The Book of life,

joestue said:
Ah, i see you have strung together some things.
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It's called scripture.

joestue said:
I had a very dangerous thought
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Your thoughts are not 'scripture'.

If you want to come across as something other than a troll who lives in cloud crazyland, use scripture for teaching and correction.

I have never engaged with anyone on a Christian forum who is as lazy in their exegesis as you are.

2 Tim 3:16-17 "For all scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
 
KingJ said:
It's called scripture.



Your thoughts are not 'scripture'.

If you want to come across as something other than a troll who lives in cloud crazyland, use scripture for teaching and correction.

I have never engaged with anyone on a Christian forum who is as lazy in their exegesis as you are.

2 Tim 3:16-17 "For all scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
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My thoughts are as lazy as your accusations. Context man..read what i actually said.

Are you on medications or drugs man?
 
KingJ said:
You do not get your name written in the book of life when you are born again. That is misteaching.
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joestue said:
@Christ4Ever
what point was Jesus even sent to the earth if we don't need to be born again?
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In my posts 4, 7, 8, 10, 13 and 15 I clearly explain that we have to be born again.

You carefully cherry picked a line. Very dishonest of you.

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Show me the scripture that says your name is written in the lambs book of life when you are born again.

I have provided scripture that points to your name staying in the book of life when you are born again.

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And please, if you cannot provide a scripture, don't reply.
 
joestue said:
If your name is in the book already, you dont.....

Rev 20:15
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Correct.

Now you just need to add to your understanding the fact that if you reject Jesus, He will remove your name. If you are born again, you can be certain that He won't remove your name.

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As I said to 'JunoTheServant' in post # 10.

Your focus needs to be on Rev 20:15.

Rev 20:15 anyone not found written in the Book of Life is cast into the lake of fire.

I am presenting the argument that you are teaching that babies and children will be cast into the lake of fire.

Thereby defying many other Scriptures as Scripture is crystal clear that:

1. God is just Job 34:12,
2. He spares children from His wrath Num 14:29 and
3. Welcomes them into heaven / promised land / is always close to them 2 Sam 12:22-23, Deut 1:39, Matt 18:10.
 
Brad Huber said:
You tend to use this about as much as liberals call conservatives nazi's.
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I call people who teach Calvinism, Calvinists.

Your comparison is as disingenuous as liberals calling conservatives Nazis.

Brad Huber said:
Instead of making such obviously lacking statements on a regular basis, perhaps you should instead try to point out what it is that makes you think such a thing. Like a list of what a calvinist believe from an official calvinist site and then point out what was said that verifies your point. But then name calling I guess is just more fun for you.
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I am more than happy to explain myself. What post would you like explained?

In this thread, on this particular topic, I have already properly explained myself.

For some reason, it seems many Christians are completely oblivious to Calvinistic theories and teach them without considering the seriousness of their implications.

Example from this thread:

Dave proposes in his OP that the phrase in Rev 17:8, "whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world", means that God specifically selected and wrote the names of certain individuals into the Book of Life before creation. That is a Calvinistic interpretation, as it implies that God has cherry-picked whom He will save from the foundation of the world.

I explained to Dave in post #2 that he was making an interpretative error. I provided an explanation of the grammatical construction and supporting evidence. Dave then went silent rather than engaging with the correction.

Now Dave says he is not a Calvinist. Fine. But then why not engage with the actual correction? If you are going to teach others, surely you should be prepared to defend what you teach.

Anyone who teaches others is accountable for what they teach. Scripture makes this particularly clear:
  • James 3:1 – Teachers will receive a stricter judgment.
  • Titus 1:9 – An overseer must hold firmly to sound doctrine so that he can both encourage others by sound teaching and refute those who oppose it.
  • 2 Timothy 2:24-25 – The Lord's servant must be able to teach and correct those who oppose the truth.
 
@Brad Huber

Dear AI, am I correct that @Dave M is pushing a Calvinistic theory in his OP with reference specifically to Rev 17:8?

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Yes. You are correct. Revelation 17:8 is used by Calvinists as support for the doctrine of unconditional individual election, namely that God selected particular individuals for salvation before the foundation of the world.

I found some particularly useful evidence.

1. John MacArthur​

Calvinist theologian John MacArthur describes the Lamb's Book of Life as:

"The registry in which God inscribed the names of those chosen for salvation before the foundation of the world."
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This is a direct statement of the doctrine you are challenging.

The Church of God International+1

2. John Piper​

John Piper explicitly uses Revelation 17:8 to argue that names were written in the Book of Life before the foundation of the world, representing God's free and unconditional election of particular individuals.

Society of Evangelical Arminians

3. Reformed theological teaching​

Reformed theologians also interpret the Book of Life as representing God's eternal decree of election, with the names of particular individuals fixed before creation.

RFPA+1

4. Your anti Calvinist distinction​

There is a difference between what Revelation 17:8 explicitly says and the theological conclusion Calvinists draw from it.

The verse says:

Whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world.
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Calvinists infer that those whose names were written there were individually chosen by God before creation.

Your disagreement is with that inference and its implications for God's impartiality and the availability of salvation to all.
 
KingJ said:
Yes. You are correct. Revelation 17:8 is used by Calvinists as support for the doctrine of unconditional individual election, namely that God selected particular individuals for salvation before the foundation of the world.
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Realize Gods ways are so much higher then ours we can not possibly know it all, live by what the words says, believe, trust it, even if you do not understand it. Rev 17-8 is so deep do not try to explain it just believe it, it says what it means, we cant comprehend the deep meaning of that on this side of eternity IMO

And I know your not accusing me of being a Calvinist, that would not make any sense as I believe one can throw away salvation. And you on the other hand believe one can not throw away salvation,

II personally believe what scriptures says, it means what it says, hope everyone starts to trust in scripture and not what they think, I am sure we are guilty of it at some point
 
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Dave M said:
Realize Gods ways are so much higher then ours we can not possibly know it all, live by what the words says, believe, trust it, even if you do not understand it. Rev 17-8 is so deep do not try to explain it just believe it, it says what it means, we cant comprehend the deep meaning of that on this side of eternity IMO
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Ever notice no one argues about Jesus' words?

Its people who came along later and tried to explain it all, that resulted in information generated in addition to what Jesus said, which generates divisions and ideological differences as men try to answer impossible questions.

I'm trying to imagine Jesus privately telling his disciples:
don't worry about it, i tell people to repent or perish but their names are already in the book....
 
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