Can a Christian person have demons?

[joestue]

Possession is a total ownership by the demon

There is no such thing.

There are varying degrees of demonization, and i've had experience with several different layers of them.
I think that a christian generally knows when they are being influenced by a demon where as someone who is not saved, they do not know.

As for my wife after salvation she could see them, but not before, but in the midst of those matters her mind also underwent some very fundamental and radical changes, changes that academics either don't believe are possible, or they are too afraid to try, or it is impossible to initiate without prophetic knowledge, as such I cannot declare for certain that she could see demons only after salvation. It is very well possible that part of her mind could see them and another part could not, and those two parts were not communicating nor did they trust each other. As for what she did to let them in, at age 3-5.. she has those memories and knows what she did. The woman responsible for facilitating the environment at that time (bringing energy healing into the public school district).. we may actually meet her next month.

As for myself, i was participating in witchcraft as early as age 6 with a woman who was demonized, 18 years later she and I had a relationship again and 5 years after that i started praying for her, casting 7 demons out of her over a 3 year time frame. Her life substantially improved far as i can tell, and during that time when we crossed paths in real life she appeared to respect me and wanted to talk to me, where as before 2017 she would turn and walk away quickly. she had contracts with spirits and as of early 2020 she was still not saved but had begun trying to cast them off and break those bonds.

in 2021 I thought all that was over, but some spiritual harassment still persisted, and i met a guy online who told me part of her mind was trapped in mine and part of mine in hers. Maybe this was his attempt at describing what he saw as a so called soul tie. But anyhow, took me a few months to consider it, but after i started praying about it as if it was true.. i did get some unique new and also very damning information out of whatever it was that was influencing me for 25 years. I tend to think that man was right. But, how i won that war was to convince this "spirit" (whether it be human or demon i don't care).. i convinced it to die and go to judgement and Jesus would forgive it. and it did.. and i had a long term, persisting to this day.. somewhat almost permanent psychological change, for the better. So i messaged that man online nearly a year later and told him i got rid of her spirit by convincing it to die and he was NOT happy to hear that. i'm like dude.. if God accepts her request to die.. that's on God.. she has no place to go! i don't want part of her spirit residing in me and she can't return to the rest of her mind because.. she's condemned according to her!

so i don't know if i was possessed/influenced by part of a human spirit for 25 years but it sure seems like it.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

There is no such thing.

There are varying degrees of demonization, and i've had experience with several different layers of them.
I think that a christian generally knows when they are being influenced by a demon where as someone who is not saved, they do not know.

As for my wife after salvation she could see them, but not before, but in the midst of those matters her mind also underwent some very fundamental and radical changes, changes that academics either don't believe are possible, or they are too afraid to try, or it is impossible to initiate without prophetic knowledge, as such I cannot declare for certain that she could see demons only after salvation. It is very well possible that part of her mind could see them and another part could not, and those two parts were not communicating nor did they trust each other. As for what she did to let them in, at age 3-5.. she has those memories and knows what she did. The woman responsible for facilitating the environment at that time (bringing energy healing into the public school district).. we may actually meet her next month.

As for myself, i was participating in witchcraft as early as age 6 with a woman who was demonized, 18 years later she and I had a relationship again and 5 years after that i started praying for her, casting 7 demons out of her over a 3 year time frame. Her life substantially improved far as i can tell, and during that time when we crossed paths in real life she appeared to respect me and wanted to talk to me, where as before 2017 she would turn and walk away quickly. she had contracts with spirits and as of early 2020 she was still not saved but had begun trying to cast them off and break those bonds.

in 2021 I thought all that was over, but some spiritual harassment still persisted, and i met a guy online who told me part of her mind was trapped in mine and part of mine in hers. Maybe this was his attempt at describing what he saw as a so called soul tie. But anyhow, took me a few months to consider it, but after i started praying about it as if it was true.. i did get some unique new and also very damning information out of whatever it was that was influencing me for 25 years. I tend to think that man was right. But, how i won that war was to convince this "spirit" (whether it be human or demon i don't care).. i convinced it to die and go to judgement and Jesus would forgive it. and it did.. and i had a long term, persisting to this day.. somewhat almost permanent psychological change, for the better. So i messaged that man online nearly a year later and told him i got rid of her spirit by convincing it to die and he was NOT happy to hear that. i'm like dude.. if God accepts her request to die.. that's on God.. she has no place to go! i don't want part of her spirit residing in me and she can't return to the rest of her mind because.. she's condemned according to her!

so i don't know if i was possessed/influenced by part of a human spirit for 25 years but it sure seems like it.

Ok You know it all...Nobody else does. Have it your way.

 

[joestue]

The only part I was disagreeing about is the English word implies ownership when in fact none exist.

If you make a contract with them, there are terms and conditions but they still don't own you. If you keep your end of the deal they may actually seem to be good for you but their motive is to use you to destroy other people for them.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

The only part I was disagreeing about is the English word implies ownership when in fact none exist.

If you make a contract with them, there are terms and conditions but they still don't own you. If you keep your end of the deal they may actually seem to be good for you but their motive is to use you to destroy other people for them.

Well that's what I said.....They cannot totally own you. But they can occupy body and soul...not spirit

 

[Rhema]

Ok You know it all...Nobody else does. Have it your way.

Says the pot to the kettle.

As for me, I rather appreciate those who post their personal experiences, and they ought not to be belittled.

I certainly haven't seen any scriptural refutation presented by you. Maybe you should. It might greatly benefit all of us. No?

Thanks,
Rhema

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Says the pot to the kettle.

As for me, I rather appreciate those who post their personal experiences, and they ought not to be belittled.

I certainly haven't seen any scriptural refutation presented by you. Maybe you should. It might greatly benefit all of us. No?

Thanks,
Rhem

Rhema...I have not belittled anybody so stop with the accusations....and I certainly do not know it all.....I say what the Word says and if that's wrong well.....Its not my Word...Talk to the author of that Word.

 

[joestue]

Waggles its true that a Christian cannot be possessed by a demon or demons...Possession is a total ownership by the demon....The Holy Spirit resides in your Spirit so a demon cannot take that part of you, hence, no possession

Just to clarify, do you believe non Christians can be "possessed" and how do you define that word and what is the functional difference between a highly demonized non Christian vs a Christian.

And how do you personally distinguish the difference between spirit and soul and mind?

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Just to clarify, do you believe non Christians can be "possessed" and how do you define that word and what is the functional difference between a highly demonized non Christian vs a Christian.

And how do you personally distinguish the difference between spirit and soul and mind?

I believe I've already answered those questions....NO!! A Christian CANNOT be possessed by a demon....The demon CAN inhabit your body or your soul but NOT your spirit.......Your spirit is YOU...Your soul IS your MIND and your body is, of course, your body....
A highlly demonized Christian is still a Christian....That would include most Christians....Those who have no demons, no doubt, worked out their own salvation with fear and trembling......
You say you know a lot about deliverance and demons but you don't know this? Why not?

 

[joestue]

I believe I've already answered those questions....NO!! A Christian CANNOT be possessed by a demon....The demon CAN inhabit your body or your soul but NOT your spirit.......Your spirit is YOU...Your soul IS your MIND and your body is, of course, your body....
A highlly demonized Christian is still a Christian....That would include most Christians....Those who have no demons, no doubt, worked out their own salvation with fear and trembling......
You say you know a lot about deliverance and demons but you don't know this? Why not?

I'm asking you because your words are confusing. Secondly you didn't even answer my question, which is... Can non Christians be possessed and how do you define that word. You seem to agree that there is no concept of ownership for Christians but your supporting logic doesn't apply to non Christians which is why I asked for clarification.

 

[PloughBoy]

Now when the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places, seeking rest, and does not find it. 44“Then it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came’; and when it comes, it finds it unoccupied, swept, and put in order. 45“Then it goes, and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. That is the way it will also be with this evil generation.”

I will not, absolutely I will not, play The “Grandeur” of A Interpreter of GOD relating To the Text Of Scripture That I Have Displayed related To the Text in Question, For The “Parakletos” have arrived centuries ago. And explains at his own Discretion as The Situations arise concerning his own.

15Know ye not that your bodies are members of Christ? shall I then take away the members of Christ, and make them members of a harlot? God forbid. 16Or know ye not that he that is joined to a harlot is one body? for, The twain, saith he, shall become one flesh. 17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

The Body is a Temple of the Holy Spirit

18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own [Soul] body. 19Or know ye not that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own; 20for ye were bought with a price: glorify God therefore in your body.

Glorifying; meaning here, let not you Soul be desecrated by a act of polluting. Touch not The unclean thing! Do not Pollute Your Soul. “Guard Your Heart”


International Standard Version
Above everything else guard your [spirit] heart, because from it flow the springs of life.

 

[Waggles]

I've always understood that a Christian is a Christian is a Christian....

No
There are Spirit-filled Christians ordained by God through the indwelling Holy Spirit.
And there are worldly Christians ordained by men (and now women) according to the traditions of their doctrines.
The church - the body of Christ - that we read of in our NT was and only was Pentecostal.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

No
There are Spirit-filled Christians ordained by God through the indwelling Holy Spirit.
And there are worldly Christians ordained by men (and now women) according to the traditions of their doctrines.
The church - the body of Christ - that we read of in our NT was and only was Pentecostal.

Either you are a Christian...a follower of Jesus or you are not... A follower of self is not a Christian....Most Americans, for example, have thought they are Christians simply because they grew up in a Christian nation (though that is changing) Muslims think that all non Muslims are Christians...again..not so. A Christian is a follower, a disciple of Jesus....no others are
Pentecostal is only one of many denominations. Denominations are not even scriptural as far as I can see....and Pentecostal is full of it own frailties just like the rest.

 

[Waggles]

Either you are a Christian...a follower of Jesus or you are not...

Romans 8:9 But YE are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that God’s Spirit dwelleth in you. But if any hath not Christ’s Spirit he is none of his.
In the NT there are no Roman Catholics, no Lutherans, no Protestants, no Orthodox.
There was only one church, one gospel, one faith, one doctrine on baptisms, one Spirit - the church of the NT was Pentecostal and all fulfilled Mark 16 - these signs shall follow them that believe ...
The epistles are written to the Spirit-filled church those sanctified and justified by God when they were born from above and converted.

2Cor 6:14 Be not unequally yoked with unbelievers: for what fellowship have righteousness and iniquity? or what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Beliar? or what portion hath believer with unbeliever?
16 And what agreement hath God’s sanctuary with idols? for we are the living God’s sanctuary; even as God said [that] I will dwell in them, and walk; And be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from their midst, And be separate, saith the Lord, And touch no unclean thing; And I will receive you,
18 And will be Father to you, And ye shall be to me sons and daughters, Saith the Lord Almighty.

 

[joecoten]

"4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all." - Ephesians 4: 4-6
In my way of thinking, there are believers (immature) and disciples (maturing). I've been both. If one wants a biblical understanding of Christians and demons, I'd suggest reading "They Shall Expel Demons" by Derek Prince.
I once spent a week at a parachurch ministry, which included putting into action Prince's videos "Release From The Curse" and "Basics Of Deliverance."

 

[PloughBoy]

Can a person who have not Been Converted into a new creature, can that person be possessed by demons? What do you mean CAN? They are, possess!!
Some just have more than others! There are all types of Demons! Lying demons, blocking demons, sexual demons of all kinds of sexual “Degradations”, drinking demons, stealing demons, Glutton demons, backbiting demons, Gossiping demons, Adulterating Demons, fornicating demons, they cannot get enough, all kinds of different kinds of demons. I told y’all we got “Christian’s” then we got “Children of GOD” and “Sons of GOD” and “Fathers in the faith” teenagers always know better that their grown parents.
There are more demons than people!

Y’all better go back and pray real hard, and pick them spaces up you skip over!

You do remember it don’t take all of that

You don’t need all of That “Armour” You just need love! Just put your arms around that devil and hug him and give him a holy kiss and train him how to be a good little Christian.


Do any one remember the story about that “Snake” she found in the cold, wrap him up, put him in her pocket, took him home and fed him, and nurse him back to health. That snake got well and Bit her.

She ask why did you bite me after I warm you up, took you into my home and fed you and nurse you back to health?
The snake replied:

Did you not know, I was a Snake when you Pick me up and took me home?


You must read The Whole Book!

God Told Israel on many occasions, kill everything, man, woman and child, goats, sheep kill everything, then on some occasions not all but keep those virgin women who have never known a man.

He didn’t tell them why, he gave a command. If they did not do what he said, there were Consequences, sometimes those consequences went through all their generations to come.

God never lies. And his mercy endures for ever!

Here is a good one, the person is married, then finds Their “Soul Mate”, he or she, is like I have known them all my life. Not Realizing there are Demons involved, they know what they like one demon touching another demon, exciting the human senses,
Cupid firing his arrows straight to and Penetrating the heart, tagging them.,,,these are the ones you got to Run and don’t look back….The only Armour you got is your Feet! Now! If You open that gate he got friends! Called, lying demons, deceptive demons, false accusations demons, demons that spread Discourse, demons that cause dis-respectful behavior towards your spouse, Gossiping about your spouse, to win others over to your side, causing them to act in dis respectful ways.

And you thought before you got the Holy Ghost you was in Bondage! But when that Group comes in by permission he is bring company! And no Abra Kasam! Is going to make them flee that quick, they got permission from GOD to teach you a lesson you will never forget! Because you are going to need “The GOD ALMIGHTY”. To give a Direct Command to set you Free! And you will have wounded many, and left deep scars into your very Soul but healed but The Spiritual Scars will remain as a Reminder that you will not forget.

You will never leave That Porch Again

PS. It is not Paradox.

Many will say well if you got the Holy Spirit then how can demons come into your body at the same time?

For with GOD all things are possible.

Is not the human body a complex center. that can house the Soul, the New Spirit coming from The Second Adam, House them both. thenThe Holy Spirit can also occupy the Human body at the same time. Now with The Power of GOD cannot a Closet also be within The Body or The Soul or even The New Spirit we receive from The Second Adam with a Possibility that the Parakletos can go in and lock The Door. Even within our very Soul. For The Holy Spirit will not dwell in a unclean vessel. But That New Spirit that came down from GOD in Heaven is a Completely New Creature! And It’s Capacity is unknown by a Mortal man. Who possesses a “Finite mind”. So hold on, we have step off into The Unknown.

 

[joestue]

You make a mockery of a serious subject.

The question is simple: can a non Christian be "owned" by a demon.

So many Christians use the word possession in the English sense of the word to distinguish the difference between a non Christian who has a demon vs a Christian who remains influenced by a demon residing in them.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Romans 8:9 But YE are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that God’s Spirit dwelleth in you. But if any hath not Christ’s Spirit he is none of his.
In the NT there are no Roman Catholics, no Lutherans, no Protestants, no Orthodox.
There was only one church, one gospel, one faith, one doctrine on baptisms, one Spirit - the church of the NT was Pentecostal and all fulfilled Mark 16 - these signs shall follow them that believe ...
The epistles are written to the Spirit-filled church those sanctified and justified by God when they were born from above and converted.

2Cor 6:14 Be not unequally yoked with unbelievers: for what fellowship have righteousness and iniquity? or what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Beliar? or what portion hath believer with unbeliever?
16 And what agreement hath God’s sanctuary with idols? for we are the living God’s sanctuary; even as God said [that] I will dwell in them, and walk; And be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from their midst, And be separate, saith the Lord, And touch no unclean thing; And I will receive you,

Actually, the pentecostal demomination started in 1906 Los Angeles. Yes the church was following Mark 16 but it was not Pentecostal...It was the church.....My wife and I attended Pentecostal churches for years! We attended Pentecostal churches until one day my wife asked a question at a bible study. The question..." Why is it the verse says 'These signs will follow those that believe' but we so seldom see those signs? And when we do see them, it seems that they happen more by accident than on purpose?" When she asked that question, all HELL broke loose and we ended up getting kicked out of that Pentecostal church.....But they were Christians....so we thought. The pastor lost his job there, the church split, the pastor accidentally drove out in front of a dump truck and his wife was killed, the church died....if it had ever truly lived......Pentecostal is no better than any other denomination sir.

 

[joecoten]

"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." - Romans 8:14

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." - Romans 8:14

If you run away from your demons, are you led by the Spirit of God? Is God raising a flock of runners? I think not!

 

[joestue]

If you run away from your demons, are you led by the Spirit of God? Is God raising a flock of runners?

I asked my dad a similar question when he complained about how much my brother and I drink by passively muttering "alcohol lets the demons out"

I asked him "what keeps them in?"