Nephillim

The term translated "the sons of God" is, in the Hebrew, B'nai ha Elohim, "sons of Elohim," which is a term consistently used in the Old Testament for angels1, and it is never used of believers in the Old Testament. It was so understood by the ancient rabbinical sources and by the early church fathers.

Meanwhile, attempts to apply this term to "godly leadership" is without Scriptural foundation.2 A "sons of Seth and daughters of Cain" interpretation strains and obscures the intended grammatical antithesis between the sons of God and the daughters of Adam. Attempting to impute any other view to the text flies in the face of the earlier centuries of understanding of the Hebrew text among both rabbinical and early church scholarship. The lexicographical antithesis clearly intends to establish a contrast between the "angels" and the women of the Earth.

If the text was intended to contrast the "sons of Seth and the daughters of Cain," why didn't it say so? Seth was not God, and Cain was not Adam. (Why not the "sons of Cain" and the "daughters of Seth?" There is no basis for restricting the text to either subset of Adam's descendants. Further, there exists no mention of daughters of Elohim.)

And how does the "Sethite" interpretation contribute to the ostensible cause for the Flood, which is the primary thrust of the text? The entire view is contrived on a series of assumptions without Scriptural support.

The Biblical term "Sons of Elohim" (that is, of the Creator Himself), is confined to the direct creation by the divine hand and not to those born to those of their own order.3 In Luke's genealogy of Jesus, only Adam is called a "son of God."4 The entire Biblical drama deals with the tragedy that humankind is a fallen race, with Adam's initial immortality forfeited. Christ uniquely gives them that receive him the power to become the sons of God.5 Being born again of the Spirit of God, as an entirely new creation6, at their resurrection they alone will be clothed with a building of God7 and in every respect equal to the angels8. The very term oiketerion, alluding to the heavenly body with which the believer longs to be clothed, is the precise term used for the heavenly bodies from which the fallen angels had disrobed.9

The attempt to apply the term "Sons of Elohim" in a broader sense has no textual basis and obscures the precision of its denotative usage. This proves to be an assumption which is antagonistic to the uniform Biblical usage of the term.

  1. Cf. Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7 (where they are in existence before the creation of the earth). Jesus also implies the same term in Luke 20:36.
  2. God simply refers to Israel as "my sons" and "my daughters." Indeed, all of Adam's race are termed God's "offspring" in Acts 17:28 (although Paul is here quoting a Greek poet).
  3. The sons of Elohim are even contrasted with the sons of Adam in Psalm 82:1, 6 and warned that if they go on with the evil identified in verse 2, they would die like Adam (man). When our Lord quoted this verse (John 10:34), he made no mention of what order of beings God addressed in this Psalm but that the Word of God was inviolate whether the beings in question were angels or men.
  4. Luke 3:38.
  5. John 1:11-12.
  6. 2 Corinthians 5:17.
  7. 2 Corinthians 5:1-4.
  8. Luke 20:36.
  9. This term appears only twice in the Bible: 2 Corinthians 5:2 and Jude 1:6.
- C. M.

You have made a reasonable case for the angelic interpretation of the “sons of God,” and I don't have a problem acknowledging that this may well be the strongest interpretation. The use of “sons of God” in Job 1:6, 2:1 and 38:7 certainly gives that interpretation considerable weight, and I agree that the ancient Jewish and early Christian understanding is relevant..

Something to note, however, is that strong evidence is not the same as certainty. Genesis 6 itself does not explicitly say “the sons of God were angels.” So while I think your interpretation is very plausible, I don't think it is unreasonable to say that the precise identity remains an interpretation rather than something Scripture explicitly settles.
 
Genesis 6 itself does not explicitly say “the sons of God were angels.”
That is the thesis statement of every doubting Thomas and A.I. commentary.

Something to note, however, is that strong evidence is not the same as certainty.
I have certainty.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen (Heb. 11)

for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? (Rom. 8)

In Genesis 6:1–2, the phrase “sons of God” was widely interpreted in early Jewish tradition as angels. That reading flows into Second Temple literature like 1 Enoch. The earliest Christian writers inherited that interpretive stream.

Early Fathers who held the angelic view include:

Justin Martyr (2nd century). In his Second Apology and Dialogue with Trypho, he clearly affirms that angels transgressed by taking women.

Irenaeus (2nd century). In Against Heresies, he connects Genesis 6 with fallen angels and the corruption of humanity.

Athenagoras (2nd century). In Plea for the Christians, he explicitly speaks of angels who lusted after women.

Tertullian (late 2nd to early 3rd century). In On the Veiling of Virgins and other works, he defends the angelic interpretation and even uses it to argue for modesty.

Lactantius (early 4th century) also follows the angelic view.

So in the first few centuries, the angelic interpretation is very common and arguably dominant.
 
That is the thesis statement of every doubting Thomas and A.I. commentary.

I have certainty.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen (Heb. 11)

for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? (Rom. 8)

On a topic like this you should not need faith. Facts matter.

In Genesis 6:1–2, the phrase “sons of God” was widely interpreted in early Jewish tradition as angels. That reading flows into Second Temple literature like 1 Enoch. The earliest Christian writers inherited that interpretive stream.

Early Fathers who held the angelic view include:

Justin Martyr (2nd century). In his Second Apology and Dialogue with Trypho, he clearly affirms that angels transgressed by taking women.

Irenaeus (2nd century). In Against Heresies, he connects Genesis 6 with fallen angels and the corruption of humanity.

Athenagoras (2nd century). In Plea for the Christians, he explicitly speaks of angels who lusted after women.

Tertullian (late 2nd to early 3rd century). In On the Veiling of Virgins and other works, he defends the angelic interpretation and even uses it to argue for modesty.

Lactantius (early 4th century) also follows the angelic view.

So in the first few centuries, the angelic interpretation is very common and arguably dominant.

I don't disagree, I lean toward them being angels reading scripture without Enoch. With Enoch, there is no debate, Enoch explicitly interprets the Genesis account in an angelic direction. In 1 Enoch 6, the beings are described as the Watchers or “sons of heaven,” and they are identified as angels who descend, take human women and father children. The following chapters develop the connection with the giants.
 
I don't disagree, I lean toward them being angels reading scripture without Enoch. With Enoch, there is no debate, Enoch explicitly interprets the Genesis account in an angelic direction. In 1 Enoch 6, the beings are described as the Watchers or “sons of heaven,” and they are identified as angels who descend, take human women and father children. The following chapters develop the connection with the giants.
To make it clear,

1 Enoch is not part of the Jewish canon, nor of most Christian canons, though it is preserved in the Ethiopian tradition. Still, it is extremely important for understanding how Genesis 6 was interpreted in the centuries before Christ.

The relevant section is 1 Enoch 6-7, often called the Book of the Watchers.

1 Enoch 6:1-2 describes the descent:

“And it came to pass, when the children of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born unto them, beautiful and comely.
And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: ‘Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.’”

1 Enoch 6:6 names their leader:

“And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon…”

1 Enoch 7:1-2 describes the union and offspring:

“And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them…
And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells.”


Later in chapter 7, the giants devour humanity and turn violent.

1 Enoch 8 describes the angels teaching forbidden knowledge: weaponry, cosmetics, sorcery, astrology.

This becomes part of the explanation for escalating corruption before the Flood.

1 Enoch 10 then describes divine judgment against these Watchers, including their binding until final judgment.

1 Enoch (3rd-1st century BC)

This is the clearest example. As previously noted, 1 Enoch 6-16 presents the “Watchers,” angels who descend, take human wives, produce giants, and teach forbidden knowledge. This work was widely circulated in Second Temple Judaism and was influential enough that fragments were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls at Qumran. That means it was not marginal.

Jubilees (2nd century BC)

Jubilees 5:1 states:

“And it came to pass when the children of men began to multiply… that the angels of God saw them… and they took themselves wives of all whom they chose.”

Jubilees clearly assumes the angelic reading and integrates it into its retelling of Genesis.

Dead Sea Scrolls (Qumran community)

The Book of Giants, found among the Qumran texts, expands on the Enochic tradition. It elaborates on the offspring of the angels and their judgment. The community at Qumran clearly accepted the Watcher narrative as historical reality.

Philo of Alexandria (1st century AD)

Philo does not narrate the story in mythic detail like Enoch, but in On the Giants (De Gigantibus), he refers to “angels of God” who fell and associates Genesis 6 with spiritual beings. His interpretation is more allegorical, but he does not deny the angelic referent.

Josephus (1st century AD)

In Antiquities of the Jews 1.3.1, Josephus writes:

“For many angels of God accompanied with women, and begat sons that proved unjust…”

Josephus presents this as part of Jewish historical tradition. He does not treat it as speculative folklore. He assumes his audience will recognize it.

Rabbinic literature

Now here is where things begin to shift. Later rabbinic Judaism becomes increasingly uncomfortable with the idea of angels reproducing. Some rabbinic sources reinterpret “sons of God” as judges, nobles, or powerful men. But that shift appears later, and even rabbinic literature preserves traces of the older tradition.

For example, Genesis Rabbah contains discussions that reflect tension over the meaning of “sons of God,” with some strands acknowledging angelic associations while others resist them.

So, as you can see…

Before Christianity:

1 Enoch explicitly teaches the angelic view.
Jubilees affirms it.
Qumran literature expands it.
Josephus records it as Jewish tradition.
Philo does not reject angelic language.

That is not a minor stream. That is mainstream Second Temple Jewish interpretation.

So when early Christians like Justin Martyr or Irenaeus adopted the angelic view, they were not inventing something exotic. They were inheriting a Jewish interpretive framework already in circulation.

The later discomfort with angelic reproduction, whether in Augustine or later rabbinic Judaism, reflects theological development and philosophical concerns about the nature of angels, not the absence of earlier belief.

In other words, if someone claims “no Jews ever believed angels mated with women,” history disagrees rather loudly.
 
In other words, if someone claims “no Jews ever believed angels mated with women,” history disagrees rather loudly.
I do agree with you but that still doesn't make it actually true.

the jews believed in reincarnation, a plurality of souls within the human person (which actually hints at knowledge of dissociative identity disorder). the sadusees didn't even believe in life after death, and there are many other things that "they believed" or at least "large portions believed" that are not true. -a friend of mine studied under a rabbii in jerusalem for 18 months, i know all about this stuff, from him.

so if you watch that youtube video i posted, then realize that genesis 6 got written when they were in Babalon, not before, and, Jeremiah calls them out in 7:22, saying "in the days of Moses i did not speak to you concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices"

well then its obvious they made a lot of it up. or, in the case of nephilim interpreted descriptions of violent demonized persons, as non persons who match the description and are non human. or, basically, turning the demoniac Jesus exorcized, into a materialized demon, not a person.

So while i am concerned that there was an eradication of "giants" or "non human material".. there's an easier explanation:
exaggerated claims of violent humans.

perhaps God breathed spiritual souls into adam and this does not include the neanderthals, densovans, etc. and that's why they died out, we killed them off. -to us, they would be animals, subject to instinctual violence. -this alone would be enough to put a cultural memory of a violent time into the oral history of every culture on earth. -and it kinda sounds like the flood.

which was hundreds of local floods during the last ice age.
 
So while i am concerned that there was an eradication of "giants" or "non human material".. there's an easier explanation:
exaggerated claims of violent humans.
There will always be "easier explanations" being served up on the apostasy platter.

If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
 
There will always be "easier explanations" being served up on the apostasy platter.

If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
I am well aware and also concerned that it could happen again.

God seems strangely silent when i wonder if there will be another rebellion in heaven.

And its not uncommon for my concerns to be found legitimate, or partially legitimate as in indirectly confirmed. (Smoke, but not directly witnessed fire). Deeply rooted concerns of matters God doesnt seem to want publicly addressed and i have pondered for as long as a decade.

For example the thought just occured to me. What if a future rebellion in heaven is led by humans, not by angels.
 
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