“The Law of Sin”

[NetChaplain]

Only those who "desire"... to sin are under law?

If that were true then it would make even the unbeliever a little Christ unto themselves!

Those who desire to sin are not righteous and the law was made for them, not the righteous (1 Tim 1:9).

 

[DHC]

The commandments and the law are two different things.

Hello B-A-C.

Could you explain how you derive that the commandments are different to 'the law'.

 

[B-A-C]

Only those who desire to sin are under law. There is no law required for the believer, since he does not desire to sin he does not need to be told not to sin. This is the meaning of, "against such there is no law" (Gal 5:23). Though the believer still sins, it is unwillingly, which is the point, unlike the unsaved which sin willingly (Num 15:24). There was no forgiveness for sinning "presumptuously" (v 30). This also concurs with Hebrews 10:26. The issue is that which is a matter of the heart, which is due to regeneration of the Spirit. Sinning in accordance with your will (not captive), or against your will as in Romans 7 (captive).

This seems quite different from your statement,

"If you mean the TC'S (Law of Moses), only the Hebrew/Jew had to die to it,"

So the next obvious question is... Is believing in Jesus required? Confession of sin? Acknowledging that you need a Savior? Asking him to be your Lord? Repentance?
Or is "not wanting to sin" enough to no longer be under the law? I know many non-believers who don't want to do certain (sinful) things.
On the other hand, I know some professed believers that DO continue to live in sin, and don't necessarily want to stop. (Even a couple on TJ)

 

[B-A-C]

Now it has been covered hundreds (if not thousands) of times here on TJ that we aren't saved by works.

But how about after we are saved? Is any additional sacrifice or discipline on our parts requested?

Rom 12:1; Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.
Php 4:18; But I have received everything in full and have an abundance; I am amply supplied, having received from Epaphroditus what you have sent, a fragrant aroma, an acceptable sacrifice, well-pleasing to God.
Heb 13:15; Through Him then, let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that give thanks to His name.
1 Cor 9:27; but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.
1 Tim 4:7; But have nothing to do with worldly fables fit only for old women. On the other hand, discipline yourself for the purpose of godliness;
Heb 12:11; All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful; yet to those who have been trained by it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness.

 

[NoHype]

Those who desire to sin are not righteous and the law was made for them, not the righteous (1 Tim 1:9).

There are non-believers that desire to do good which are without remission of sin through Christ Jesus. Yet without Christ they are considered 'dead', even when they don't sin. And I've seen some pretty good examples of unbelievers that do good and sin less than a lot of us in the Church. So it's not really that the unrighteous 'desire' to sin, it's that they aren't believers on Christ for the remission of sins they do commit at times.

That's why our Lord Jesus showed this, pointing to the unbelievers that did not know His will...

Luke 12:46-48
46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
(KJV)

 

[Jehonadab]

There are non-believers that desire to do good which are without remission of sin through Christ Jesus. Yet without Christ they are considered 'dead', even when they don't sin. And I've seen some pretty good examples of unbelievers that do good and sin less than a lot of us in the Church. So it's not really that the unrighteous 'desire' to sin, it's that they aren't believers on Christ for the remission of sins they do commit at times.

That's why our Lord Jesus showed this, pointing to the unbelievers that did not know His will...

Luke 12:46-48
46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
(KJV)

Very good point.

Where NetChaplin stated: "Those who desire to sin are not righteous and the law was made for them, not the righteous (1 Tim 1:9)", I think also of Romans 2:14 "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves..."

That shows why the righteous man does not need an externally written law (which the Mosaic law was, an external compulsion by letter carrying with it the threat of punishment).

He lives God's eternal law in the image God by his spirit, already.

Where that becomes difficult for many to see is that the Mosaic Law used physical things to demonstrate spiritual principles. That of course meant those things were binding upon the Jew under the Mosaic law as God commanded them to obey by that external letter in acknowledgment of His authority. I will leave that to discuss in greater detail later.

{QUOTE from OP – paragraph one] “What is your definition of "the Law?" If you mean the TC'S (Law of Moses), only the Hebrew/Jew had to die to it, which is what occurs at rebirth. Mankind is under the curse of "the law of sin," which was incurred to mankind from Adam (Rom 5:12). This law of sin has its force from God's command to Adam that, “thou shalt surely die” (Gen 2:17),” and when sin is finished,” which was at the time of his "transgression" (Rom 5:14; Gen 3:6), the curse of the law of sin and death came into effect.” [END QUOTE]


In the above paragraph I would add 1 Corinthians 15:22 as one of my references, supporting that although the Mosaic Law Covenant is “the letter” that “killeth” referenced at 2 Corinthians 3:6, mankind's flesh actually died with Adam's sinning and thus from that point forward all the flesh could pass along was death.


This is why we must understand that our great God of grace issued the promises to Abraham's spirit rather than to Abraham's flesh.


What does that mean?


It means that even though by a fleshly law of inheritance all of Abraham's firstborn offspring would expect that they had right to those promises, it could only be so if they qualified for it by spirit.


For the promises were never attached to the flesh, but to the spirit.

 

[NoHype]

Before this goes too far one way, there actually are unrighteous that truly 'desire' to sin. In the Old Testament those were labeled as the "workers of iniquity". In the New Testament they are labeled as the "many antichrists" by Apostle John (1 John 2:18), and the "mystery of iniquity" by Apostle Paul in 2 Thess.2:7. They are also the cart full of sins pullers of Isaiah 5:18 (the Hebrew meaning those who pull a cart full of iniquity with a rope for show and tell, like they're proud of their sins). I consider those mainly being about Satan's elect here on earth working the negative side of God's Plan.

Thus I was not referring to those with my above post about non-believers that are good moral people who seek to do right, but just haven't believed on Christ Jesus yet.

The main point of my posts here on this particular thread is about the differences between God's law that is spiritual and sought by the inward man (per Rom.7), vs. the "law of sin" Apostle Paul also defined as being in our fleshy members (per Rom.7).

And, that Paul showed by that Romans 7 Scripture how two laws are at work, with one destined to perish with our flesh bodies. Per 1 Timothy 1:8-10 and Galatians 5, Paul showed how God's law is still in effect today to deal with sin, and that it has a direct connection with today's law and court systems and rulers established in the Christian nations (Rom.13).

And still another point, is that not everything in God's law given to Israel is about Paul's "law of sin" involving our flesh.

The Ten Commandments are divided up into the first 4 dealing with our relationship with God Himself, and the other 6 deal with our civil relationship and responsibility with each other. Then after that God gave Moses many statutes and judgments that deal with violations of the first 4 and also the last 6 Commandments. The first 4 shall never, ever, go away. But some of the statutes and judgments for the last 6 Commandments will perish with this flesh world. (i.e., no marriage in heaven, so no.5; no murder in heaven, so no.6; no sexual immorality in heaven, so no.7; etc.)

 

[Jehonadab]

That is a fascinating connection you have made between "the cart full of sins pullers of Isaiah 5:18" and "Satan's elect here on earth working the negative side of God's Plan".

The question is, To qualify as such, do these ones have to be doing this in full awareness that this is what they are doing?

It takes no awareness of sin to love sin: Proverbs 4:19 "The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble." Proverbs 14:12; Proverbs 16:25 "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."

Anyone that loves what is in reality sin, whether he knows it is sin or not, desires to sin. For, a man does what he desires to do and he desires to do what he loves.

We must understand that the primary trait of the wicked is his pride which deceives even himself, and which prevents the light from entering before him that he might know what he is doing and see to place his steps in a fashion which honors God and exhibits true love of neighbor:

John 3:19 "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

Isaiah 5:20 "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

John 3:20-21 "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."

The thought there is that we who love truth run to the light to make sure what our works are. We welcome inspection and correction.

Likewise, the wicked man does not necessarily know that his ways are wicked. When anyone tries to help him understand it seems to him that they are speaking niavity and foolishness. Why is that? It is because his pride blinds him from seeing and wanting to see.

Psalms 10:2 "The wicked in his pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined."

Psalms 10:4 "The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts."

We must, Zephaniah 2:3 "Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger."

For we desperately need God's wisdom, (Proverbs 2:12-15) "To deliver thee from the way of the evil man, from the man that speaketh froward things; Who leave the paths of uprightness, to walk in the ways of darkness; Who rejoice to do evil, and delight in the frowardness of the wicked; Whose ways are crooked, and they froward in their paths..."

We who love what is right therefore must, (1 Peter 5:8) "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour..."

Satan accomplishes bringing us down primarily by appealing to our own pride and using our pride against us to lead us as his unwitting puppets.

Pride is a very blinding trait, one we ourselves can easily become infected with if we are not careful:

2 Peter 3:17 "Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness."

May we then see that choosing the way of evil in our hearts need not be with open eyes and is in fact most usually with closed eyes insofar as such a person knowing what he or she does. It is the sin of pride which locks their walk into the ways of darkness, for they will not let themselves be corrected.

Romans 10:20-21 "But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people."

Mark 7:5-6 "Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands? He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me."

Matthew 13:15 "For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."

That can become any of us.

2 Peter 3:17 "Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness."


You have said much which I would like to comment upon but I feel that it would be too much to speak of it all at one time.

May we for now at least see that those who desire to sin need not have a consciousness of what they are choosing to do.

Sin's law has them truly deceived (Romans 7:11) and their own pride has locked them into their blindness.

After all, they are called, 'Blind guides', because they are blind.

(Matthew 15:14; Matthew 23:16, 17, 19, 24, 26)

 

[DHC]

Does this mean only Jews need to be born again?

1. The first time the 10 commandments were read after the Jews entered into the promised land, it was read to the Gentiles as well. In fact they were told to sit in a certain place while they were being read.

Josh 8:32; And as the Israelites watched, Joshua copied onto the stones of the altar the instructions Moses had given them.
Josh 8:33; Then all the Israelites—foreigners and native-born alike—along with the elders, officers, and judges, were divided into two groups. One group stood in front of Mount Gerizim, the other in front of Mount Ebal. Each group faced the other, and between them stood the Levitical priests carrying the Ark of the LORD's Covenant. This was all done according to the commands that Moses, the servant of the LORD, had previously given for blessing the people of Israel.
Josh 8:34; Joshua then read to them all the blessings and curses Moses had written in the Book of Instruction.
Josh 8:35; Every word of every command that Moses had ever given was read to the entire assembly of Israel, including the women and children and the foreigners who lived among them.

Eccl 12:13; The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person.

This applies to EVERY person, not just the Jews.

The book of Romans was written to who? Romans!! (They are Gentiles) It was written by Paul, who was the apostle of the Gentiles.

Rom 1:6; And you are included among those Gentiles who have been called to belong to Jesus Christ.
Rom 1:7; I am writing to all of you in Rome who are loved by God and are called to be His own holy people. May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.

Rom 2:11; For God does not show favoritism.
Rom 2:12; When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God's written law. And the Jews, who do have God's law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it.
Rom 2:13; For merely listening to the law doesn't make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in His sight.
Rom 2:14; Even Gentiles, who do not have God's written law, show that they know His law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it.

Rom 13:8; Owe nothing to anyone—except for your obligation to love one another. If you love your neighbor, you will fulfill the requirements of God's law.
Rom 13:9; For the commandments say, "You must not commit adultery. You must not murder. You must not steal. You must not covet." These—and other such commandments—are summed up in this one commandment: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
Rom 13:10; Love does no wrong to others, so love fulfills the requirements of God's law.

Why would Paul tell Gentiles they need to fulfill the requirements of the commandments?

Rom 2:27; In fact, uncircumcised Gentiles who keep God's law will condemn you Jews who are circumcised and possess God's law but don't obey it.

The Corinthians were Gentiles as well.

1 Cor 7:19; For it makes no difference whether or not a man has been circumcised. The important thing is to keep God's commandments.

The commandments and the law are two different things.
The Galations were also Gentiles.

Gal 5:3; I'll say it again. If you are trying to find favor with God by being circumcised, you must obey every regulation in the whole law of Moses.

Joshua, Solomon and Paul (in almost every letter he wrote) knew the Gentiles were accountable to the commandments of the OT just as much as the Jews were.

To say that Gentiles were never obligated to keep these, is just plain false doctrine.

Hello B-A-C.

I was reading your last post # 12 and noticed these quotations of yours seemed incorrect.

Rom 2:27; In fact, uncircumcised Gentiles who keep God's law will condemn you Jews who are circumcised and possess God's law but don't obey it.

Now I will provide the original verse which is different from your version.

Romans 2:27
And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though
having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law?

The difference is yours does not have 'letter of the law' and you insert 'God's law' where it says 'the law'.

Here is another alteration.

Rom 13:8; Owe nothing to anyone—except for your obligation to love one another. If you love your neighbor, you will fulfill the requirements of God's law.

Romans 13:8
8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.

Same problem with this verse, substituting 'God's law' for 'the law'.

Perhaps you should write your own Bible version B-A-C, then you can tailor all the verses to follow your theology.

 

[Jehonadab]

Romans 6:14-15 "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid."

I submit to you that we are either under God's grace or we are under that Law given to Moses, but we cannot be under both.

The 'law of sin', which Paul speaks concerning in Romans chapter 7, only has the power to live and work within us by means of the carnal mind.

And no man can be in Christ and yet also possess that carnal mind.

Why?

Romans 8:7 "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be."

That is why, speaking of 'in the flesh' as being centered with our thinking in the flesh with it's carnal mind-set, Paul says to those who say they are in Christ and Christ in them:

Romans 8:8-9 "So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

We are either under grace or we yet fall under the condemnation for sin of that Old Mosaic Law Covenant.

That law was made for sinners to convict them of sin and open their minds and hearts to see their desperate need of God's grace in Christ that they not fail to appreciate it's value and that they not accept God's grace making a vain use of it. The way I have stated this ought to stimulate your minds to recall Paul's related words and move you to seek those words out so as to compare them with this line of thought. Here is but a few places to begin with: 2 Corinthians 5:14 thru 6:2;

The Mosaic Law was carnal commandment. (Hebrews 7:16)

It in it's entirety, including the Ten Commandments which summarized it, were carnal commandment.

Quite simply, that is because it is only a carnal man that needs to have these things in writing. And even then the carnal man struggles to understand the fulness of the spirit behind these things. For that reason, the carnal man that depends upon handwritten carnal code is greatly limited in the scope of his obedience to God. He lives but a tiny slice of God's righteousness, which is as no righteousness at all, for even one infraction committed in his ignorance of the full spirit of God's righteousness renders him unholy.

He thus remains dead by that carnal law.

And it is a grievous mistake to imagine that one in that situation possesses any favor in the eyes of God.

The grace of God in Christ is the way, not that Old handwritten Law.

Romans 6:14-15 "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid."

 

[NoHype]

That is a fascinating connection you have made between "the cart full of sins pullers of Isaiah 5:18" and "Satan's elect here on earth working the negative side of God's Plan".

The question is, To qualify as such, do these ones have to be doing this in full awareness that this is what they are doing?

Pretty much, yes. Look up a little about the British occultist Aleister Crowley and you should see that clearly. This gets into the "natural brute beasts" subject of 2 Pet.2 and Jude 1. Have you understood that idea? Have you noticed Christ calls Satan's ten horned, seven headed, ten crowned kingdom using that idea of a "beast"? and likewise the false one to come of Rev.13:11 forward? Associate it also with the beast kingdoms of Dan.7, with those of history too, and even with how God punished Nebuchadnezzar to live like a wild animal per Dan.4. This is also related to the tares subject by our Lord Jesus in the parable of the tares of the field (Matt.13).

But still, can a 'tare' be saved by our Lord Jesus Christ? Yes. They also have the opportunity to turn away from the devil and that 'brute beast' nature God gave them for this world, and come to Christ Jesus and become one of His.

Thus the brute beast nature I speak of from 2 Pet.2 and Jude 1 is not about just a non-believer that seeks to do right and loves others as they love theirself, though still being without Christ's Salvation promise and covering. Those are really walking on a thin razor by 'riding that fence', because they can quickly become subject to the influences of the 'brute beasts' that knowingly do evil and hate our Heavenly Father and His Son. In the OT a lot of the descriptions about the "workers of iniquity" is of those like Crowley. It is not always about a wicked person that is merely deceived or full of pride.

I'm aware of the tendency of many brethren to place all sinners in one huge pot, as if they are all just deceived by their own selfish pride. But per God's Word there does exist a group upon this earth that were ordained to follow Satan, and all Christian brethren should be aware of it.

Jude 1:4
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
(KJV)

Jude 1:8
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
(KJV)

Jude 1:10-13
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
(KJV)

 

[Jehonadab]

Jude 10 "..these speak evil of those things which they know not.."

My question is, "To qualify as such, do these ones have to be doing this in full awareness that this is what they are doing?"

That is not to say that there cannot be those who are doing it with an awareness of what they are doing.

The question is, In order to be found fighters against God (which is what these ones are) is it required that they be fully aware of what they do?

I believe it is quite clear from scripture that they do not have to be.

Satan has his various ranks among his soldiers. His generals will naturally know more about what they are doing and why than his many foot soldiers.

His foot soldiers are led astray by the operation of err because they have bought into the illusion of human pride and are easily led to follow after men.

That gives Satan's higher ranking officers an opening to do their recruiting.

But it matters not what ones rank is and how much they know of what they are doing, once they are in that army they are that army.

2 Peter 3:17 "Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness."

If instead of helping the babes in Christ to see how subtle Satan really does his work we make these things out to be as clear as black and white, we leave them vulnerable thru lack of awareness.

Satan does come to you in striking ways but you can bet that for every striking way he shows himself to you it is only to sidetrack you whilst he also comes at you many other subtle ways unnoticed whilst he has your attention captured.

With those subtitles he creates soldiers who know not what they do, but nonetheless do it.

 

[NoHype]

Jude 10 "..these speak evil of those things which they know not.."

My question is, "To qualify as such, do these ones have to be doing this in full awareness that this is what they are doing?"

What you seem to be asking is, do they 'know' God is real but choose to follow the devil anyway?

Per our Lord's 'tares' idea in Matt.13 and the Jude 1 and 2 Pet.2 evidence (especially Jude 1:4), the answer to that is absolutely yes!

The deceived can be following those and not understand about our Heavenly Father and His Son, being led astray. The final evidence of this is how these (most of them?) will still... be against Christ at the end of His future thousand years and will go into the "lake of fire". It's just that as of today, we do not know who all they are. But we are to know, and understand, they exist, which is why our Lord Jesus gave us that parable of the tares of the field.

 

[B-A-C]

Perhaps you should write your own Bible version B-A-C, then you can tailor all the verses to follow your theology.

That was from the NLT (New Living Translation) Here is another translation.

Rom 2:27; in fact, better. Better to keep God's law uncircumcised than break it circumcised. (The Message)

I would ask, where do you think the law came from? Men or God?

 

[DHC]

That was from the NLT (New Living Translation) Here is another translation.

Rom 2:27; in fact, better. Better to keep God's law uncircumcised than break it circumcised. (The Message)

I would ask, where do you think the law came from? Men or God?

Before you ask me about the origin of legislation perhaps you should comment on my previous post.

Does the scripture say what you said it states?

 

[DHC]

That was from the NLT (New Living Translation) Here is another translation.

Rom 2:27; in fact, better. Better to keep God's law uncircumcised than break it circumcised. (The Message)

I would ask, where do you think the law came from? Men or God?

Hello B-A-C.

The phrase 'God's law' does not occur within (Romans 2:27) B-A-C.

The actual phrase used in (Romans 2:27) in the Koine Greek is 'ton nomon' which means 'the law'.

I protest B-A-C, the NLT translation is a corruption of the text (Romans 2:27).

Now you will obviously ask me where 'the law' came from?

If you read (Exodus 19) then it will be evident to you, both the source and the target of 'the law'.

3 Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain, saying,
“Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob and tell the sons of Israel:

5 Now then, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be My own possession
among all the peoples, for all the earth is Mine; 6 and you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.

The source is God and the target audience is physical Israel (a holy nation).

Please B-A-C, read the following part of the text above, ''keep My covenant"

Gentile nations are not included within this covenant B-A-C and the text is clear and straight forward.

Now you understand the difference between a Jew and a Gentile.

Also the difference between those UNDER the law and those not UNDER the law.

If you follow the common misconception that you can remove some of these laws and place yourself
under these laws then you are mistaken. The covenant legislation is clearly listed and only applies to the
covenant people. Circumcision is required for entry into the Mt Sinai covenant and membership of the
nation of Israel is also necessary.

It appears to me and correct me if I am wrong B-A-C. That you have been taught that 'God's law' is
referring to the ten commandments? So you, regardless of the actual Greek text, replace the phrase
'the law' with the phrase 'God's law' in an attempt to give the first ten commandments some elevated
importance.

Where this faulty process of interpretation fails is in the consideration that the ten commandments are
somehow excluded from the Mt Sinai covenant. When God announced the first ten words at Mt Sinai,
they became the very law itself B-A-C. This is not my theology B-A-C but simply what is stated in the text.

To access the ten requires covenant membership. No Gentile nation outside of Israel is able to extract
a law from the covenant, as the stipulated recipients of the covenant has already been announced.

The law is contained with the 'covenant' and to obey all the law is an obedience to the old covenant.