9:20-21 — Despite God's judgments, people “repented not” of their murders, sorceries, sexual immorality, and thefts.
25Those characterized by the works of the fleshGalatians 5:19-21 — Paul lists sexual immorality, idolatry, hatred, jealousy, fits of anger, selfish ambition, drunkenness, and similar things.
26Those who are lovers of themselves rather than lovers of God2 Timothy 3:1-5 — Paul describes people who are proud, disobedient, unholy, brutal, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God.
27Those who persecute righteous people because they hate righteousnessJohn 15:18-20 — Jesus says the world would hate His followers because it hated Him first.
28Those who love money and allow it to control them1 Timothy 6:9-10 — The love of money can lead people into temptation and many destructive desires.
29Those who refuse to obey God's commands1 John 5:3 — “For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments.” See also 2 Thessalonians 1:8.
30Those who reject ChristJohn 3:36 — “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”

So. Do not think we're supposed to be stupid and blind YesMen and YesWomen.

Rejection b/c of one's actions IS justified, especially in one's family.
Children of God practice righteousness and not sin and children of the devil practice sin and not righteousness. (1 John 3:7-10)
 
First and foremost, you have to believe in Jesus. Without Jesus, no one goes to heaven.
So, everything else here, depends on that first. This is an absolute must. No way around this one.

There have been plenty of discussion about what believing in Jesus means here on TalkJesus.
Does it simply mean I believe there was a guy named Jesus who walked around 2,000 years ago?
Or does it mean more, does it mean believing He is the Son of God, that He died and rose again. That He lived a sinless life.
Does it mean following all the teachings that He taught as best you can?

The Bible says doing some things will keep you out of heaven. It doesn't matter if you say you believe in Jesus or not.
If you're doing these things, you need to stop, repent, or you won't enter heaven.. it really is that plain and simple.
You can be forgiven for all of these things if you quit doing them and repent. But you can't keep on doing them. Period.

1Cor 6:9; Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1Cor 6:10; nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
1Cor 6:11; Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

Fornicators - are you sleeping with your girlfriend, but you're not married? That's fornication.
Idolaters - Do you worship something, someone more than you love Jesus? That's idolatry.
Adulterers - Are you sleeping with someone else's spouse? Are you sleeping with someone else besides your spouse? That's adultery.
Effeminate - Do you act like a woman; do you dress like a woman?
Homosexuals - Are you sleeping with someone who is the same sex as yourself? That homosexuality.
Thieves - Are you stealing from people?
Drunkards - Do you get drunk frequently?
Swindlers - Do you take financial advantage of people? Do you con them, and give them useless things?

No one who is practicing these things will enter heaven. It doesn't matter if you believe in Jesus or not.
If you have done them, you can be forgiven. If you're doing them now, 'STOP' REPENT!! It's not too late.
You don't have to be perfect. But you cannot live a sinful lifestyle.

Gal 5:19; Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20; idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
Gal 5:21; envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God

Some things on this second list and the same as the first list. sexual immorality (fornication, adultery, homosexuality) Idolatry, drunkenness.
But there are some other things listed here as well. Sorcery, this doesn't only mean practicing witchcraft, the word most commonly used for sorcery is ...

φαρμακεία
pharmakeia
far-mak-i'-ah
From G5332; medication (“pharmacy”), that is, (by extension) magic (literal or figurative): - sorcery, witchcraft.

This is where we get the word pharmacy. Now taking drugs for medical reasons is probably OK. But taking recreational mind-altering drugs is not.

Arguing, looking for trouble, causing disputes and strife between people. This is a pretty basic thing, how many of us have ever caused an argument or fight
because of something we've told people. Again, it doesn't matter if you believe in Jesus or not, if you're frequently doing these things, it can keep you out of heaven.
Verse 21 abovce says - Those who "practice" these things will not enter heaven. Again, you can be forgiven if you've done them. You can be forgiven if you're doing them now.
But you have to stop. This isn't an option, it isn't a debate, it's an absolute requirement. No excuses can be made.

Matt 5:19; "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 5:20; "For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.


Jesus says if you try to bypass the commandments, and teach other's to do so (like the Pharisees) you will not enter heaven. People say the Pharisees were legalistic, and they were, but not because they followed the commandments, it was because they didn't.

Matt 15:3; And He answered and said to them, "Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?
Matt 15:6; he is not to honor his father or his mother.' And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
Mark 7:5; The Pharisees and the scribes *asked Him, "Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat their bread with impure hands?"
Mark 7:8; "Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men."
Mark 7:9; He was also saying to them, "You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition.
Mark 7:13; thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that."

Col 2:8; See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.

Jesus says unless you are more righteous than the Pharisees were, you will not enter heaven.

Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'


Jesus says, not everyone who believes in Jesus will enter heaven. That has to be one of the most sobering verses in the entire BIble.
For those who are practicing sin, iniquity, lawlessness, He is going to send them away, He is going to say, "Depart from me".

There is more. There are other verses I can't include here because this is getting to be a long post.
But the bottom line here is. You have to repent! You can't continue living a sinful lifestyle and expect to go to heaven.
If you stumble and mess up, you can be forgiven. There is love, mercy, grace and forgiveness. But you can't use these things as a license to sin.

Rom 6:1; What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
Rom 6:2; May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
Rom 6:12; Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
Rom 6:13; and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
Rom 6:16; Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?
Rom 6:17; But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed,
Rom 6:18; and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.

Peter says the same thing.

1Pet 4:1; Therefore, since Christ has suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same purpose, because he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin,
1Pet 4:2; so as to live the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.
1Pet 4:3; For the time already past is sufficient for you to have carried out the desire of the Gentiles, having pursued a course of sensuality, lusts, drunkenness, carousing, drinking parties and abominable idolatries.
1Pet 4:4; In all this, they are surprised that you do not run with them into the same excesses of dissipation, and they malign you;

If you're a new Christian, there is grace. If you've known Jesus for a long time. It's time to change. The "time is already past sufficient for you". Your friends may make fun of you because you have quit
doing these things, but even so. You have to stop.
I think once you get beyond the breathe of air that you breath you begin to sin. Add "things" and inherited sin to your list. Life is setup for you to sin. You almost have to live a monk like existence to escape it for which I think is a gift. One thing that I have learned about god, he is an instigator, he sets you up for failure. To me believing in "Satan" is like believing in santa clause. Sin is deeply engraved in our DNA, and to see people quote scripture is a charade.
 
Its because a "demon" can't be born again.

Demon's are not Human.
Angels are not Human.

Only a HUMAN, is this one..

"let us make MAN..... in OUR Image"..

So, neither Satan, nor his angels are human, so, they are disqualified from the "new birth"... and that is why they can BELIEVE but it won't help them.
I think "Demons" are AI in the spiritual realm. I think god is pulling the strings or programming the AI.
 
God also says to NOT help certain groups and kinds of people.

Wicked - people who reject God, practice sin, refuse righteousness, oppress others, or persist in evil without repentance.

#DescriptionScripture
1Those who reject God and refuse to seek HimPsalm 10:4 — “The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.”
2Those who deny God in their heartsPsalm 14:1 — “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.”
3Those who deliberately practice sin1 John 3:4 — “Sin is the transgression of the law.”
4Those who refuse to do goodPsalm 36:3 — “The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit: he hath left off to be wise, and to do good.”
5Those who love evil rather than righteousnessJohn 3:19-20 — People loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil.
6Those who do evil and hate the light because they don't want their deeds exposedJohn 3:20 — “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.”
7Those who are proud and arrogant before GodPsalm 10:2-4 — The wicked are characterized by pride and boasting, and they do not seek God.
8Those who oppress the poor and vulnerablePsalm 10:8-10 — The wicked lie in wait to prey upon the helpless and poor.
9Those who shed innocent bloodProverbs 6:16-19 — God specifically lists “hands that shed innocent blood” among things He hates.
10Those who lie and deceivePsalm 34:13 — “Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile.” See also Proverbs 12:22.
11Those who bear false witnessExodus 20:16 — “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.”
12Those who stealExodus 20:15 — “Thou shalt not steal.”
13Those who commit adultery and sexual immoralityExodus 20:14 — “Thou shalt not commit adultery.” See also 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.
14Those who worship idols or other gods instead of the LORDExodus 20:3-5 — “Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”
15Those who practice witchcraft, sorcery, divination, or occult practicesDeuteronomy 18:10-12 — These practices are explicitly condemned by God.
16Those who hate their brother1 John 2:9 — “He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.”
17Those who refuse to forgive and show mercyMatthew 6:15 — “But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
18Those who deliberately cause others to sinMatthew 18:6-7 — Jesus gives an extremely serious warning against causing others to stumble.
19Those who exploit or cheat others for financial gainAmos 8:4-6 — God condemns those who exploit the poor and manipulate dishonest scales and prices.
20Those who judge others hypocritically while refusing to repent themselvesMatthew 7:1-5; Romans 2:1-3
21Those who are religious outwardly but deliberately practice lawlessnessMatthew 7:21-23 — Jesus says some will call Him “Lord” but will be rejected because they “work iniquity.”
22Those who profess to know God but deny Him by their actionsTitus 1:16 — “They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him.”
23Those who deliberately continue in sin after knowing the truthHebrews 10:26-27 — “If we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth...”
24Those who refuse to repent when God calls them to repentanceRevelation 9:20-21 — Despite God's judgments, people “repented not” of their murders, sorceries, sexual immorality, and thefts.
25Those characterized by the works of the fleshGalatians 5:19-21 — Paul lists sexual immorality, idolatry, hatred, jealousy, fits of anger, selfish ambition, drunkenness, and similar things.
26Those who are lovers of themselves rather than lovers of God2 Timothy 3:1-5 — Paul describes people who are proud, disobedient, unholy, brutal, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God.
27Those who persecute righteous people because they hate righteousnessJohn 15:18-20 — Jesus says the world would hate His followers because it hated Him first.
28Those who love money and allow it to control them1 Timothy 6:9-10 — The love of money can lead people into temptation and many destructive desires.
29Those who refuse to obey God's commands1 John 5:3 — “For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments.” See also 2 Thessalonians 1:8.
30Those who reject ChristJohn 3:36 — “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”

So. Do not think we're supposed to be stupid and blind YesMen and YesWomen.

Rejection b/c of one's actions IS justified, especially in one's family.
Who says Lucifer became the devil?
My bible says he was the king of Tyre
It's almost comical all the views based on what "they're bible" says?
 
I think "Demons" are AI in the spiritual realm. I think god is pulling the strings or programming the AI.

1. You live in a really small bubble if you don't believe in demons my friend.
2. I believe you are being intellectually dishonest.

You can't accept that God created beings called angels and that some chose to be evil?

This coming from someone who has the grey matter between their ears to grasp intelligent design and still looks to mock their Creator and His followers?

You are evil and you are able to interact with and influence people, but demons can't?

Whenever I interact with people like you I just thank God for being so good. He gives all His intelligent creations time and space to be evil.
 
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