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@Truthcomber -- So --according to you and your friends -- I'm caught up in 'my' Babylonian mystery religion called the trinity. -- yes, the Bible Does teach the Godhead / trinity.

Celebrating Christmas and Easter. Well -- maybe it's the timing of the year that Christmas is Celebrated -- but, yes, it is the birth of Jesus Christ Being celebrated. And Easter Should be called Resurrection Sunday -- Because it's when Jesus Christ bodily resurrected from the Dead -- beginning of Christianity.

So -- Why would either of those two times For celebration be an abomination to God? I hate to even use the term 'abomination' with either of those two times in Biblical / human history.

You say that you're not impressed with my being a conservative Baptist? well -- I'm not impressed with your attitude towards 'my Babylonian mystery religion called the trinity' -- OR -- that the two most important events in history are being referred to by you in the manner in which you are referring To them.

Feel free to enjoy the rest of your day. :)
 
Sue D



You: In Matthew 28 -- the disciples are being told to baptize people ' in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.'

Our salvation is made possible Through the interactions Of the trinity.


Jesus Christ came into this world as a Jewish baby -- to grow into a mature human man. He came into this world -- to be with us -- in human form. Thus, He became, like us, and We were created a little lower than the angels. But He was Always the 2nd person of the Godhead. For 33 of His years here with us -- He Did give up part of His nature to be able to identify with us. He Was tempted in all ways, like we are -- except that He did not sin in the process of being human.

He chose to become like Us -- so He could 'show' us His Father -- through the many miracles He performed. The people could see that something 'more than them' was at work. People were being healed -- brought back to life in some cases. because of something about this 'man'. The 'man' Christ Jesus.

God IS divine but Not human.



Me: The Messiah was made a little lower than angels, not man made a little lower. Again, read post Monday at 2:50 AM #67 on page 4. I would like to see you transfigure yourself (no photo shop please).



Mal 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Me: Didn’t Christ change as he grew physically and spiritually? Hadn’t Christ died? God does not change, he does not die.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Me: So if “the Word was made flesh”, and God is spirit, how did he not change if he was made flesh.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit:
and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Me: Christ said that God is spirit at the time he was speaking. Was John lying in John 1:14 when he said God is now flesh?


John 5:26
For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.

Me: This means that the Messiah did not have life in himself prior to this.

1 Corinthians 15:45 (NKJV) And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

Me: The Word of God existed as the expression of God, whether is was through revelation or creation Everything was created by his word. He spoke and it was done (Psalm 33:9). He expressed himself from heaven into the mind of the Messiah who was here on earth. This is the spirit mind of the Messiah.

John 20:17 ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’

Me:
Christ had and has a God. He prayed to him while on earth.
 
Hi All,

Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Me:
The man went into his woman, likewise the woman went into the man. They cleaved unto each other. They became one flesh in their hearts and soul.

Now let’s look into the Greek text for another meaning of “the word was made flesh”, Click on the link below. Then click on 1096”,
John 1:14 Interlinear: And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth.

Me: The Word appeared in flesh. The Word had appeared as a burning bush, etc. in the OT. God dwelt fully in Christ here on earth. This is the temple of God. God and his temple are one (John 10:30). But the temple by itself is not God. God and his son are the temple (Revelation 21:22-23). Both together constitute God.

2 Corinthians 5:19 that is, that God was IN Christ…

Heb !:3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person

Me: God was fully expressed in Christ, not Christ was God.

Berean Literal Bible

1 John 4:2
By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses Jesus Christ having come in the flesh is of God,

Me: the” is an added word. It should read “Jesus (salvation) Christ (anointed) having come in flesh and not “Jesus Christ having come in the flesh”. This is a big difference. “having come in flesh” means the express image of the mind of God bonded with the flesh mind of the Messiah. :”Having come in THE flesh” means incarnation. I have not put a twist on this, rather I have untwisted.
1 John 4:2 Interlinear: in this know ye the Spirit of God; every spirit that doth confess Jesus Christ in the flesh having come, of God it is,

Me:
The whole point of being baptized in the holy spirit is to die and rise with Christ into a new life. The whole nation of Israel will realize this, so will every one else.

Ezekiel 11:19 (NKJV) Then I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within them, and take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh (me:of the soul of the Messiah).
 
Sue T

You: -- So --according to you and your friends -- I'm caught up in 'my' Babylonian mystery religion called the trinity. -- yes, the Bible Does teach the Godhead / trinity.

Me: Show me where please, pretty please.
 
And, no, the term 'trinity' is Not found in Scripture -- neither is the term "rapture" found. But both concepts Are in Scripture -- they do exist because Scripture tells about them in detail. Just as the existence of God is assumed -- In the beginning God created.......

Apparently Tertullion was the first person to use the term 'trinity'.

To hear someone / Anyone refer to the trinity in the term You use just sickens me.

And , true, the Old Testament tells of many 'gods' that are man-made. But the God - one and only True God is the One and Only One who created this world and mankind. He provided salvation for all of us Through the death, burial and bodily resurrection of His only Son -- Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ existed in the Godhead just as the Holy Spirit has since before the beginning of this world.
 
Sue T

You: -- So --according to you and your friends -- I'm caught up in 'my' Babylonian mystery religion called the trinity. -- yes, the Bible Does teach the Godhead / trinity.

Me: Show me where please, pretty please.


Again I'm detecting sarcasm from you -- "please, pretty please" -- I just googled the subject -- One of the articles "26 top Bible verses about the trinity" -- all ya have to do is read your Bible. Share Your findings with Us.
 
Hi All,


The Messiah came in the name of his father
John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
Me:
Christ had not come in his own name. He was called Jesus (salvation) Christ (anointed). Is this his Father’s name?

Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of Yahweh shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as Yahweh said, and in the remnant whom Yahweh shall call.
Me: We call upon the name of Yahweh to be saved.

Acts 4:10
Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth…12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord (Kurios) shall be saved.
Me:
We call upon the name of Yahweh to be saved. We also call upon the name of Jesus Christ to be saved. Is one name of Yahweh Jesus Christ?

Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Me: The name of the Messiah is Jesus Christ. This is the name of the father that he came in. This is the same name that he inherited. The Father and his son have the same name (John 10:30), not the father, son and holy spirit have one name.
Now to inherit anything, someone had to die first to inherit it from. So who did the son inherit it from? His Father had not died, for God does not die.

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Me: The Messiah was born in his father’s name (Matthew 1:23), lived in his father’s name (John 5:43) and died in his Father’s name (Hebrews 1:4). He was the perfect sacrifice.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one
Me: This verse does not say that the Father, Son and holy spirit are one. It says the Father and Son are one. There is no indication of a damnable trinity here.

John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (John 7:38) and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Me: Followers are born the humanity or soul of Christ and of the divinity of God through Christ.
 
Hi All,


Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Me: We are not to be baptized into any trinity but in the name of Jesus Christ.
 
Hi All,


Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Me: We are not to be baptized into any trinity but in the name of Jesus Christ.


Matthew 28 : 19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit......" And THAT is the trinity. And that is how Jesus Christ was instructing his disciples as they went unto all the world. Because it's through the trinity that we Have salvation. The Holy Spirit comes to indwell each believer at the instant Of their inner heart's belief and confession of such.
 
Even 'conservative' scholars are merely men -- they are Not God or the Holy Spirit. And how much pressure do they find themselves under to 'merge' with all the others?!
 
Hi All,


The Messiah came in the name of his father
John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
Me:
Christ had not come in his own name. He was called Jesus (salvation) Christ (anointed). Is this his Father’s name?

Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of Yahweh shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as Yahweh said, and in the remnant whom Yahweh shall call.
Me: We call upon the name of Yahweh to be saved.

Acts 4:10
Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth…12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord (Kurios) shall be saved.
Me:
We call upon the name of Yahweh to be saved. We also call upon the name of Jesus Christ to be saved. Is one name of Yahweh Jesus Christ?

Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Me: The name of the Messiah is Jesus Christ. This is the name of the father that he came in. This is the same name that he inherited. The Father and his son have the same name (John 10:30), not the father, son and holy spirit have one name.
Now to inherit anything, someone had to die first to inherit it from. So who did the son inherit it from? His Father had not died, for God does not die.

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Me: The Messiah was born in his father’s name (Matthew 1:23), lived in his father’s name (John 5:43) and died in his Father’s name (Hebrews 1:4). He was the perfect sacrifice.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one
Me: This verse does not say that the Father, Son and holy spirit are one. It says the Father and Son are one. There is no indication of a damnable trinity here.

John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (John 7:38) and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Me: Followers are born the humanity or soul of Christ and of the divinity of God through Christ.


Why are you So extremely defiant Against the trinity? You even use the term " a damnable trinity" but WHY? I hated to even type it. but I'm quoting you. You're entire Attitude is dangerous. Maybe you should ask God to calm your inner spirit.
 
Sue T


You:
So -- if That is a 'false' addition to Scripture -- who is to say what Else will be determined to be 'false'.



Me: Here are a few more corruptions by men.

Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7)
Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) - King James Version Today

Was 1 John 5:7 Added to the Bible?
Was 1 John 5:7 Added To The Bible - Comma Johanneum


1 John 5:5 (NASB) Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? 6 This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not [g]with the water only, but [h]with the water and [i]with the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 [j]the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are [k]in agreement.

Me: The Messiah represents the water and blood. The Messiah came as a flesh and blood man with a human soul (John 7:39: water). He represents the humanity of the holy spirit. The Father represents the divine mind of the holy spirit. There is one God with a divine and human mind.



1 John 5:5 (KJV) Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Me: The red letters in the KJV are added text.

An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture
An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture - Wikipedia
Me: There is no “God was manifested in the flesh’ but “he was manifested in the flesh. This would correspond with 1 John 5:6 (not the KJV or the NKJV).
1 Timothy 3:16 Interlinear: and, confessedly, great is the secret of piety -- God was manifested in flesh, declared righteous in spirit, seen by messengers, preached among nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory!

1 John 5:9 If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater; for the testimony of God is this that He has testified concerning His Son. 10 The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. 11 And the testimony is this that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son (1 Corinthians 15:45, John 5:26 ). 12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.


Me: There will be the many that corrupt the word of God.
2Cor 2:17
For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ

Duet 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

But knowledge shall be increased in the last days.
Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
 
I've been researching the Johannine Comma -- had never heard of it. Lots of articles about it. That particular phrase came from somewhere and was included in some manuscripts -- an article by 'gotquestions.com says that That particular phrase probably added into but should not have been. BUT that there are plenty of other passages that Do confirm the deity / trinity.

BTW -- I'm 'Sue D." Not 'Sue T."

Most of the passages you are including are stating that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. So What is the problem?

And Sure there are many who Try to corrupt God's Word -- we need to know God's Word to be able to spot false doctrines when we hear them. those who teach that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God but simply a good teacher of that day -- that would be one false teaching / doctrine -- another would be that some form of good works are necessary to complete our salvation. Another false teaching would be that there is salvation in something or someone other than Jesus Christ.

God's Word plus nothing.

It's Also interesting that there are both KJ-onlyists And NAS onlyists. Maybe you're a KJV onlyists? Just guessing on my part.

I grew up with KJV there wasn't any other version 'out there'. Then after some years -- went to the older NIV and then to the NKJV. Also have the ESV.
 
Sue D



You…BUT that there are plenty of other passages that Do confirm the deity / trinity.


Me: Besides Matthew 28:19, 1 John 5:7 and 1 Timothy 3:16 that tried to confirm the trinity but did lie, there is none that I know of. So, show me a few.

You: Most of the passages you are including are stating that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. So What is the problem?

Me: “The son of God” is a NT phenomenon. That is when the Son of God came into existence pertaining to man. Click on the following link and see. Only in Daniel 3:25 does the future Christ appear as a Christophany.
Genesis 1:1 (KJV)


There is no term “God the son” in the entire bible. Click on the following link and see.
Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

There is no term “God the holy spirit. Click on the following link and see..
Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

Angels were called sons of God, but not in same way that Christ and then those that put on a new man (Christ) are. A son always proceeds from a father. Both the angels and human sons of God have no ancestors but are a direct creation of God and are elohim. But the angels are not the sons of God in the same way as the Messiah (Hebrews 5:5, Psalms 2:7, Colossians 1:18) and those that follow him and through him become the sons of God (1 John 3:1). The Messiah became fully the son of God through his righteous death, resurrection and glorification. The church become the sons of God through the Messiah’s death by the baptism of the holy spirit (Romans 6:3, 2 Corinthians 1:22) and fully at our deaths (2 Corinthians 5:8). We all receive our new bodies at the Messiahs return, because we are parts of the same body, both in appearance and metaphorically. Anyway, this is what I have researched and believe.



You: It's Also interesting that there are both KJ-onlyists And NAS onlyists. Maybe you're a KJV onlyists? Just guessing on my part.

Me: I am open to all revelation that is true, not sticking with one label or the older
 
Hi All,

The Spiritual Temple of God

2 Samuel 7:13 Solomon's Temple
2 Samuel 7:13 Solomon's Temple


This is an excellent 5 star article. The spiritual temple of God comes through the descendant (the Messiah) of David through Solomon genetically and spiritually through the seed (faith) of Abraham that is placed in believers not through genetics.

The only difference I have is that the Word became flesh in John 1:14 should be the Word or expression of God “came in flesh” to comply with 1 John 4:2 Colossians 2:9.

1 John 4:2 (Greek text: interlinear)
By this you know the Spirit___of God. every spirit that confesses Jesus (salvation) Christ (anointed) IN_____flesh having come of____God is.

Good News Translation
Colossians 2:9
For the full content of divine nature lives IN Christ, in his humanity,

Me
: Thus the divinity of God is in his lively temple or in his son and in us through his son. It is not in a theophany like that of the OT>


2 Samuel 7:14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

Me: Is this a problem? No!!! Did Christ commit sin. No!!!

John 14:20 …ye in me, and I in you.

Me: We are in Christ. When we sin, Christ feels it and God corrects us with stripes.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
 
Sue D



You…BUT that there are plenty of other passages that Do confirm the deity / trinity.


Me: Besides Matthew 28:19, 1 John 5:7 and 1 Timothy 3:16 that tried to confirm the trinity but did lie, there is none that I know of. So, show me a few.

You: Most of the passages you are including are stating that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. So What is the problem?

Me: “The son of God” is a NT phenomenon. That is when the Son of God came into existence pertaining to man. Click on the following link and see. Only in Daniel 3:25 does the future Christ appear as a Christophany.
Genesis 1:1 (KJV)


There is no term “God the son” in the entire bible. Click on the following link and see.
Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

There is no term “God the holy spirit. Click on the following link and see..
Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

Angels were called sons of God, but not in same way that Christ and then those that put on a new man (Christ) are. A son always proceeds from a father. Both the angels and human sons of God have no ancestors but are a direct creation of God and are elohim. But the angels are not the sons of God in the same way as the Messiah (Hebrews 5:5, Psalms 2:7, Colossians 1:18) and those that follow him and through him become the sons of God (1 John 3:1). The Messiah became fully the son of God through his righteous death, resurrection and glorification. The church become the sons of God through the Messiah’s death by the baptism of the holy spirit (Romans 6:3, 2 Corinthians 1:22) and fully at our deaths (2 Corinthians 5:8). We all receive our new bodies at the Messiahs return, because we are parts of the same body, both in appearance and metaphorically. Anyway, this is what I have researched and believe.



You: It's Also interesting that there are both KJ-onlyists And NAS onlyists. Maybe you're a KJV onlyists? Just guessing on my part.

Me: I am open to all revelation that is true, not sticking with one label or the older


I've looked up 1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit //Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory. "
And I have several footnotes Matt. 3:16 // Matt. 28:2 and Colo 1:6 and Luke 24:51. So What is wrong with the 1 Timothy passage other than you don't agree with it? And you call that a lie?!

God's Word is TRUTH.

Jesus Christ has Always been the Son of God. He simply came to this earth in the New Testament. He was predicted to come back in Isaiah 7:14. It's called Prophesy.

There are no 'folowing links'.

That which I've found is that a person can find all sorts of interpretations of Bible passages on the internet -- some are Good and some are Not.

And I'd be Very careful about referring to any part of God's Word as a lie. In fact -- it's a really Bad idea. God's Word is THE TRUTH and always will be and always has been.
 
Sue T

You: I’ve looked up 1 Timothy 3:16 “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit // seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” So What is wrong with the 1 Timothy passage other than you don't agree with it? And you call that a lie?!

1 Timothy 3:16 Interlinear: and, confessedly, great is the secret of piety -- God was manifested in flesh, declared righteous in spirit, seen by messengers, preached among nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory!
Me: If you click on the link above from Strong’s concordance, you will NOT FIND “GOD was manifest in the flesh but “WHO was manifest in the flesh”. The “who” is referring to Christ, not God. Click on the above link and see. This is a deliberate lie by the Trinitarian translator. All the other versions DO NOT have “GOD was manifest in the flesh”. Click the link below and see.

You You cannot find one verse in the OT where the son of God existed there. Again, click on the below link and see.
Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

I may not be from Missouri, but you have show me—which you have not.
 
Hi B-A-C


You: God existed before the physical creation of the universe. Just because Jesus was the first thing "in" creation, doesn't mean He didn't exist before creation.
In fact everything that was created... was created by Him. You can't create something if you don't exist yet.n fact everything that was created... was created by Him. You can't create something if you don't exist yet.
me:

John 1:1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and (Me: God was the Word).

Me: “
God was the Word”, not the “Word was God”. God expressed himself as a Christophany, for the Messiah had not yet existed. The Word was not expressed in the son of man yet. Click the link below and see.

John 1:1 Interlinear: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;


HELPS Word-studies
3056
lógos (from 3004 /légō, "speaking to a conclusion") – a word, being the expression of a thought; a saying. 3056 /lógos Click the link below and see.
Strong's Greek: 3056. λόγος (logos) -- a word (as embodying an idea), a statement, a speech
 
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