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[Br. Bear]

What is the difference between the ceremonial law, the moral law, and the judicial law in the Old Testament?

This article explains it fairly well. But the law was the old covenant.
Circumcision wasn't the covenant, it was simply a "symbol" or "sign" of the covenant. ( Gen 17:11; )
Much like the rainbow isn't a covenant, it is a sign of a covenant. (No more earth wide floods)
Ceremonial law is those things which are a sign or symbol of something.

thank you @B-A-C

Bless you ....><>

 

[amadeus2]

Greetings,



strange, I always thought that Jesus said , By this shall all men know that ye are My disciples, if ye have love one to another. (John 13:35).
Yes, it was a NEW commandment.
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. John 13:34

Somehow I figured that it was as Jesus said , not because we kept commandments, that is , what do men see? Disciples loving one another or disciples keeping the commandments.

I know you can quote lots of Scripture about keeping the commandments and about the Law but the opponent's of Christ could do that too.

Perhaps someone could actually list out the commandments that we have to keep in order to be saved? That might help me understand where you are coming from?

Bless you ....><>

Remember Bro Bear what Jesus said here:

"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Matt 22:37-40

I believe that Jesus has covered everything that needs to be covered. There are a lot of details in both the OT and the NT, which we are able to insert if we understand them, but He did say it all... even if we do not understand it all. This is why we need a Leader, and I am not speaking about some man in a ministry.

There is not any black and white list of rules that covers all of the possibilities for us, God knows all of the answers needed and if we follow Him, we will not mis-step. If we do not follow Him, we will have trouble and if we continue to not follow Him, in time we will lose all hope.

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26

Our Comforter, our Teacher, our Leader is the Holy Ghost. We can write down a bunch of rules, but would they be black and white rules given to us by God or would they be rules that men have pulled out of the scripture and listed?

The Jews say they are 613 rules/laws in the OT given. Did not Peter speak here of the impossibility to bearing the yoke of those rules?

"Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?" Acts 15:10

The OT Israelites could not bear and neither the NT Israelites and neither can we. As Jesus put it:

"... Who then can be saved?

And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." Mark 10:26-27

We may be able to pull out and even memorize a whole lot of rules, but without God working in us to obey that which needs to be obeyed, will we not fail as the most of the OT Israelites failed to enter into the Promised Land?

Give God the glory!

 

[B-A-C]

@amadeus2

I agree with what you say here. But it seems this thread, like many others, are just a loop of the same points of view.

The Holy Spirit is our teacher, but He will never teach us anything contrary to scripture, and in fact His main purpose
is to "bring to remembrance" that which we have already heard from Jesus. ( John 14:26; )

Which always comes back to....
1. Is faith alone really enough? Am I really saved by faith alone? Or, is there some type of behavior change required?
Can I go on living like I was living before I got saved and still be saved?

2. If the answer is no, Then what governs my beliefs and behavior? My own made up rules? The rules of today's society
and worldly governments? The Bible, and the rules contained in it. At least the ones mentioned in the New testament.

3. Many Christians will say they don't have to follow the commandments to get saved. This is partially true.
You can't "get" saved by following the commandments or being good enough. You're right this is too much of a yoke
for us to bear. But if you take this too far, it simply means... I can say I believe in Jesus... but I still fornicate,
commit adultery, worship idols, murder people, steal from people, lie to people, tell lies about people, etc....
Are those people really saved?

4. If not, what are you basing this on? What they say they believe? Or how they are living?

Jesus "fulfilling" the law, doesn't mean He does it all for us. It means He picks up the slack where we fall short.
and all of us "fall short". ( Rom 3:23; )

This seems to be the main "argument" of the church these days. All I have to do is believe in Jesus... vs I have to also
obey the teachings of Jesus, make some behavior changes, pursue righteousness instead of lawlessness.

The answer to that basic question, determines everything you believe about salvation.

 

[amadeus2]

Believing in Jesus to please God has to be more than just mouthing the words. Our belief [faith] must lead us to the works that God has for us to do.

@B-A-C

Remember what Jesus said of himself:

"I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world." John 9:4-5

So what are we to do considering what Jesus said about us?

"Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." Matt 5:14-16

Jesus is no longer in the world in that sense, but we are, so where is it that people are supposed to see Light other than in us?

"And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are." John 17:11

He was not of the world as we are not, but now He is also not in the world, but we are. Now the Light is to be manifested through us.

Our Light will show men the Truth, which is Jesus, if we don't hide the Light under a bushel...

 

[B-A-C]

but we are, so where is it that people are supposed to see Light other than in us?

Agreed,...
But this is just saying what was already said. So how... what is practical example? ...do we BE the light?
How does someone look at you and know... wow, they are the light! wow, they are salt! How do we do this?
How do we show the world there is something different about us? Do you have an example? Even one?

 

[amadeus2]

Agreed,...
But this is just saying what was already said. So how... what is practical example? ...do we BE the light?
How does someone look at you and know... wow, they are the light! wow, they are salt! How do we do this?
How do we show the world there is something different about us? Do you have an example? Even one?

Being what God says that we should be on this and other forums as well as in workplaces, purchasing places, home, etc. is what we are to do. Sometimes there is no need to open our mouth or to write something, but if we are paying close attention and never quenching the Holy Spirit, we will do it right and be always ready.

We need to be consuming the scriptures [reading or listening to] as well as getting into the Spirit so that what we have consumed is quickened in us [brought to Life]. This is the road but once on the road, don't take eyes off of Jesus. Pay attention and obey. Of course if a person doesn't recognize the Lord's voice, how will he know what to obey?

"And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice." John 10:4

Are we His sheep always knowing always His voice? Remember little children don't immediately recognize the sight and sound of their natural parents, but given proper treatment and time they most certainly will know who Mama and Daddy are.

When I was working for a friend cutting weeds around a large commercial building to prepare for landscaping some time ago, the lunch hour was especially quiet. I had no transportation and I had already ate my lunch. I sat down on the grass and begin reading my Bible. About this time another man working as unskilled contract labor on the roof, found himself in the same situation for his lunch hour, but he had no Bible with him. Seeing me sitting reading my Bible he walked up and we began a conversation. Of course it was about God and the things of God.

We need to be always overflowing with His Word. It must be alive within us so that it can and will spill over onto another person. We don't need to go searching for someone to witness to [but this doesn't mean we cannot do that] as God can and will bring people to us who are "hungry and thirsty for His righteousness". If we are empty God will find someone else to use:

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6

 

[Marek]

Brother Bear, I told you before, keeping the Torah has nothing to do with Judaism, judaism has salvation by works.. I'm not a jew, I just discovered that the Torah (Shabbats, Feasts, Food law, and the instructions), are still relevant today, if it wasn't, then there would be no sin, and where's no sin there's no need for grace, or Messiah. Yahusha gave us nothing new, He taugh the Torah, most of what He taught was by the book of deutoronomy alone.
"So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God's laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven"(Matt 5:19). I know that the christianity say something other than that, but to claim that the law of God is done away with, is to accept the mark of the beast.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

thank you Marek for sharing your thoughts. Please note that I have not said anything of the Law being done away with as far as I remember, but please do show me if I have.

There is a serious misunderstanding regarding the Law and also our position regarding it.

I have commented and asked regarding Torah and I do not quite understand how you can separate Judaism (or perhaps more completely, Israel from Moses onwards) from Torah. From what I understand , and please correct me if I wrong, the whole point of what is collectively called Torah (the Law) was to be as a school master to those known as Jews, from Israel, and as a protective hedge against the world and it's defiling idolatry and lawlessness. So to say that Torah has nothing to do with Judaism is confusing to my little mind.
The Apostle Paul , who had a better grasp on matters concerning Torah, both Old Testament and New, than you and me, who wrote as an Apostle of God, was fairly clear about obedience and our position now as being dead to the Law. It can be difficult to be clear about this and many other things in Scripture if we use glasses darkened by the flesh and it's desire.

People can convince themselves with error and build houses on sand yet do so with zeal, not deliberately wanting to be on the wrong road and often in ignorance they refuse to see the Truth, believing that they have treasures of wisdom but unknowingly only through stimulation and satisfaction of and for the flesh.

May I ask, does Jesus Christ keep the Law (Torah)?

There is a Scripture,
Let the redeemed of the LORD say so, whom He hath redeemed from the hand of the enemy; Psalm 107:2

The Apostle Paul wrote
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Galatians 3:13

Can you see the believers position in this :
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. ?

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Romans 8:1-8

Let the redeemed of the LORD say so ... Are you redeemed?

Bless you and thank you again ....><>

 

[Marek]

I am redeemed, out of the world, thankfully!

Judaism has its own traditions, doctrines, and book called Talmud, which is not word of the Most High, it rejects Yahusha as Messiah. I am not religious, Yahuah has no religion.
"For sin shall not rule over you, for you are not under the law but under favour." (Romans 6:14).
But, Paul mentioned several laws:

1. The Law of Yah (Romans 3:31; 7:22-25; 8:7)
2. The Law of Sin (Romans 7:23-25)
3. The Law of Sin and Death (Romans 8:2)
4. The Law of the Spirit of Life (Romans 8:2)
5. The Law of Faith (Romans 3:27)
6. The Law of Righteousness (Romans 9:31)
7. The Law of Messiah (1 Corinthians 9:21)

"What, then, shall we say? Is the Torah sin? Let it not be! However, I did not know sin except through the Torah. For also the covetousness I knew not if the Torah had not said, “You shall not covet.” (Romans 7:7).

Therefore, has that which is good become death to me? Let it not be! But the sin, that sin might be manifest, was working death in me through what is good, so that sin through the command might become an exceedingly great Sinner."4For we know that the Torah is Spiritual, but I am fleshly, sold under sin." (Romans 7:13-14)

Paul was talking about the law of sin and death, if we, by the law of Yah define sin, then the law of Yah cannot be sin. The Law of Sin is in opposition to the Law of Yah.- Everyone doing sin also does lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness." (1 John 3:4).

May Yah bless you!

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings again Marek,

Thank you for your reply.

I hear what you are saying. Now, please tell me,
if I attempt to live by the Law, I shall be judged by the Law and because I can NOT get through life from now on in perfect adherence to the Law , I shall be guilty of sin. If I include my whole life , which includes EVERYTHING from birth up until now (with years of ungodly living before I heard and believed - definitely not righteous) and from now on , I am GUILTY.
I boldly suggest that you are in exactly the same predicament?
Therefore I am classified as lawless as are you , under the Law. Remember , the Law is perfect, you and I are not .

For all YOU say, we have been told in Scripture that if we decide to go back to living under the Law we make Christ of no effect, in fact , we are fallen from Grace.
You can if you want but no thanks for me!

Bless you ....><>

 

[Marek]

I see. "You who are declared right by Torah have severed yourselves from Messiah, you have fallen from favour." (Gal 5:4).
This verse points to people who think that they are justified by the works, or salvation by works, I'm not saying that, I know that it is faith what counts, but faith without obedience, is dead. - "Then Shemu’ĕl said, “Does יהוה delight in burnt offerings and slaughterings, as in obeying the voice of יהוה? Look, to obey is better than an offering, to heed is better than the fat of rams." (1 Sam 22). Ofcourse the law is perfect, but we can obey the commandments of the Most High, in faith, we needed Messiah, we were freed from the law of sin and death, the Torah still is relevant for us.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

Remember Bro Bear what Jesus said here:

"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Matt 22:37-40

I believe that Jesus has covered everything that needs to be covered. There are a lot of details in both the OT and the NT, which we are able to insert if we understand them, but He did say it all... even if we do not understand it all. This is why we need a Leader, and I am not speaking about some man in a ministry.

There is not any black and white list of rules that covers all of the possibilities for us, God knows all of the answers needed and if we follow Him, we will not mis-step. If we do not follow Him, we will have trouble and if we continue to not follow Him, in time we will lose all hope.

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26

Our Comforter, our Teacher, our Leader is the Holy Ghost. We can write down a bunch of rules, but would they be black and white rules given to us by God or would they be rules that men have pulled out of the scripture and listed?

The Jews say they are 613 rules/laws in the OT given. Did not Peter speak here of the impossibility to bearing the yoke of those rules?

"Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?" Acts 15:10

The OT Israelites could not bear and neither the NT Israelites and neither can we. As Jesus put it:

"... Who then can be saved?

And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." Mark 10:26-27

We may be able to pull out and even memorize a whole lot of rules, but without God working in us to obey that which needs to be obeyed, will we not fail as the most of the OT Israelites failed to enter into the Promised Land?

Give God the glory!

thank you amadeus2.

This is probably the most correct post on this subject, here and in the many other threads.

Is it the 'seeing through a glass darkly ' position that prevents some from seeing what you are saying ?

Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings and again thank you for your reply.

I see. "You who are declared right by Torah have severed yourselves from Messiah, you have fallen from favour." (Gal 5:4).
This verse points to people who think that they are justified by the works, or salvation by works, I'm not saying that, I know that it is faith what counts, but faith without obedience, is dead. - "Then Shemu’ĕl said, “Does יהוה delight in burnt offerings and slaughterings, as in obeying the voice of יהוה? Look, to obey is better than an offering, to heed is better than the fat of rams." (1 Sam 22). Ofcourse the law is perfect, but we can obey the commandments of the Most High, in faith, we needed Messiah, we were freed from the law of sin and death, the Torah still is relevant for us.

I choose the sacrifice (the Lamb of God) above my insufficient obedience.
My sacrifice is worthless without obedience and yet my attempt at perfect obedience is as soiled, filthy, stained rags.
How about yours?

Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings Marek,

I know that it is faith what counts, but faith without obedience, is dead.

can you please explain this comment?

Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings @B-A-C ,

I had a look at that link you gave me and it came to the conclusion that God didn't differentiate nor divide the Law into neat little boxes to help explain away the truth or to explain it as some might be silly enough to think.
I think you may have been fed some mushroom food regarding circumcision which would explain what you have posted . I am quite sure that Abraham was told to circumcise his son many, many, many years before anyone invented the idea of ceremonial law. It was actually held in higher esteem and importance than 'keeping the 10 Commandments'.

Back then it was like ID is today. One quick peek and you'd know if the bloke was a Jew, which meant also, to anyone who knew what that meant (meaning the people of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, a God to be feared), that they were best to watch how they treated them if they valued their lives.
I am sure that you have read about the circumcision of the heart?

Speaking of Abraham, his faith was counted as/for righteousness before he was instructed about circumcision which means before keeping the commandments of Torah / LAW or works of the Law or obedience to the Law .

I am sure that we who believe Christ have the same faith as Abraham? Is that right?

Circumcision was/is referred to a lot in the New Testament, it also represented the Law, meaning that if you bought into circumcision as necessary, you are and were obliged to keep the Law, the whole Law, every last jot and tittle.
Remember that circumcision was performed as soon as possible after birth even if it was the Sabbath day. Limiting it to a ceremonial law, that we Europeanised thinkers have been trying to do, limits the importance it really had for Israel and also for our understanding of our real position in Christ especially in relation to the Law.

This may sound crude, but have you ever seen a circumcised man who has tried to glue his severed foreskin back on ?
We who have been circumcised with the circumcision of Christ really shouldn't try to stick the severed old, dead man back on , either.

Thanks again for the link.

Bless you ....><>

 

[B-A-C]

I think you may have been fed some mushroom food regarding circumcision which would explain what you have posted . I am quite sure that Abraham was told to circumcise his son many, many, many years before anyone invented the idea of ceremonial law. It was actually held in higher esteem and importance than 'keeping the 10 Commandments'.

The Jews are the ones who call it ceremonial law. But I'm not concerned with what you call it. That doesn't matter too much.
The bottom line is.. it was a "sign" of the covenant, not the covenant itself. ( Rom 4:11; Gen 17:11; )

I agree with you about one thing, it was held by many (Especially the Pharisees) to be more important than obeying the commandments.
Acts 15:1; Acts 15:5; Acts 21:21;
Even by this statement, you yourself are separating the commandments from circumcision.

And yes, circumcision is mentioned quite a bit in the NT. (45 times in the NASB) Usually in negative way.
Rom 2:25-29; Rom 3:1; Rom 4:9-12; 1 Cor 7:19; Gal 2:12; Gal 5:2; Gal 5:6; Gal 6:13;Gal 6:15; Titus 1:10; etc...

The commandments are also mentioned quite a bit in the NT (over 60 times in the NASB) Always in a positive way
Matt 5:19; Matt 15:3; Matt 19:17; Mark 7:8; Luke 1:6; John 14:15; John 14:21; John 15:10; Rom 7:12; Rom 13:9; 1 Cor 7:19;
Eph 6:2; 1 Tim 6:14; 2 Pet 2:21; 1 Jn 2:3; etc...

Some verses do both of these things at once.
Rom 2:26-29; 1 Cor 7:19; etc..

John the Baptist and Jesus were both circumcized. ( Luke 1:59; Luke 2:21; )

The "disadvantage of circumcision of the flesh" was many Jews got circumcized thinking that was all that was needed to saved.
(This continued on into the New testament). See, I'm circumcized, I'm good to go. I don't need to worry about the commandments.
Yet Paul called this "false circumcision" ( Php 3:2; ) Paul goes on the say those who keep the commandments are really the
ones who are circumcized of the heart. ( Rom 2:26-28; Rom 2:13; ). Keeping the commandments are more important than circumcision.

You were nothing but a hypocrite if you were circumcized but did not keep the commandments.

It's much the same today.... the advantage is, we don't have to be circumcized in the flesh anymore.
and just like back then.... circumcision means nothing if you don't keep the commandments.
Many Christians today say.. "I'm saved, I believe in Jesus". But they don't keep His commandments.
Are they really circumcized of the heart? Paul says they aren't. ( Rom 2:26-28; )

Anyone could look at their flesh (circumcision) and "believe" they were saved.
But only God can look at the heart and "know" if they are saved.

You're still a hypocrite if you say you know Jesus but don't keep the commandments.
(1 Jn 2:3-4; 1 Jn 3:24; 1 Jn 5:2; etc... )

 

[Marek]

Brother Bear, what you mean by saying "I choose the sacrifice (the Lamb of God) above my insufficient obedience." If the Messiah became our High Priest, His blood was shed for our past/present/future sins, are we now free to stay in the Egypt (bondage of sin), and for example, celebrate the pagan holidays, worship on Sunday (although without knowledge) that its bad and doesn't please the Father in any way (Deu 23:32-33, James 4:4), (Isa 29:13), or do you think that the Torah was reduced only to the 2 commandments Yahusha quoted from (Deu 6:5), (Lev 19:18)?, the Torah wasn't given only to the biblical jews, but the gentiles, who would want to be grafted into Israel (spiritually meant) and be in covenant with Yahuah also (Num 15:15), (Rev 21:12), (Matt 15:24). I'm not saying that we can perfectly keep the Torah, no, that's why the Father sent Messiah in the first place, and the law of sin and death (physical) was done away with. "And it is righteousness for us when we guard to do all this command before יהוה our Elohim, as He has commanded us." (Deu 6:25), notice it doesn't say, that it is our salvation. - "And this is the love, that we walk according to His commands.This is the command, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it" (2 John 1:6). Keeping His Torah in faith brings blessings to our lives, it should not be viewed as a bondage. If the Torah was in fact reduced to the 2 commandments, then why Yahusha stated - “For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done" (Matt 5:18). I said it before I will say it again, the world is full of wolves in sheep's clothing, we cannot just listen to the teachers, but look into the word and check ourselves if what they say lines up with the word.

 

[B-A-C]

the Torah wasn't given only to the biblical jews, but the gentiles, who would want to be grafted into Israel

Exactly. I would say anyone who doesn't believe this was fed mushrooms.

Josh 8:32; He wrote there on the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he had written, in the presence of the sons of Israel.
Josh 8:33; All Israel with their elders and officers and their judges were standing on both sides of the ark before the Levitical priests who carried the ark of the covenant of the Lord, the stranger as well as the native. Half of them stood in front of Mount Gerizim and half of them in front of Mount Ebal, just as Moses the servant of the Lord had given command at first to bless the people of Israel.
Josh 8:34; Then afterward he read all the words of the law, the blessing and the curse, according to all that is written in the book of the law.
Josh 8:35; There was not a word of all that Moses had commanded which Joshua did not read before all the assembly of Israel with the women and the little ones and the strangers who were]living among them.

Who were these strangers living among the Jews? Most likely people like Rahab the Harlot, she wasn't a Jew.
But she joined the Jews after they defeated Jericho.

Paul calls himself the apostle to the Gentiles. (Acts 9:15; Acts 13:46-47; Gal 1:16; Eph 3:1; Eph 3:8; 1 Tim 2:7; etc... )
and yet how many times in his letters to the Gentiles (almost all of his epistles) did he mention obeying the commandments?
(Rom 13:8-10; 1 Cor 7:19; 1 Thes 4:2; Eph 6:2; etc.... ) literally dozens of times.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear Brother @BAC,
I've been waiting patiently for a reply to the below question which I posted in #47 & 52. Maybe, you feel that I answered it for you in #52. If so, I'm sorry, I was only making an assumption and would not dare speak to what you will answer or I would not be bothering you again. So, if you could please humor me and answer the question it would be most appreciated.

Am I wrong in believing that failing to follow the Law makes us disobedient and we thus lose our Salvation if we ever had it? Yes, Maybe, No

 

[B-A-C]

Dear Brother @BAC,
I've been waiting patiently for a reply to the below question which I posted in #47 & 52. Maybe, you feel that I answered it for you in #52. If so, I'm sorry, I was only making an assumption and would not dare speak to what you will answer or I would not be bothering you again. So, if you could please humor me and answer the question it would be most appreciated.

I think last time, I said "for all practical purposes" yes, and you asked if I was practical

But the short answer here is "yes". It's OK if you call me short.