ARE THERE ARE TWO GOSPELS?

[Bill]

I was asking what is the gospel
What do we believe to saved unto eternal life

May Jesus feel us with his love and wisdom

Well you have two questions. The first is "I was asking what is the gospel" and that I have answered to you what it is. A gospel is an authentic writing about Jesus - in this case we have four eyewitness accounts.

" what do we believe to save unto eternal life" I think what you mean is "what do we need to be saved for eternal life"

The bottom line is to 1) except Jesus as your lord and savior. This is the most important one and it is the Crux of everything. Crux - the center point.

2) understand that Jesus died for our sins 3) be baptized with water 4) understand and know that Jesus rose from the dead 5) Jesus is God.

Love God with all your heart, love God with all your mind, love God with all your spirit, love God with all your strength

Love your neighbor as yourself.

If you learn of an understand these things and let God settle in your heart you will be saved.

 

[Bill]

The gospel is the good news. This came from the prophets, then the apostles testified that what the prophets wrote was indeed true. I saw some people saying there are 4 gospels in this thread. There is only one gospel. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are simply giving an account of their experience. Adam sinned against God and because of what he did all mankind was going to be cut off but Jesus came and salvage this creation. That's where salvation came from to salvage something that was ruined. When Jesus told his disciples to preach the gospel all they had were the writings of prophets from Genesis to Malachi. We now have the law and the testimony. The entire bible is teaching the gospel from Genesis to Revelation.

Revelation 19: 10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Mark 16: 14 - 15
14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

I know you mean well, but there's no point in making it so complicated for someone asking a simple question.

 

[DougE]

Most people just stay in Paul's writing because they think Paul is teaching against God's 10 commandments.

We are to follow Paul as he follows Christ
Paul is our apostle
Jesus revealed the formation of the new church, the body of Christ
Jesus gave his commandments, instructions, and doctrine thru Paul

Paul does indeed restate the ten commandments

PAUL REFLECTS THE TEN COMMANDMENTS​

 

[DougE]

My gospel is found in the entire bible and Paul also wrote concerning this.

This expresses nothing and is meaningless
The gospel is that Christ died for our sins and rose for our justification

 

[DougE]

May Jesus feel us with his love and wisdom

Well you have two questions. The first is "I was asking what is the gospel" and that I have answered to you what it is. A gospel is an authentic writing about Jesus - in this case we have four eyewitness accounts.

" what do we believe to save unto eternal life" I think what you mean is "what do we need to be saved for eternal life"

The bottom line is to 1) except Jesus as your lord and savior. This is the most important one and it is the Crux of everything. Crux - the center point.

2) understand that Jesus died for our sins 3) be baptized with water 4) understand and know that Jesus rose from the dead 5) Jesus is God.

Love God with all your heart, love God with all your mind, love God with all your spirit, love God with all your strength

Love your neighbor as yourself.

If you learn of an understand these things and let God settle in your heart you will be saved.

Water baptism isnt part of the gospel, that was for Israel
Here is the gospel

THE GOSPEL​

 

[DougE]

The gospel is the good news. This came from the prophets,

Our gospel was revealed by Jesus to Paul and was kept secret from the prophets

 

[DougE]

@DougE Three posts from you and not one is an efforted reply. You don't deserve any reply until you show that you can properly read and reply to a post (Post 15....).

Even your OP lacks depth. Reading your threads is like being on X. I am guessing that you were looking for X and landed here by mistake?

I answered your post #15
So now please tell me what you say our gospel is

 

[KingJ]

Please show me from Paul where the body of Christ is commanded this........."Baptism is important because it is a public declaration that someone has decided to follow Jesus."

Doug, that is moving the goalposts. The claim was that baptism is part of Christian discipleship, not that Paul had to use the exact phrase, "Baptism is a public declaration."

Paul clearly baptized converts, approved of baptism, and never taught believers to stop baptizing. If your position were correct, Paul's own practice would contradict it.

I find it significant that believing the gospel of the kingdom required baptism but Paul's gospel doesnt

Repeating that baptism is mentioned in one context and not emphasized in another does not prove two gospels. To prove two gospels, you would need to show two different ways of salvation.

Paul preached the same Christ, the same cross, the same resurrection, and the same salvation by faith. Different emphases do not create different gospels.

Paul's baptism arent pertinant

Paul's baptisms are absolutely pertinent because your argument is that baptism separates Paul's gospel from that of Jesus and the apostles.

If Paul himself baptized converts, then baptism cannot be the dividing line you claim it is. You cannot dismiss evidence simply because it disproves your conclusion.

I have no idea what you mean by emphasis or anything here

By emphasis I mean one writer may focus on a particular aspect of ministry without excluding other aspects.

For example, Paul emphasizes preaching in 1 Corinthians 1:17, yet the same chapter shows that he baptized people. Therefore, emphasizing preaching does not mean baptism disappeared, just as mentioning baptism elsewhere does not create a different gospel.

 

[KingJ]

I answered your post #15
So now please tell me what you say our gospel is

Paul states it clearly in 1 Cor 15:1-4: Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again on the third day. Paul also said, "I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified" (1 Corinthians 2:2).

Salvation, which is our reconciliation and reunification with God, is through Jesus Christ alone. There has never been another Savior, another cross, or another way for sinners to be made right with God. Anyone gifted saving faith by the Holy Spirit 1 Cor 12:3 will be able to call Jesus Lord and believe He was raised from the dead Rom 10:9 and will be saved from their sins.

Rom 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

The apostles agreed with Paul, not opposed him. In Galatians 2, they extended to him the right hand of fellowship, and in Acts 15 they confirmed the same message of salvation by God's grace. Different ministries do not create different gospels. There is one Christ, one cross, one resurrection, and one gospel.

 

[Bill]

Water baptism isnt part of the gospel, that was for Israel
Here is the gospel

THE GOSPEL​

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

Why did the apostles baptize people in Acts, this was after Jesus died rose from the dead and ascended into heaven

 

[KingJ]

May Jesus feel us with his love and wisdom

That is a funny typo there Bill

 

[Bill]

That is a funny typo there Bill

May Jesus fill us with his love and humor

Voice to chat hates me

 

[JunoTheServant]

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

I know you mean well, but there's no point in making it so complicated for someone asking a simple question.

I did make it simple. I kept it to two scripture and explained clearly what the gospel is because the gospel means the good news.

This expresses nothing and is meaningless
The gospel is that Christ died for our sins and rose for our justification

Cool

Our gospel was revealed by Jesus to Paul and was kept secret from the prophets

I suggest you go back and read the law and the prophets because this statement is false.

 

[DougE]

I did make it simple. I kept it to two scripture and explained clearly what the gospel is because the gospel means the good news.

Cool

I suggest you go back and read the law and the prophets because this statement is false.

Please show me from the law and prophets where Christ's shed blood was for ALL
Show from the law and prophets that Christ would die for ALL and rise for OUR justification

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

Did the Jews/Israel need to be taught to understand the significance of Christ's blood?

Did the Apostle Peter claim that the blessing is for the Gentiles also (see Book of Acts)

Would the Gentiles have any idea about shed blood, atonement, justification, redemption, grace, and God's salvation and Messiah?


Bless you (all) ....><>

 

[DougE]

Did the Jews/Israel need to be taught to understand the significance of Christ's blood?

Hey Bear
They knew that blood offering would remit their sins, but I cant think of where they were taught it was based on Christ's blood

 

[DougE]

Did the Apostle Peter claim that the blessing is for the Gentiles also (see Book of Acts)

As far as I know not until Acts 10

 

[DougE]

Greetings,

Did the Jews/Israel need to be taught to understand the significance of Christ's blood?

Did the Apostle Peter claim that the blessing is for the Gentiles also (see Book of Acts)

Would the Gentiles have any idea about shed blood, atonement, justification, redemption, grace, and God's salvation and Messiah?


Bless you (all) ....><>

Gentiles would have heard of Israel's God and they could become proselytes

 

[JunoTheServant]

Please show me from the law and prophets where Christ's shed blood was for ALL
Show from the law and prophets that Christ would die for ALL and rise for OUR justification

Isaiah 53: 1 - 10
1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?

2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

 

[DougE]

Isaiah 53: 1 - 10
1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?

2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

[Isaiah 53:8 KJV] "He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken." ********* He died for MY PEOPLE NOT ALL


[Isaiah 53:12 KJV] "Therefore will I divide him [a portion] with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors." ******* he bare the sin of MANY NOT ALL

Read my question and note I said show me where he died for ALL