7.753 Billion (2020) People in The WORLD as of "2020" & How many do you Think is going to be SAVED From DAMNATION out of THAT NUMBER

[GodB4Us]

Revelation shows that many will turn to God during that time.
Also, "Narrow is the way and few will find it." will show many will still refuse God even when there's no denying his existence.
Is trying to find a number worth time? I doubt it. The only thing that matter is where one stands: With or against God.

It is after the rapture event after the 3 angels sets up the hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth is when the first of the 3 angels with the everlasting gospel goes out and preach everywhere in the world is when many will come to Him at that time and die.

Revelation 14:1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

The above is not saying that is all that was raptured as redeemed from the land of the living on earth, but who made up Jesus's personal choir that follows Him around everywhere in Heaven.

Below is when the prophesied gospel is preached everywhere before the end comes as stated in Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.".... to be found in verse 8 below.

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

After the rapture and after the angel of the everlasting gospel preach everywhere is when many new believers will come to Jesus because of the impending destruction on a third of the earth. Due note that saints that were not ready for the Bridegroom will be left behind to die as their works shall follow them ( into the dust? ) ( symbolic of wood, stubble, and hay being burned up on that foundation ? )

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

 

[GodB4Us]

You're referencing people who reject God not the rest.
That details on the punishment after it is too late.

• Revelation 7:4 "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed a hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."
• Revelation 7:5-8 "Of the tribe of Judah [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad [were] sealed twelve thousand." "Of the tribe of Asher [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Naphtali [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasseh [were] sealed twelve thousand." "Of the tribe of Simeon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar [were] sealed twelve thousand." "Of the tribe of Zebulon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin [were] sealed twelve thousand".
• Revelation 11:1-4 teaches that these Witnesses will preach God's Word for 42 months (or 3 1/2 years). This is the first half of the Tribulation period. The angel tells John not to measure the outer court of the temple, because after 42 months the Antichrist will proclaim to be god and kill anyone who refuses to worship his IMAGE (Revelation 13:15).

The last one is a very important time. People WILL be saved during the Tribulation which is in Revelation.

Revelation 11:1-13 is about the two witnesses that are not of the 144,000 witnesses from your reference in Revelation 7:4-8. After the rapture, this group of 144,000 new witnesses was specifically chosen from among the living 12 tribes of Israel to be the 144,000 witnesses. I suspect the two witnesses are Enoch & Elijah that will die, be resurrected, and "raptured" midway through the great tribulation as mentioned in Revelation 11:1-13

 

[MedicBravo]

People are going to be saved during that time. At one point during that time it will be too late.
To think and state once it starts then it's too late is simply wrong.

 

[GodB4Us]

People are going to be saved during that time. At one point during that time it will be too late.
To think and state once it starts then it's too late is simply wrong.

If they take the mark of the beast to buy & sell to survive in the New World Order, it is too late.

If the unmarked die before believing in Jesus Christ, it is too late.

 

[PloughBoy]

I thought with God there is always hope?

What, did you not know, That the victory has been already won, did you not know, HE died a violent death, and all his disciple left him and deny they even knew him? Did you not know about Apostle Paul, how all forsake him, and he was left all alone, And "NERO" chop his head off, and They stone "STEPHEN" in The middle of The STREET, And they tied Andrew spread eagle, and pull him apart with "WILD HORSES" and SAWED James into, AND pour HOT oil on Apostle JOHN, And Poor "POLYCARP" and "Athannius" And John Huss, And William Tyndale burn them to the STAKE! and millions more men women and children suffered violent deaths, You A CHILD OF GOD a violent DEAD is your victory! You have been called to DIE! Ask "LAZARUS" who begged for the crumbs that fell from the rich man table, is This hopeless, but in "DEATH" VICTORY! "Paradise Lost PARADISE REGAINED" "JOHN Milton" 1671! are you willing to forsake All,, houses lands employment, family husband wife, hedonism, What are we looking for in Christ Jesus, suffering, happiness, rich, money houses and lands, Christine employments. respectability, Where is our hearts, what do we desire, to do GREAT THINGS FOR GOD? Really! His will is For us, is to suffer that we may become Rich in GLORY!

"Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall exalt you."
[NOT ON EARTH but IN GLORY} where you will be EXALTED! But Our sinful nature wants to be "EXALT on EARTH"! we want "preeminent" here!

Psalm 126:5,6
They that sow in tears shall reap in joy… [JESUS sowed in TEARS and He REAP Joy in GLORY!} The World seek ,fleeting joy But we "EVERLASTING JOY"

We suffer here on earth, we reap Everlasting Joy In GLORY! But the devil want you to rejoice here and be PROSPEROUS, So that you may DISCOURAGE Others!, so that they stumble, and become laden down with despair. When they see your worldly Treasures, and how you brag about how God is So BLESSING YOU with Material wealth. Not realizing That Satan hands out Bribes so you can brag. To discourage the faint in Heart.

Psalm 34
"The righteous cry out, and the Lord hears,
And delivers them out of all their troubles.
The Lord is near to those who have a broken heart,
And saves such as have a contrite spirit.
Many are the afflictions of the righteous,
But the Lord delivers him out of them all."

"AS I walk THROUGH "THE VALLEY OF" The Shadow of Death" You cannot climb out , you cannot lay down, and you cannot turn around! if you wanted too!

"But Jesus replied, “The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. Truly, truly, I tellyou, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the groundand dies, it remains only a seed; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. Whoever loves his life will lose it, but whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.…"

 

[Br. Bear]

@MedicBravo

I posted a response yesterday at 8:59 p.m.
It's further up if you took the time to look for it.

Greetings,

I do realize that, thank you.

May I ask?
Are you rude or presumptuous or simply lack etiquette? Or maybe something else I have missed altogether?


On reading your response I was asking Member @B-A-C in order to ascertain if he was content with the reply you posted, purely out of interest.
As he is a long time member, I replied as I did without tagging etc, as a quote was sufficient.

Please watch your manners as your manners are being watched.
There is no need to reply to this post.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings Brother,

@PloughBoy I do find such out cry more common in the African American nondenominational churches. They often speak out on those issues
which is good, and other times they are criticized for speaking too much out on cultural issues and not sticking to just the Bible.

Do you know how one can find this balance @PloughBoy ?
The balance of speaking out against such issues vs just from preaching the Bible.

The benefits of speaking out is you can teach your people and give them insight and you show by example Biblical courage,
the con is that there is a risk of being too political, cultural, entertainment minded, and pointing the finger at everyone else.

Help us find the balance. Where is it?

IF the message was preached according to the will of God, with His authority and counsel, there would be no need to address the other matters.

When it comes to man, the balance is always found wanting.
Let the dead bury the dead but let us work while it is still day; before they die, in order that they do not.

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this? She saith unto Him, Yea, Lord: I believe that Thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
John 11:25-27


Bless you ....><>

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Greetings Brother,



IF the message was preached according to the will of God, with His authority and counsel, there would be no need to address the other matters.

When it comes to man, the balance is always found wanting.
Let the dead bury the dead but let us work while it is still day; before they die, in order that they do not.

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this? She saith unto Him, Yea, Lord: I believe that Thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
John 11:25-27


Bless you ....><>

Good points to consider.

I'm thinking out-loud and typing as I think. Join me @Br. Bear , @PloughBoy , @GodB4Us , @MedicBravo .

So on the point of balance between preaching just the gospel and preaching as a commentary to what is happening in
the world (entertainment, politics, culture, educational school-systems, new laws passing, etc)
I ask myself what approach did Jesus take?

Based on what I see, and my other brothers in Christ that I have listed can fill in the gaps for what I'm missing and correct my errors;
but based on what is in my memory, Jesus never seemed to preach on specific things in the culture but more about the
principles ( love others, love your enemy, repent of sin, love God, with many parables to illustrate).

However, Jesus did seem to talk about political matters and cultural issues when he was asked a question about it, or saw an opportunity.

(Example 1) Paying taxes to Caesar, that is obviously political. He didn't preach a sermon about paying taxes but when asked
about who they should pay taxes to, he answered "Give to Caesar....give to God.....".

(Example 2) Luke 13:1 "Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose
blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices."

Notice he isn't preaching but they are telling him about this cultural/societal thing happening.
Now Jesus responds and says:

“Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans
because they suffered this way? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish."

So he responded to both political and cultural issues, although only when asked or he noticed
an opportunity.

So based on that, my conclusion is that perhaps the Best Practice (not necessarily fixed but the standard)
is to preach the Bible alone(mostly speaking), and use other mediums such as Bible study classes,
or small group fellowship, or conversations with others, to bring out the application in day to day life.

Once again I'm talking about Best Practice, there are usually often exceptions, but it seems that
this seems to be what Jesus did. Does anyone see a different paradigm used in the teachings of Jesus
than what I just described ( Preach the Bible in sermons --- and ---- Speak on cultural/politics/issues in small group & group study)?

 

[GodB4Us]

Good points to consider.

I'm thinking out-loud and typing as I think. Join me @Br. Bear , @PloughBoy , @GodB4Us , @MedicBravo .

So on the point of balance between preaching just the gospel and preaching as a commentary to what is happening in
the world (entertainment, politics, culture, educational school-systems, new laws passing, etc)
I ask myself what approach did Jesus take?

John 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

I do not believe He would ignore evil.

He cursed the fig tree for not bearing fruit. He did not ignore it by moving on till He found one that did bear fruit. He did bother to curse it.

He is not doing that to sinners that reject Him at this time, as the example was set on the cross, praying to the Father to forgive them for they know not what they do, but I do believe He will expose evil for what it is.

If He did not expose evil and how religious sinners are coming short, then what need do sinners have for the Saviour?

 

[MedicBravo]

@Jesus_is_LORD
Being where he was born and his genetic makeup he and the rest were under Roman rule. He couldn't avoid politics but He wasn't here for that.
If "leaders" want something let them have it (within reason) and since God owns all of it it doesn't matter in the end.
People wrongfully believe that all sins are the same and they aren't. Same as in all lead to death and eternal separation from God if he/she doesn't repent and change themselves. The sins of themselves are not equal.
I use several aids along with my study and have learned a lot over the recent years. I haven't been to a church since Fall 2017. That....is another story.
People need to remind themselves that very second of history and every topic was not recorded in the Bible. The people who wrote and compiled it knew what pointless mess to leave out and what to put in.

 

[GodB4Us]

@Jesus_is_LORD
Being where he was born and his genetic makeup he and the rest were under Roman rule. He couldn't avoid politics but He wasn't here for that.
If "leaders" want something let them have it (within reason) and since God owns all of it it doesn't matter in the end.
People wrongfully believe that all sins are the same and they aren't. Same as in all lead to death and eternal separation from God if he/she doesn't repent and change themselves. The sins of themselves are not equal.
I use several aids along with my study and have learned a lot over the recent years. I haven't been to a church since Fall 2017. That....is another story.
People need to remind themselves that very second of history and every topic was not recorded in the Bible. The people who wrote and compiled it knew what pointless mess to leave out and what to put in.

For those sinners and even believers reading this, when you fail to change yourselves, what is impossible for man, is possible with Jesus Christ. Since we cannot save ourselves, then the only way to change ourselves is to surrender & trust the Lord Jesus Christ to help us to do it since that is His purpose to destroy the works of the devil in our lives. Trust in Him as your Good Shepherd & Friend today for all things & not just that you are saved simply for having believed in Him.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure...
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

John 8:30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Galatians 3:1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Galatians 5:1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage....
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:...
11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

 

[PloughBoy]

Good points to consider.

I'm thinking out-loud and typing as I think. Join me @Br. Bear , @PloughBoy , @GodB4Us , @MedicBravo .

So on the point of balance between preaching just the gospel and preaching as a commentary to what is happening in
the world (entertainment, politics, culture, educational school-systems, new laws passing, etc)
I ask myself what approach did Jesus take?

Based on what I see, and my other brothers in Christ that I have listed can fill in the gaps for what I'm missing and correct my errors;
but based on what is in my memory, Jesus never seemed to preach on specific things in the culture but more about the
principles ( love others, love your enemy, repent of sin, love God, with many parables to illustrate).

However, Jesus did seem to talk about political matters and cultural issues when he was asked a question about it, or saw an opportunity.

(Example 1) Paying taxes to Caesar, that is obviously political. He didn't preach a sermon about paying taxes but when asked
about who they should pay taxes to, he answered "Give to Caesar....give to God.....".

(Example 2) Luke 13:1 "Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose
blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices."

Notice he isn't preaching but they are telling him about this cultural/societal thing happening.
Now Jesus responds and says:

“Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans
because they suffered this way? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish."

So he responded to both political and cultural issues, although only when asked or he noticed
an opportunity.

So based on that, my conclusion is that perhaps the Best Practice (not necessarily fixed but the standard)
is to preach the Bible alone(mostly speaking), and use other mediums such as Bible study classes,
or small group fellowship, or conversations with others, to bring out the application in day to day life.

Once again I'm talking about Best Practice, there are usually often exceptions, but it seems that
this seems to be what Jesus did. Does anyone see a different paradigm used in the teachings of Jesus
than what I just described ( Preach the Bible in sermons --- and ---- Speak on cultural/politics/issues in small group & group study)?

You mention a lot here to be discussed, a lot! And I might not reach it all, matter of fact I know I am not.
1.Render Caesar's what is Caesars, Give to GOD what is God, although Caesar's inscription is on the Coin.
""""Now you must read the TEXT good in "context". "The Lawyers are there, The Experts in Law and "THE LAW CREATOR"" They are trying to trick Him. [when I 1st. start reading this a long time ago, I know how this was going to end, And I burst out laughing!] [ it was like my Father had said to to me; [watch this]

....A. 19And the chief priests and the scribes the same hour sought to lay hands on him; and they feared the people: for they perceived that he had spoken this parable against them. 20And they watched him, and sent forth spies, which should feign themselves just men, that they might take hold of his words, that so they might deliver him unto the power and authority of the governor. 21And they asked him, saying, Master, we know that thou sayest and teachest rightly, neither acceptest thou the person of any, but teachest the way of God truly: 22Is it lawful for us to give tribute unto Caesar, or no? 23But he perceived their craftiness, and said unto them, Why tempt ye me? 24Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar's. 25And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's. 26And they could not take hold of his words before the people: and they marvelled at his answer, and held their peace.

...a. "The Creator of THE LAW" TOLD THEM, "Give to GOD, The THINGS THAT BELONGS TO GOD" HE SHUT Them DOWN! "COLD"!
..... "Now you modern day scholars, Tell Me, WHAT BELONGS to GOD? So in essence, The Trappers got Caught, in their own Trap and they knew it! "GOD OWNS EVERYTHING" "even The Cattle on A THOUSANDS HILLS" "They knew that Old Testament BOOK" and you know well, in essence "GOD" brought it to Their REMEMBRANCE and "Illuminated" its intensity. They were Trying to TRAP "THE WORD OF GOD"!

Now moving on.

2.....I do think our modern day view of The word "Preaching" is So distorted from "Archaic' > "Proclaim", "proclamation".Proclaimer'.
.......personally I think "preaching" has become so mix up in delivery a biblical message, that the biblical message gets so lost in "the so much clutter", by the speaker and the introduction of The speaker. [but make sure the Bible is being proclaim not "how to love your wife and when to take her out"

So I do agree with you:
"So based on that, my conclusion is that perhaps the Best Practice (not necessarily fixed but the standard)
is to preach the Bible alone(mostly speaking), and use other mediums such as Bible study classes,
or small group fellowship, or conversations with others, to bring out the application in day to day life."

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

John 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

I do not believe He would ignore evil.

He cursed the fig tree for not bearing fruit. He did not ignore it by moving on till He found one that did bear fruit. He did bother to curse it.

He is not doing that to sinners that reject Him at this time, as the example was set on the cross, praying to the Father to forgive them for they know not what they do, but I do believe He will expose evil for what it is.

If He did not expose evil and how religious sinners are coming short, then what need do sinners have for the Saviour?

Thanks for sharing.

Did you read my post?

I did not state that Jesus ignored evil.
I'm pointing out that it seems (and show me if you see different, the scripture),
that Jesus did not use his sermons to preach on specific people, political issues (Casser, Roman occupation), cultural specifics).

Yet these evil things that you speak of, I'm stating that he did speak on in other context, such as when he was questioned
and in groups with his disciples and with the sinners when he was dining with them.

So by saying, "I don't think Jesus would ignore evil", you are missing my point or not hearing me out.

I'm saying that he didn't ignore it, he did address it, however the place and time and means, was not in his sermons
when he was preaching in the temple. I may be wrong so, If so, please show me a sermon text where Jesus talked about
politics specifically in a sermon given in the temple; and I will be the better for learning.


Perhaps this example will help.
You are a supervisor and you notice your employee came into work drunk.
Do you address it or do you ignore it?
If you wait until after the staff meeting, call the employee into your room and
tell them that they are drunk and if they don't get it together they will be fired,
would you say you have ignored the problem? Of course not, you didn't ignore
the problem, you choose to address it in a meeting with them and not the general staff meeting.

That would not be ignoring the problem, would it?
Not addressing every thing in every place and at every time is not called ignoring
it, it is called wisdom.

Have you every been in a relationship, do you have children? Is everytime the right
time to address everything? Are some times and places better to address a topic?
Of course, does that mean that you are ignoring something because you address it in
on setting and not another?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

@Jesus_is_LORD
Being where he was born and his genetic makeup he and the rest were under Roman rule. He couldn't avoid politics but He wasn't here for that.
If "leaders" want something let them have it (within reason) and since God owns all of it it doesn't matter in the end.
People wrongfully believe that all sins are the same and they aren't. Same as in all lead to death and eternal separation from God if he/she doesn't repent and change themselves. The sins of themselves are not equal.
I use several aids along with my study and have learned a lot over the recent years. I haven't been to a church since Fall 2017. That....is another story.
People need to remind themselves that very second of history and every topic was not recorded in the Bible. The people who wrote and compiled it knew what pointless mess to leave out and what to put in.

Thanks for the reply, I still don't understand your thoughts on what was Jesus' approach to these issues.

You are sharing many points but I'm struggling to connect the dots, please assist if your patience is there.
Thank you.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

You mention a lot here to be discussed, a lot! And I might not reach it all, matter of fact I know I am not.
1.Render Caesar's what is Caesars, Give to GOD what is God, although Caesar's inscription is on the Coin.
""""Now you must read the TEXT good in "context". "The Lawyers are there, The Experts in Law and "THE LAW CREATOR"" They are trying to trick Him. [when I 1st. start reading this a long time ago, I know how this was going to end, And I burst out laughing!] [ it was like my Father had said to to me; [watch this]

....A. 19And the chief priests and the scribes the same hour sought to lay hands on him; and they feared the people: for they perceived that he had spoken this parable against them. 20And they watched him, and sent forth spies, which should feign themselves just men, that they might take hold of his words, that so they might deliver him unto the power and authority of the governor. 21And they asked him, saying, Master, we know that thou sayest and teachest rightly, neither acceptest thou the person of any, but teachest the way of God truly: 22Is it lawful for us to give tribute unto Caesar, or no? 23But he perceived their craftiness, and said unto them, Why tempt ye me? 24Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar's. 25And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's. 26And they could not take hold of his words before the people: and they marvelled at his answer, and held their peace.

...a. "The Creator of THE LAW" TOLD THEM, "Give to GOD, The THINGS THAT BELONGS TO GOD" HE SHUT Them DOWN! "COLD"!
..... "Now you modern day scholars, Tell Me, WHAT BELONGS to GOD? So in essence, The Trappers got Caught, in their own Trap and they knew it! "GOD OWNS EVERYTHING" "even The Cattle on A THOUSANDS HILLS" "They knew that Old Testament BOOK" and you know well, in essence "GOD" brought it to Their REMEMBRANCE and "Illuminated" its intensity. They were Trying to TRAP "THE WORD OF GOD"!

Now moving on.

2.....I do think our modern day view of The word "Preaching" is So distorted from "Archaic' > "Proclaim", "proclamation".Proclaimer'.
.......personally I think "preaching" has become so mix up in delivery a biblical message, that the biblical message gets so lost in "the so much clutter", by the speaker and the introduction of The speaker. [but make sure the Bible is being proclaim not "how to love your wife and when to take her out"

So I do agree with you:
"So based on that, my conclusion is that perhaps the Best Practice (not necessarily fixed but the standard)
is to preach the Bible alone(mostly speaking), and use other mediums such as Bible study classes,
or small group fellowship, or conversations with others, to bring out the application in day to day life."

Thanks for the response and addressing the question and coming to a clear conclusion.
I'm hoping others responding will do the same.

 

[GodB4Us]

Thanks for sharing.

Did you read my post?

I had thought I did.

You posted: "So on the point of balance between preaching just the gospel and preaching as a commentary to what is happening in
the world (entertainment, politics, culture, educational school-systems, new laws passing, etc)
I ask myself what approach did Jesus take?"

I did not state that Jesus ignored evil.

I know you did not. The balance being Jesus would approach it the same whereas the possibility that He would approach it differently, let's say to an extreme point of view, I would point out that He would not ignore the evil is all.

I'm pointing out that it seems (and show me if you see different, the scripture),
that Jesus did not use his sermons to preach on specific people, political issues (Casser, Roman occupation), cultural specifics).

Yet these evil things that you speak of, I'm stating that he did speak on in other context, such as when he was questioned
and in groups with his disciples and with the sinners when he was dining with them.

So by saying, "I don't think Jesus would ignore evil", you are missing my point or not hearing me out.

My addressing the question of the balance was merely to remove the possibility of the extreme view as if Jesus would ignore the evil until He was approached which He would not.

I'm saying that he didn't ignore it, he did address it, however the place and time and means, was not in his sermons
when he was preaching in the temple. I may be wrong so, If so, please show me a sermon text where Jesus talked about
politics specifically in a sermon given in the temple; and I will be the better for learning.

Well, granted He was not giving a sermon at that time but He did make a whip of sort used it to drive the money changers out of the Temple and not just overturned their tables.

John 2:13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.

This is the only gospel that testify to Him making a whip in driving them out whereas the other three gospels only mentioned that He drove them out but not how He did it.

Perhaps this example will help.
You are a supervisor and you notice your employee came into work drunk.
Do you address it or do you ignore it?
If you wait until after the staff meeting, call the employee into your room and
tell them that they are drunk and if they don't get it together they will be fired,
would you say you have ignored the problem? Of course not, you didn't ignore
the problem, you choose to address it in a meeting with them and not the general staff meeting.

That would not be ignoring the problem, would it?
Not addressing every thing in every place and at every time is not called ignoring
it, it is called wisdom.

Jesus did set that example.

Matthew 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Have you every been in a relationship,

Besides my reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ since I was a tot, just my family and two older brothers.

do you have children?

Nope. I do hope in Christ Jesus when He brings me Home perfect to be with my beloved whom will be made perfect as well, and have fun with Him in playing with any of the little children that are up there.

Is everytime the right time to address everything? Are some times and places better to address a topic?
Of course, does that mean that you are ignoring something because you address it in
on setting and not another?

Not very many opportunities to do as Jesus had taught, of course, growing up, I do not believe I was taught under that guideline either by my folks or the church, so no. Later on Jesus taught me that but kind of hard to correct people in forums privately when the offense or iniquity needs to be addressed by all who read the post that could lead other astray.

 

[MedicBravo]

Jesus came to seek and save the lost. His primary goal.
It wasn't to start a church or "Wow" people with miracles nor get into politics.
Being God as Man and the smartest being ever I'm sure He had no problem choosing words and conveying things effectively.
Back to the OP, Revelation tells that most will not go to Heaven. There's no accurate number but as Christians we must do all we can to help as many as we can. Especially those we selfishly think don't deserve God. That realization was not easy to learn for me.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

I had thought I did.

You posted: "So on the point of balance between preaching just the gospel and preaching as a commentary to what is happening in
the world (entertainment, politics, culture, educational school-systems, new laws passing, etc)
I ask myself what approach did Jesus take?"

I know you did not. The balance being Jesus would approach it the same whereas the possibility that He would approach it differently, let's say to an extreme point of view, I would point out that He would not ignore the evil is all.

My addressing the question of the balance was merely to remove the possibility of the extreme view as if Jesus would ignore the evil until He was approached which He would not.

Well, granted He was not giving a sermon at that time but He did make a whip of sort used it to drive the money changers out of the Temple and not just overturned their tables.

John 2:13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.

This is the only gospel that testify to Him making a whip in driving them out whereas the other three gospels only mentioned that He drove them out but not how He did it.

Jesus did set that example.

Matthew 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Besides my reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ since I was a tot, just my family and two older brothers.

Nope. I do hope in Christ Jesus when He brings me Home perfect to be with my beloved whom will be made perfect as well, and have fun with Him in playing with any of the little children that are up there.

Not very many opportunities to do as Jesus had taught, of course, growing up, I do not believe I was taught under that guideline either by my folks or the church, so no. Later on Jesus taught me that but kind of hard to correct people in forums privately when the offense or iniquity needs to be addressed by all who read the post that could lead other astray.

Thanks for the detailed response and addressing each point I brought up in detail.
Thank you very much.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

what does a light do?


Bless you ....><>

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Greetings,

what does a light do?


Bless you ....><>

A light shines.