Can Christians become invoved in politics.?

[Headcasey669]

Not just involved but run for office. I have looked for a diffinative answer to this question and I've come up short. There are so many conflicting views on this subject.

 

[Brad Huber]

Well there are two thoughts on the matter to me. One, bad company corrupts, so dont get involved in politics, because its full of really bad ppl. The other is that when leadership is abandoned by the decent God fearing people, the corrupt feel much more free to advance thier corruption more fully without fear of detection by the righteous.

 

[Trevor]

Well there are two thoughts on the matter to me. One, bad company corrupts, so dont get involved in politics, because its full of really bad ppl. The other is that when leadership is abandoned by the decent God fearing people, the corrupt feel much more free to advance thier corruption more fully without fear of detection by the righteous.

Hi Brad, Politics are mentioned, Rom 13: 1-2. Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgement on themselves. So why get involved if God has the matter in hand. What we are called to do is, 1 Tim 2:1-2 I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone - for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. This is good, and pleases God our saviour, who wants all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth. Politics are of the world, we are of the kingdom of heaven things are different for us, we are in the world but not of it. maybe we should leave the world to what is of the world and get on with the promotion of the kingdom. bless you, I pray these scriptures will be of help.

 

[Brad Huber]

Trevor, you will fit right in, to the new world order coming.

 

[Trevor]

Trevor, you will fit right in, to the new world order coming.

On the contrary Brad, I will obey the authorities, until they order me to disobey God e. g. Denying Jesus, taking the mark of the beast. etc... Bless you Brad

 

[Reba1]

One of the reasons the USA is in such a mess is the Christians after WWII sat back doing nothing and waited for rapture. Israel became a state . THIS is the END He will return very soon..ETC,,,

The Parable of the Ten Minas
Luk 19:11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.
Luk 19:12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
Luk 19:13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
Luk 19:14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
Luk 19:15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
Luk 19:16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
Luk 19:17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
Luk 19:18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
Luk 19:19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
Luk 19:20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
Luk 19:21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
Luk 19:22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
Luk 19:23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?
Luk 19:24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
Luk 19:25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)
Luk 19:26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
Luk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

 

[Brad Huber]

On the contrary Brad, I will obey the authorities, until they order me to disobey God e. g. Denying Jesus, taking the mark of the beast. etc... Bless you Brad

They are ordering us to not congregate now in church, which is against scripture. You okay with that? Some are suggesting that christians not be allowed to home school their kids? You okay with that?

 

[Trevor]

They are ordering us to not congregate now in church, which is against scripture. You okay with that? Some are suggesting that christians not be allowed to home school their kids? You okay with that?

Well Brad, as we have a family fellowship, and I am now 78 and all the children are now long gone, it doesn't actually apply to us, but I can see your point. Bless you, we are however in the last days and shouldn't be supprised.

 

[Brad Huber]

Well Brad, as we have a family fellowship, and I am now 78 and all the children are now long gone, it doesn't actually apply to us, but I can see your point. Bless you, we are however in the last days and shouldn't be supprised.

In a representitive form of govt, those who do nothing because it doesnt seem to affect them, deserve whatever happens to themselves and those they love.

 

[Hekuran]

In a representitive form of govt, those who do nothing because it doesnt seem to affect them, deserve whatever happens to themselves and those they love.

Yes, and there's more to it than voting once every four years.

Politics is the way we decide how society treats its members. Our participation ought to be a way to obey the command, 'love your neighbour as yourself'.

 

[Trevor]

In a representitive form of govt, those who do nothing because it doesnt seem to affect them, deserve whatever happens to themselves and those they love.

That's quite an aggressive post, But I do, do something Brad, I do as I am called to do, I pray for those in authority over me because the Lord tells me that he put them there, or don't you believe that. What in your estimation is more important, to vote for them, or to pray for them? you tell me, your a Christian.

 

[Reba1]

Like the holy man who sets and prays. James is every bit as much Scripture as John,, And again The Parable of the Ten Minas

 

[Trevor]

Yes, and there's more to it than voting once every four years.

Politics is the way we decide how society treats its members. Our participation ought to be a way to obey the command, 'love your neighbour as yourself'.

No Hekuran, Politics is the way Satan's world decides how society treats it's members. In the kingdom of heaven, we are called to pray for whoever in society wins the vote and trust in Gods choice. I am an alien in this world. I am a citizen of the kingdom of heaven and in our kingdom we are not ruled by men, we are ruled by a King.

 

[Hekuran]

This is not the satans world, never has been, never will be. The rightful snd true king is God. Thats whhy we say Jesus is Lord.

The world may be in rebellion against God's reign, but that is temporary. Jesus will return and we will see the kingdom of God in all its glory.

In the meantime, l see no contradiction in bringing eternal kingdom values and practices to the politics of our society today.

 

[Enxu]

This is not the satans world, never has been, never will be. The rightful snd true king is God. Thats whhy we say Jesus is Lord.

The world may be in rebellion against God's reign, but that is temporary. Jesus will return and we will see the kingdom of God in all its glory.

In the meantime, l see no contradiction in bringing eternal kingdom values and practices to the politics of our society today.

The god of this age/world is Satan 2 Corinthians 4:4

I believe what the Bible plainly reveals.

 

[Trevor]

This is not the satans world, never has been, never will be. The rightful snd true king is God. Thats whhy we say Jesus is Lord.

The world may be in rebellion against God's reign, but that is temporary. Jesus will return and we will see the kingdom of God in all its glory.

In the meantime, l see no contradiction in bringing eternal kingdom values and practices to the politics of our society today.

Luke 4:5-7 The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, I will give you all their authority and splendour, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. So if you worship me , it will be yours. Jesus answered, It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.
John 14:30 I will not say much more to you, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me.
In Luke, Satan claimed the kingdoms of the world were under his authority that had been given to him, and he could give it to whoever he wished. Jesus didn't refute that. In John, he acknowledged that Satan is the Prince of this world.
John 18:33 Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, "Are you the king of the Jews?" "Is that your own idea," Jesus asked, "or did other talk to you about me?" "Am I a Jew?" Pilate replied. "It was your people and your chief priests who handed you over to me. what is it you have done?" Jesus answered "my kingdom is not of this world. If it were , my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place." You are a king then!" said Pilate. Jesus answered, "You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me." Here Jesus acknowledges he is a king, but his kingdom is not of this world. And we say Jesus is Lord because we are of the kingdom of heaven where He is Lord. and you're right, our Lord will return, and we will see the kingdom of God in its glory, but that is after the third temple is built in Jerusalem, and that hasn't happened yet. In the meantime, we are called to pray for those in authority. We may vote and the other person gets in, what's the point of that, but if we pray we influence decisions, that's far more beneficial, don't you think? Bless you. I noticed there were no blessings at the end of your post, perhaps you were too angry. Chill out bro, this is only a debate. Just to punctuate the subject,
2 Corinthians 4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ.

 

[Hekuran]

Blessings Trevor. Cool as a refrigerated cucumber here. I don't know why you thought I might be angry, but let me assure you, I'm not agitated in any way. I try to write with short, direct sentences so that it's easy for anyone to understand quickly what I'm saying.

We've opened up a major fault line here. Is Jesus lord of heaven and earth, or just heaven? I'm very firmly on the side of Jesus Lord of all things on heaven and earth. When he said to Pilate that his kingdom is not of this world, he was saying that his authority comes not from Caesar or any other worldly power, but from the throne of heaven itself.

That's the foundation of my views on politics. When we say 'Jesus is Lord', we are also saying that 'Caesar is not lord'. I'm kind of content to lay that down and let the thread roll on.

 

[Trevor]

Blessings Trevor. Cool as a refrigerated cucumber here. I don't know why you thought I might be angry, but let me assure you, I'm not agitated in any way. I try to write with short, direct sentences so that it's easy for anyone to understand quickly what I'm saying.

We've opened up a major fault line here. Is Jesus lord of heaven and earth, or just heaven? I'm very firmly on the side of Jesus Lord of all things on heaven and earth. When he said to Pilate that his kingdom is not of this world, he was saying that his authority comes not from Caesar or any other worldly power, but from the throne of heaven itself.

That's the foundation of my views on politics. When we say 'Jesus is Lord', we are also saying that 'Caesar is not lord'. I'm kind of content to lay that down and let the thread roll on.

Hi Hekuran, If Jesus is Lord of the world, why didn't he refute Satan's claim to it, when being tempted in the desert in Luke 4:6? And why, if he has the authority, is the world in such a state? and as it is, why doesn't he do something about it? and why did Pilate not acknowledge him as Lord? and why, If he is Lord of the earth right now, is he going to establish his kingdom after he's won the battle of Armageddon? And why did Paul, acknowledge Satan as god of this world in 2 Cor 4:4? and why did Jesus refer to him as the prince of this world in John 14:30? with all due respect Hekuran, there are a lot of scripture that questions your theories. Perhaps you can come up with some that substantiates them. Bless you

 

[Reba1]

Anyone using anything governments have provided. from cops, soldiers, roads, bridges, any form of a 'government check', schools ( which i do not recommend ) the 40 hour work week . Safety laws at work, street lights , sidewalks, storm drains , all these things and many more are from the government if any says they are not involved in government, calling all things things and many more to be of satan yet any are used they are being hypocritical.

 

[Trevor]

Anyone using anything governments have provided. from cops, soldiers, roads, bridges, any form of a 'government check', schools ( which i do not recommend ) the 40 hour work week . Safety laws at work, street lights , sidewalks, storm drains , all these things and many more are from the government if any says they are not involved in government, calling all things things and many more to be of satan yet any are used they are being hypocritical.

Don't forget Reba, the body are called to pray for those in power and authority, and God answers our prayers and influences the decisions they make. That's why Paul instructs us to, before any other prayer requests, pray for those in authority 1 Tim 2:1-2. So Reba is it our votes or our prayers that cause those in authority to make decisions favouring the populous? bless you.