A discussion on hell moved from thread What if you die tonight

[Wired 4 Fishen]

So, as I have asked Jim. Show me the evidence. Show me examples of God's hatred of a human or angel.

Please stop claiming people said things they have not.

If you wish to believe that God loves the devil that's your right.

God hates sin.
I have said over and over we are to hate the sin but love the person.

God has not once said we are to love satan.

Scripture refers to people when it is said love your enemies.

Blessings to you

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

What we do see, is Jesus honoring their request to be cast into pigs. IE God who loves animals / pigs, showed more love for the demons.

Pigs showed love ?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

But it' not a simple issue when you say God hates a creation. You have to prove it. What evidence do you have?

What does it take to get you to grasp that I said God does not love the devil.
We are to hate sin but love the sinner.

 

[KingJ]

1. I have said over and over we are to hate the sin but love the person. 2. God has not once said we are to love satan.
3. Scripture refers to people when it is said love your enemies 4. Pigs showed love ?

1. The person that goes to hell too? If, Yes, how do you show your continued love for them? If, No, how do you show your hatred?
2. He has not said He hates satan. There is no evidence in the bible of Him hating satan. Why do you preach God hates satan? God cannot hate a creation. If you say He hates a creation, you have to prove it. Or stop saying it if you can't. It is not for me ''to believe if I wish''. It is a material issue. Saying God hates is saying God is wicked. Prove it.
3. When has God ever told us to do something He Himself is not prepared to do? When His enemy tempted Him in the wilderness, did He show hatred?
4. Please re-read.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Some people have the idea that Hades and the Lake of Fire are a country club. Just a nice place to go that isn't heaven.

Many also believe that Abrahams bosom still exist today.

Many don't grasp that Hades and paradise before Christ is not the way it is today after Christ.

After The Cross, Jesus took those in paradise with Him into Heaven.

Blessings to you

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

1. The person that goes to hell too?
2. He has not said He hates satan. There is no evidence in the bible of Him hating satan. Why do you preach God hates satan? God cannot hate a creation. If you say He hates a creation, you have to prove it. Or stop saying it if you can't. It is not for me ''to believe if I wish''. It is a material issue. Saying God hates is saying God is wicked. Prove it.
3. When has God ever told us to do something He Himself is not prepared to do? When His enemy tempting Him in the wilderness, did He show hatred?
4. Please re-read.

Brother please stop trying to stir things up.

God does not love sin because it destroys His people and Seperates them from Him.

God does not love the devil.

We are to live the person not the sin.
Loving our enemies is referring to people.

 

[B-A-C]

BAC, you know scripture well. You should be teaching better. Please understand the picture you are drawing of God.

These scriptures are true, but more half truths.

The picture I am painting? I am posting scripture. Scripture isn't half truth. Scripture is ALL truth.
We certainly don't want to paint a picture that God is OK with whatever you do, and there is no punishment for it.

Instead of trying to bend the Bible to what we "think" it should say. We need to take it for what it DOES say.
If the Bible doesn't agree with our theology... maybe our theology is wrong.

I don't know why people try to complicate it. Get out your secret decoder ring, turn on a black light, and if you squint just right and count every fourth letter
it says this. The Bible isn't that complicated. It says what it says. We just need to take it for what it says instead of trying to change it into something else.

 

[KingJ]

Brother please stop trying to stir things up.

God does not love sin because it destroys His people and Seperates them from Him.

God does not love the devil.

We are to live the person not the sin.
Loving our enemies is referring to people.

Please can you quote me or answer my questions in point form. I would like to hear your response to my points 1-4. Thanks

 

[KingJ]

We just need to take it for what it says instead of trying to change it into something else.

When you quote half the scripture or a single verse or isolated words, it is exactly that that you trying to do. You are 100% guilty of what you are accusing me of.

I have taken your scripture and extended it to the next few verses and in other instances applied other scriptures to yours. I have not disagreed with or disregarded any scripture you have brought.

As I have said before. You have not included Christianity or God into your cherry picked scriptures. 100% on par with Calvinists quoting Rom 9:14.

Prove to me that God utterly hates wicked people and that eternal torture in fire night and day is to be taken literally.

Also, please if you accuse me as you are, quote the statements I made that you see as twisting scripture. All I can take from your post is that it is an unfounded insult.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

1. The person that goes to hell too? If, Yes, how do you show your continued love for them? If, No, how do you show your hatred?
2. He has not said He hates satan. There is no evidence in the bible of Him hating satan. Why do you preach God hates satan? God cannot hate a creation. If you say He hates a creation, you have to prove it. Or stop saying it if you can't. It is not for me ''to believe if I wish''. It is a material issue. Saying God hates is saying God is wicked. Prove it.
3. When has God ever told us to do something He Himself is not prepared to do? When His enemy tempted Him in the wilderness, did He show hatred?
4. Please re-read.

1. If a person is in hell then there is no hope for them.
You ask how would you show Love for them?
We dont.. We will have no contact with them.

2. I have said there is no love for satan.
Why do you feel God loves the one who destroys His people?
There is no hope for satan.

3 you are confusing the issue .
satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness before the cross and before he was defeated and the keys of death were taken back by Jesus.

Jesus showed no love for satan but sent him packing by using Scriprure.
satan tried to trick Jesus using bits of scripture .

If you love someone do you make them a foot stool for your son?

A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Blessings to you

 

[KingJ]

1. If a person is in hell then there is no hope for them.
You ask how would you show Love for them?
We dont.. We will have no contact with them.

2. I have said there is no love for satan.
Why do you feel God loves the one who destroys His people?
There is no hope for satan.

3 you are confusing the issue .
satan temper Jesus in the wilderness before the cross and before he was defeated and the keys of death were taken back by Jesus.

Jesus showed no love for satan but sent him packing by using Scriprure.
satan tried to trick Jesus using bits of scripture .

If you love someone do you make them a foot stool for your son?

A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Blessings to you

1. Do you have hatred with your 'entire being' for those in hell? Or are you saying you are neutral. Neither hate nor love.
2. Saying there is no love for him is worlds apart from saying He hates him. You have said, God hates satan. You need to prove that. Unless you are retracting that statement.
3. I asked if Jesus showed hatred for satan. Did He?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

1. Do you have hatred with your 'entire being' for those in hell? Or are you saying you are neutral. Neither hate nor love.
2. Saying there is no love for him is worlds apart from saying He hates him. You have said, God hates satan. You need to prove that. Unless you are retracting that statement.
3. I asked if Jesus showed hatred for satan. Did He?

A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Psalm. 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Psalm 26:5
I have hated the congregation of evil doers; and will not sit with the wicked.

That's all you are going to get.
If you begin to walk in love and stop all the put downs on people then I will continue.

Proverbs 22:24
Don't befriend angry people or associate with hot-tempered people,

Blessings to you and your family

 

[B-A-C]

Does God love Satan? I don't know. Does He love the unsaved? John 3:16 says He loved so much He sent His Son to die for them.
Rom 5:8; says God loved us while we were yet sinners.

Just because God loves people doesn't mean they are saved. And even if He does love some of these people. They are still going to hell and the Lake of Fire.
I'm not sure what God loving or hating people has to do with where they end up.

 

[KingJ]

I want to share a vision I believe God gave me last night. It was on the torment people will experience in hell.

In my vision I saw God. How good He was. How full of love He was. How eager He was to have the wicked justified.

I then saw the wicked. Their reaction to grasping how good God was. That alone caused much suffering. I was reminded of Prov 25:22 ''in doing so you will heap coals of fire on their head''.

Have you guys ever thought about this? I mean truly truly thought about it.

An example that comes to mind: Lets say you were upset with your neighbor. Their tree dropped fruit in your garden. So you took eggs and egged their house. The next day their tree fell into your garden. So you take your baseball bat to go and pay them a visit. You ring the bell and then see a sweet old granny who has a basket of cookies waiting for you, greet you.

That realization of your wickedness, stupidity, pride, error leads to regret and frustration. How wrong you were about God. How 'wrong' you are. That reality eats at you. You accept who you are. You accept you cannot be in their house. But you are in a state of torment. Torment due to who you are. Due to what you have done. How wrong you were and how wrong you are. Those in hell weep and gnash their teeth Luke 13:28 because the look up and ''see'' the light.

 

[KingJ]

I'm not sure what God loving or hating people has to do with where they end up.

A God that ''hates'' His enemy needs to be greatly feared. Because there is no limits to the punishment coming. A brazen bull is a high possibility. Looking at humans who hated, like Nero, its a reality. Now all Christians preach this when they don't explain hell fire and brimstone in context of who God is.

A God that is neutral, would annihilate His enemy. As we do with a lethal injection. No sign of hatred, no sign of love.

A God that loves His enemy, will make a home for His enemy to live out their existence. Obviously away from those who love Him, as no isolation of the wicked would be, as you have said before, hatred of the good.

 

[KingJ]

A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Psalm. 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Psalm 26:5
I have hated the congregation of evil doers; and will not sit with the wicked.

That's all you are going to get.
If you begin to walk in love and stop all the put downs on people then I will continue.

Proverbs 22:24
Don't befriend angry people or associate with hot-tempered people,

Blessings to you and your family

You rile me with how you insult, dodge and create red herrings. As you are doing once again....

There are a couple scriptures I could quote on this not being Christian behavior either.