Victor9509
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I do believe that Christians can have demons and go through deliverance but I want to get everyone’s input on it.
Can a Christian person have demons?
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Demons are simply lying spirits in high places of men. Believers can be delivered by the power of our one unseen the fathers words (sola scriptura) all things written in the law and the prophet, the one testimony of God.
Peter is used as a testimony to the work of the father of lies . Peter under the false authority of the father of lies was given words that rebuked the Son of Man , Jesus forbidding him from do the will of the father the gospel key that the gates of hell could never prevail against .
Satan having rebuked the unseen Holy Spirit .then the father in heaven gave words to his apostle/ prophet Jesus And the Holy Father rebuked the spirit of lies. Jesus of his own had no power to rebuke the unclean spirits of lies .
.In effect saying get behind me not seen walk by the unseen faith as it is written . not after the flesh of Peter one of the many times that antichist Satn worked in antichrists many deceived by one.
Mathew 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he (the Son of man Jesus was given words from the Holy Father) turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men
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Of course Peter didn't have the Holy Spirit yet.
John 16:7; "But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper (Holy Spirit) will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
John 7:39; But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
But things are different now. After Acts 2, things changed for Peter (and all the other disciples except Paul, his change came later in Acts 9)
Rom 8:9; However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
Rom 8:11; But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
1Cor 3:16; Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
2Tim 1:14; Guard, through the Holy Spirit who dwells in us, the treasure which has been entrusted to you.
2Cor 6:14; Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?
2Cor 6:15; Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?
2Cor 6:16; Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, "I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
A demon can not co-exist with the Holy Spirit inside someone. However while a demon can't "possess" a Christian, it can still influence and oppress them.
Acts 5:3; But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land?
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"A demon can not co-exist with the Holy Spirit inside someone."
I knew somebody would say that....Using this faulty reasoning to say a Christian cannot have a demon.....Faulty how?
Simply put....Man is a triune being just like our Father is....We are a spirit, we live in a body, and we have a soul....Now when we were born again, the Holy Spirit joined with us to make us new beings...(beings who never existed before)
That means a demon cannot enter our spirits....because the opening statement quoted at the beginning of this post is close to true....A demon cannot occupy the same space as the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit only occupies our spirit........Remember? Jesus told us to "Work out our own salvation with fear and trembling" Our bodies and our souls do not house the Holy Spirit, a demon CAN inhabit those areas and its up to us to take the dominion (authority) that God gave us and kick out all the riffraff that comes to kill and destroy us
Do you want proof that demons can occupy a Christian? Cancer, addictions, dementias, confusion, strife and on and on....All are brought to you by demons and these things listed here are IN the Christian.....
Its time that Christians actually read what the Word says rather than reading what they want to believe...
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Plainly speaking, from a biblical Perspective, in answering a direct question.
YES!
New King James Version
But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.
New American Standard Bible
But make sure your statement is, ‘Yes, yes’ or ‘No, no’; anything beyond these is of evil origin.
PS
And Your “Adversary” who is The Devil is The Perfect Deceiver, for there is nothing else like him, And One of The Most deceitful weapons in his Arsenal to deceive you!
That he does not exists, in hidden places and he is so skilled in Stealth mode. Lurking, Prowling, For He is an Angel. For so was He Created, That is Created of GOD, according and for The Purposes of “THE GOD ALMIGHTY “. Just like The SUN Raises in The East as The World Turns.
And he always ask for permission to deceive you and the capacity of The deception to torment you, Just like The Rain asks or is commanded to fall, its Creator determines it to fall from the sky and how long may The water fall from the sky and how long may the wetness last before it dries.
I like this GOD.
For He Quickens The Dead! And when HE commands! the Very Dirt gets Up! And Walk Like Man! 
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I think we have ARE a soul which is our body too...check this video out:
taking the translated word soul from it's hebrew word nephesh.
Nephesh
Don't let the brilliant animation fool you that this is meant for children, oh wait no, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."
Enjoy.
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I believe that a Christian can be oppressed by a demon, but not possessed. Having gone through deliverance ministry, I have a biblical understanding that has enabled me to do deliverance on myself and others. Through the empowering of the Holy Spirit.
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Does your belief come from experience? Or only by interpreting scripture?
Thanks,
Rhema
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Luke 13:12 And seeing her Jesus called her, and said to her, Woman, thou art loosed from thine infirmity.
13 And he laid hands upon her: and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God.
16 And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan had bound, lo, eighteen years, to have been loosed from this bond on the day of the sabbath?
My understanding of this scripture is that the infirmity suffered by this woman was from the power of satan and of sin to bind us and to bring evil upon us: diseases and ailments, pain and suffering. etc.
I do not read that this woman was possessed by satan, but afflicted by satan.
This is all part of the spiritual power and work of the fallen (a.k.a. satan) that brings evil upon all humankind, including death for all.
But the gospel of salvation which is Pentecostal in doctrine and truth does set the captives free from sin and satan.
The indwelling Holy Spirit and the power of praying in tongues cleanses and purges a new disciple from the power and influence of ungodliness and worldly lusts.
"The truth shall set you free."
A convert is transformed from their previous sinful life and healed spiritually and often physically, with an abundance of blessings and miracles.
BUT a Pentecostal Christian is always subject to ongoing temptations and fiery darts from the machinations of the enemy - prowling around looking for souls to devour.
"Quench not the Spirit" is a maxim that must be lived, otherwise the carnal person, the flesh, will indeed rise up and begin to win against the Holy Spirit.
Satan will always attempt to destroy the faith and joy of the saints in order to reclaim us for his own kingdom of darkness again. Hence the many many warnings in the NT on backsliding and falling away.
Ephesians 6:10 For the rest, be strong in the Lord, and in the might of his strength.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For our wrestling is not against blood and flesh, but against the principalities, against the authorities, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spirituals of the wickedness in the heavenlies.
This is written directly to Pentecostal saints in the Spirit-filled church.
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That comes across as very muddled thinking.
God the Father and God the Son by the Holy Spirit will come and dwell within a convert born from above - there is no place for satan, nor for darkness in a Pentecostal disciple.
Satan can tempt and bring about trials and tribulations, but darkness cannot dwell with light. We are set free.
The challenge is to uphold our love of righteousness and to build up our faith through daily praying in tongues - praying in the Holy Spirit.
We must learn wisdom from God and be alert to the wiles of the enemy, for they are brilliantly deceitful in all manner of means.
The problem in the Christian world of many churches and many faiths is that not all Christians have the Holy Spirit.
Many claim to have the Holy Spirit but when held against the truth of scripture they are not in accord with scripture and what we read of the saints and the ekklesia of the NT.
So then worldly Christians may well be possessed by fallen angels and afflicted with acute symptoms of suffering and pain, but how prevalent is this among the worldwide Christian population ??
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Yeah.
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And....??
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The person was set free.
God is not a man as us
I would offer, Peter had the Holy Spirit , the Spirt of truth it apposed the spirit of the god of this world system .Same Holy Spirt that dwelt in Abel a member of the bride of Christ the church in whom Christ applied his grace and mercy to. First recorded apostle sent with the Gospel. First recorded martyr .
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
I think it has to do on how the word possessed is used . It does not mean own or author of evil .But more like possessed the reigns causing the creature to turn . In that way God's name is jealous he will not share that glory with dying flesh and blood.
Jesus the Son of man the first born of many brothers and sisters in the Lord. alone did the will of the father without be seduced by the reigns of the father of lies .In order to show his gospel power to the whole world
Psalm 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
Its anti -christ one, that works in possessing the understanding as a false apostle antichrists, many. Satan seduced Peter . Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man Jesus . That window of opportunity left when the Son of man disappeared never to return in the flesh for another outward demonstration of the Holy Spirit apposing the spirit of lies the antichrist singular( Satan)
1 John 2:18-19 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist (singular) shall come, even now are there many antichrists; (the spirit of lies possessing many false teachers, antichrists) whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
1 John 2: 26 -27These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Many today treat the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition as if it was not already revealed by many anti-chists, false prophets , as false teachers
2 Thessalonians 2:3-10 King James Version - Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
The falling away occurred when Jesus said it is finished, the time of reformation and restoration of the government had come . God reigning from heaven began its last days under the Sun
BUT a Pentecostal Christian must believe they have power in the laying on of hands . wondering, hoping that some catch them that fall backward in the spirit of judgement
No such thing as "sign gifts" gifts accredited to the hands as a will of dying mankind .
Spiritual gifts un seen the work of Christ in the believer working to both reveal the will and empower us to do His good pleasure. If we give that over to sinful man . .then we can create many gods in the likeness of men. Faith comes by hearing God . . . not flesh touching flesh .
We have the witness to the law of faith. . . the power by which we can please Christ.
Acts 14:7-12 And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:
The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.
And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
We must be careful how we hear or say we do.
I think the sealing is they can repent having the power of Holy Spirit . Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man (flesh and blood.) .he did not go out from the us that make up the believers called sons of God .
Christ in us his living hope working with us he promise if he began the good teaching work in us he will continue to teach us till the last day . Some like myself are slower learners .
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
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Christians CAN BE (and are) "DEMONIZED" - i.e. to be oppressed by, influenced by, or controlled by demonic entities. The Visible church as a whole (with some exceptions) is MORBIDLY AFRAID of the whole issue, and shows little or no willingness/ability to even deal with the issue of demonic oppression.
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Waggles its true that a Christian cannot be possessed by a demon or demons...Possession is a total ownership by the demon....The Holy Spirit resides in your Spirit so a demon cannot take that part of you, hence, no possession
I'm not sure what you mean by "Penetcostal Christian" as opposed to any other Christian. I've always understood that a Christian is a Christian is a Christian....Followers of Christ. Is a Pentecostal Christian special? Is a non Pentecostal Christian immune to attacks of the enemy?
