autism & the mark of the beast

[Dave M]

What determines if you are a true believer or not is genuinely accepting Jesus Christ as Your Savior and for forgiveness of your sins.

No man is qualified to answer this question on his own authority, BUT the word of God tells us

John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

 

[Brad Huber]

I don't think the vaccine is the mark. But as far as believers being deceived.
When you read the King James version below, many take this to mean the "elect" can't or won't
be deceived. This is mostly because of the way certain wordings have changed in English over the 500 years.
But all of the other translations seem to say, some of the elect "can" (and will) be deceived.

Matthew 24:24
(ASV) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
(BBE) For there will come up false Christs, and false prophets, who will do great signs and wonders; so that if possible even the saints might be tricked.
(ESV) For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
(ESV+) For R7false christs and R8false prophets will arise and R9perform great signs and wonders, R8so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
(GNB) For false Messiahs and false prophets will appear; they will perform great miracles and wonders in order to deceive even God's chosen people, if possible.
(GW) False messiahs and false prophets will appear. They will work spectacular, miraculous signs and do wonderful things to deceive, if possible, even those whom God has chosen.
(ISV) because false messiahs and false prophets will appear and display great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
(KJV) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
(MKJV) For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders; so much so that, if it were possible, they would deceive even the elect.
(NAS77) "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
(NAS95) "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
(NIrV) False Christs and false prophets will appear. They will do great signs and miracles. They will try to fool God's chosen people if possible.
(NIV) For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
(NKJV) For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
(NLT) For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones.
(TPT) For there will be imposters falsely claiming to be God’s ‘Anointed One,’ and false prophets will arise to perform miracle signs to lead astray, if possible, those God has chosen to be his.

Well, there are many believers who truly love Jesus, I know some in my area... but they are neither watchers on the wall, nor have any desires to listen to those who are watchers on the wall. Those watchers themselves could use some watching sometimes I would go as far as saying. Never the less, loving Jesus for what He did for us, and cultivating the gift of discernment, so that we are not led astray, like so many first century believers did, are two different things. If you read the letters in the new testament, nearly every letter tells of believers being deceived, christians who love Jesus, but can be deceived by sly words and half truths, and calls to deception for the sake of righteousness in the minds of the deceivers. Scripture seems clear that the elect can be deceived, unless you believe that the "elect" were never ones who would be deceived. Peter was deceived about the jews relationship to gentiles concerning the gathering together in fellowship. He did it because he was convinced it was the right thing to do for the sake of righteousness and the laws of Moses. Pretty sure that Peter was one of the elect, but it was only due to Paul being the watcher on the wall and condemning the seperation of the jews and gentiles in fellowship while eating, that Peter woke up to the wrong he was promoting. We are to love one another, and what Peter was promoting was not that. Thank God that a watcher on the wall, with a great dose of discernment, saw the truth and proclaimed it to those who didnt really want to hear it!!!!!

 

[blueyed1]

Yeh this is what I think. Intentionally worshipping the antichrist to eat is a pretty clear indication.... I just don't believe a true believer can be conditioned to do that. It would go against everything inside of me.

i personally can't c jesus sending people 2 hell 4 doing something they rn't aware of -- that's not the type of god i believe in...i was in now way conditioned 2 do that - since i was baptized, i've always believedin & worshiped god...also, as an aspie, a common trait is that we don't feel (or act) like we're a part of this world anyway, but like we're from another universe....as 4 me, i've never felt like a part of my family, but that i was adopted instead & i felt like an ailien being around other people...i never dd what the popular kids did (i was mainly an outcast most of my life & the majority of relationships i've had (inc my parents) have been broken...i have many more examples, but i hope u got the gist...anyway, even b4 this happend, i was even in the process of building up my relationship w' god...i never turned my back on him, rejected him or blamed him 4 anything, inc this...since this happened, i have repented daily, still feel the spirit & have had 4-5 spiritual experiences in the last few mnths, so i have 2 disagree w' ur comment...have u heard of the age of accountability where people w' similiar disabilities like mine r judged based on what they know - that god takes their limitations into account???also, i recently read how the bible has been altered by man since the original translations, which makes sense since the newer versions esp vary - some have missing passages, others contradict each other, and others have had word changes ( like re: the mark, some say causeth, some say forced...or the hand & forehead, some say on, some say in & some say upon...also it doesn't say that the the injection itself needs 2 b taken on the arm or forehead -- for the forehead, the mark can be taken in thru the nose, cuz if u go deep enuff, it can reach the base/ bridge of ur brain & go 2 the forehead...as for hand, it can be from a jab in the shoulder in will go down 2 the hand (depending on the # of shots) cuz the bible doesn't say it's the whole arm - from the shoulder 2 ur hand..& the test i took did inject me...cuz of my limitations, i had no way of knowing anything abt the test or the mark, & cuz i can't read facial expressions, body language or tell when a person's lying, plus, not being able 2 recognize warning signs & w' the fact that i had 2 go to the hospital from an inner bleed & a test was required 4 admission, i relunctently took the test...so, it's not that i believed or followed the word, & i certainly never rushed just 2 take the test, i took it as a requirement, not cuz i wanted 2...plus, since i'm sensitive 2 everything (another aspie trait) i know what i felt...all i'm doing is trying 2 find an answer so i can move on, but cuz people rn't even willing 2 open their minds up a bit & @ lst listen 2 what i'm trying 2 say, i think that that's gonna b impossible

 

[blueyed1]

i'm having problems trying 2 post those articles, so i will just type the links & u can do a search on them, or if so eone could tell me what 2 do, i'll go w' that

 

[Brad Huber]

Last night I have no idea why I had several flies around my room, but I could not sleep until I went after them with all their buzzing. True story.

You said "it" is conditioning, referring to the vaccine. What I am saying is you cannot be conditioned to follow the antichrist. A true believer would never receive the mark of the beast. Mark of the Beast will be an intentional choice. People will know 100% what they are doing. I honestly believe the vaccine is just personal conviction. Someone had posted an article on here that was extremely helpful. It dealt with what God might tell Christians concerning covid and the vaccine today. I'll have to go back and find the link. It helped me a lot.

LOL!! Yeah, there are a lot of bugs that bother me as well, stinkbugs, yellowjackets, wasps, even little bloodsuckers, that leave your exposed skin itching, to where it takes a lot of attention to the matter to get it to stop so that you can focus on more important things.

 

[B-A-C]

i personally can't c jesus sending people 2 hell 4 doing something they rn't aware of -- that's not the type of god i believe in.

Then you are believing in a false god.

Rom 2:12; When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God’s written law. And the Jews, who do have God’s law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it.
Rom 2:13; For merely listening to the law doesn’t make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in his sight.
Rom 2:14; Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it.
Rom 2:15; They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.

People know right and wrong instinctively. Even if they never read the Bible.

 

[blueyed1]

also, i want 2 b clear, when i was taklking abt people not listening, etc -- i was not talking abt here - i'm talking abt others that i have tried 2 ask - so i apologize if that offended u

 

[blueyed1]

Then you are believing in a false god.

Rom 2:12; When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God’s written law. And the Jews, who do have God’s law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it.
Rom 2:13; For merely listening to the law doesn’t make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in his sight.
Rom 2:14; Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it.
Rom 2:15; They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.

People know right and wrong instinctively. Even if they never read the Bible.

not the mentally challenged or others...

 

[blueyed1]

ok- what makes u say that - cuz from what i understand, there r bible verses that describe some of the disabilities & such that we have 2day...obviously u have a different intrepretation of things than i do, esp when it comes 2 the end times - like where we r on the schedule, or abt the rapture, etc...besides, i don't know what's true or not (i'm speaking in general) & am living the 10 commandments as I understand them...so, i don't understand y or how u can say that...i mean i'm only on here 2 c if anything makes sense so i can move on...that's another common aspie trait, we can only focus on one thing @ a time & unfortunately this is what i am...for example, as a kid, an aspie might favor trains -- they know alot of facts & that's all they'll talk abt until they find a new interest...it's much harder as an adult - 4 me anyway, since the focus becomes grtr...it can b anything from a loss of a job, a loved one , etc...the pt is, is that i want 2 move on w' the little time i have left & focus on something more positive...

 

[Mayflower]

i personally can't c jesus sending people 2 hell 4 doing something they rn't aware of -- that's not the type of god i believe in...i was in now way conditioned 2 do that - since i was baptized, i've always believedin & worshiped god...also, as an aspie, a common trait is that we don't feel (or act) like we're a part of this world anyway, but like we're from another universe....as 4 me, i've never felt like a part of my family, but that i was adopted instead & i felt like an ailien being around other people...i never dd what the popular kids did (i was mainly an outcast most of my life & the majority of relationships i've had (inc my parents) have been broken...i have many more examples, but i hope u got the gist...anyway, even b4 this happend, i was even in the process of building up my relationship w' god...i never turned my back on him, rejected him or blamed him 4 anything, inc this...since this happened, i have repented daily, still feel the spirit & have had 4-5 spiritual experiences in the last few mnths, so i have 2 disagree w' ur comment...have u heard of the age of accountability where people w' similiar disabilities like mine r judged based on what they know - that god takes their limitations into account???also, i recently read how the bible has been altered by man since the original translations, which makes sense since the newer versions esp vary - some have missing passages, others contradict each other, and others have had word changes ( like re: the mark, some say causeth, some say forced...or the hand & forehead, some say on, some say in & some say upon...also it doesn't say that the the injection itself needs 2 b taken on the arm or forehead -- for the forehead, the mark can be taken in thru the nose, cuz if u go deep enuff, it can reach the base/ bridge of ur brain & go 2 the forehead...as for hand, it can be from a jab in the shoulder in will go down 2 the hand (depending on the # of shots) cuz the bible doesn't say it's the whole arm - from the shoulder 2 ur hand..& the test i took did inject me...cuz of my limitations, i had no way of knowing anything abt the test or the mark, & cuz i can't read facial expressions, body language or tell when a person's lying, plus, not being able 2 recognize warning signs & w' the fact that i had 2 go to the hospital from an inner bleed & a test was required 4 admission, i relunctently took the test...so, it's not that i believed or followed the word, & i certainly never rushed just 2 take the test, i took it as a requirement, not cuz i wanted 2...plus, since i'm sensitive 2 everything (another aspie trait) i know what i felt...all i'm doing is trying 2 find an answer so i can move on, but cuz people rn't even willing 2 open their minds up a bit & @ lst listen 2 what i'm trying 2 say, i think that that's gonna b impossible

Well I'm trying to understand you. Trying to help. Even if taking the vaccine is a sin, which I don't believe it is, it is not the mark. You are forgiven in Christ Jesus if you bring it to Him. You can bring anything to Him.

Romans 8:1-2

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

 

[Mayflower]

also, i want 2 b clear, when i was taklking abt people not listening, etc -- i was not talking abt here - i'm talking abt others that i have tried 2 ask - so i apologize if that offended u

Okay good I was hoping I understood you, right.

 

[Mayflower]

not the mentally challenged or others...

Kind of like kids too... I believe in an age of accountability. I agree with you to an extent.

Same time, I know Eve was deceived to eating the fruit of the tree. Same time, both Adam and Eve knew they were disobeying God when they ate the fruit from the tree. She chose to believe the serpent instead.

 

[Hekuran]

Then you are believing in a false god.

Rom 2:12; When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God’s written law. And the Jews, who do have God’s law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it.
Rom 2:13; For merely listening to the law doesn’t make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in his sight.
Rom 2:14; Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it.
Rom 2:15; They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.

People know right and wrong instinctively. Even if they never read the Bible.

I think you've missed blueyed1's point here. God doesn't make up secret rules then punish people for breaking them unaware.

You should read carefully before making accusations of worshipping false God's.

 

[B-A-C]

I think you've missed blueyed1's point here. God doesn't make up secret rules then punish people for breaking them unaware.

The scripture I posted says it doesn't matter if they're aware or not. They still get destroyed. Anyone's name is not in the Book of Life, guess where they end up?

 

[Reba1]

The stage is being set for the anti christ to come in and control everything. IMO

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
1Jn 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

 

[Hekuran]

The scripture I posted says it doesn't matter if they're aware or not. They still get destroyed. Anyone's name is not in the Book of Life, guess where they end up?

I've sent a pm

 

[blueyed1]

I've sent a pm

I've sent a pm

Well I'm trying to understand you. Trying to help. Even if taking the vaccine is a sin, which I don't believe it is, it is not the mark. You are forgiven in Christ Jesus if you bring it to Him. You can bring anything to Him.

Romans 8:1-2

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

so, r u saying that even if it turns out 2 b the mark, as long as i still havethe sp

The scripture I posted says it doesn't matter if they're aware or not. They still get destroyed. Anyone's name is not in the Book of Life, guess where they end up?

will, i believe that if a person w' the disabilities i'd mentioned, and others that i may have missed, i believe that those people may still have a chance due 2 the agege off accountability & not understanding the bible

 

[blueyed1]

so y does the bible say that u will c it, u will know what it is & u willingly choose 2 take it the mark)...that's what i don't understand...it then says the deceieved part u'd mentioned & i posted, so what is it???

 

[Mayflower]

Revelation 3:11-18

11Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon.12It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed.13It performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people,14and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived.15And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain.16Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,17so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.18This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.
—Revelation 13:11–18

 

[blueyed1]

Revelation 3:11-18

11Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon.12It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed.13It performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people,14and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived.15And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain.16Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,17so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.18This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.
—Revelation 13:11–18

Revelation 3:11-18


11Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon.12It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed.13It performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people,14and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived.15And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain.16Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,17so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.18This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.
—Revelation 13:11–18

Revelation 3:11-18

11Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon.12It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed.13It performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people,14and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived.15And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain.16Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,17so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.18This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.
—Revelation 13:11–18

all i know is, is that in no way, shape or form did i ever reject god -- never ( u can reread all that relates 2 it in my 1st post, cuz i don't want 2 repeat things)...also, cuz im unable 2 understand what i need 2- a result of my asd, so i feel i shouldnt b punished 4 things i was unable 2 know -- like the age of accountability deal...