KingJ
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So as to not derail your thread, I have responded here:
Romans 5:10: Actual Atonement
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So as to not derail your thread, I have responded here:
KingJ
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Calvinism is clearly unscriptural. So there are none. My statement is both personal and general.
If for example he did not request that AI respond with bias, he would figure that out. Grok and Chat GPT completely and utterly debunk Calvinism and ''MOST IMPORTANTLY'' explain that it represents God as monstrously 10/10 evil.
By requesting that it respond from a “high Calvinist perspective” i.e. a biased one, you are forcing AI to help you dance around arguments and read things into Scripture that clearly are not there.
Calvinism is a business. A Christian franchise store.
Which would be fine and not the 'end of the world' if it did not so grossly misrepresent God to the lost.....
I am reminded of Matt 18:6 every time I engage with a Calvinist:
Matt 18:6 “But whoso shall stumble one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.”
Imagine telling young believers that God loves and died for that He does not love and did not die for them.....
Thats not how calvanism works.
These are not the words of a christian.
While we all have our failings, you have shown yourself to be like a toddler screaming at its school teacher.
Answering the paradox of how can Jesus reconcile sinners to his Father before those sinners were even born, while also addressing the reality that 99% of them wont receive him:
Does not make God evil.
Brightfame52
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More on Reconciliation explained ! cont 4
Now scripture that teach Subjective Reconciliation by Christ's Death Col 1:21-22
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Now notice here how Paul is attributing Subjective Reconciliation out of being enemies or a state of enmity, to Christ's Death in Vs 22, because he understands that, whet he called saved by His Life in Rom 5:10b is but the fruit of Christ's Death, whereby they were reconciled objectively, even while being enemies in their minds and doing hostile works, but because of the communication of His Life, Christ's Death is said to even reconcile them Subjectively out of being alienated and enemies, so again Col 1:22-23 teaches Subjective Reconciliation ! 2
Now scripture that teach Subjective Reconciliation by Christ's Death Col 1:21-22
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Now notice here how Paul is attributing Subjective Reconciliation out of being enemies or a state of enmity, to Christ's Death in Vs 22, because he understands that, whet he called saved by His Life in Rom 5:10b is but the fruit of Christ's Death, whereby they were reconciled objectively, even while being enemies in their minds and doing hostile works, but because of the communication of His Life, Christ's Death is said to even reconcile them Subjectively out of being alienated and enemies, so again Col 1:22-23 teaches Subjective Reconciliation ! 2
KingJ
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Jo, that is not a rebuttal. My statement captures the central implication of limited atonement.
Calvinism = TULIP
KingJ
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Says the person whose posts are a shining example of evasiveness.
That is not a rebuttal of the rant. Why not address the rant? Oh wait you can't. More dancing.
Huh? Cherry picking Scripture to answer a question about babies supposedly deserving eternal punishment, while completely misrepresenting God's clearly revealed character, ........ “Does not make God evil”?
Do you actually think before you type?
1. Cherry picking scripture = False teaching = you will go to eternal hell.
2. Teaching or thinking that God will ever send babies to eternal hell = you have absolutely no idea about who God is = every verse in scripture has flown over your head.
3. Teaching that God withholds saving grace from some is partiality and that most certainly does make Him evil. 1+1=2.
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But I understand what you are trying to say, and even that argument is short-sighted because you are missing the central issue.
The issue is what Calvinism teaches about God's character. If God has the power to save everyone, yet deliberately withholds the saving grace necessary for salvation from many people He created, leaving them unable to believe, and then condemns them, how is that consistent with the righteousness and justice Scripture attributes to God?
Appealing to the fact that most people reject Christ does not answer the argument. The question is whether God genuinely desires the salvation of all, as Scripture says in 1 Timothy 2:3–4 and 2 Peter 3:9, or whether He has deliberately withheld the only means of salvation from many.
Stop evading the issue and address what Calvinism teaches about God's character.
amazing.
i find you doing the same thing!
you're straight up declaring false teaching is a higher sin than murder? how can you believe this?
I Corinthians 6:9-11
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
---God, having standards, does not make him evil.
you seem to go back and delete the more inappropriate things sometimes. a forum log check would be interesting.