Can Christians become invoved in politics.?

[Reba1]

Don't forget Reba, the body are called to pray for those in power and authority, and God answers our prayers and influences the decisions they make. That's why Paul instructs us to, before any other prayer requests, pray for those in authority 1 Tim 2:1-2. So Reba is it our votes or our prayers that cause those in authority to make decisions favouring the populous? bless you.

Totally agree
Do you have a job , do you work for your support , or do you set as a 'holy man' praying only?

action and prayer/faith work together...


Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jas 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

 

[Trevor]

Totally agree
Do you have a job , do you work for your support , or do you set as a 'holy man' praying only?

action and prayer/faith work together...
Totally agree
Do you have a job , do you work for your support , or do you set as a 'holy man' praying only?

action and prayer/faith work together...


Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jas 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

I'm seventy eight Reba but I do work, I am a street singer and I sing country music interspersed with my own Christian songs, I play in Keswick England and often people will stop to talk, and inevitably the subject will, through my Christian songs, lead to discussing Jesus. but no doubt some will find a problem with this. Bless you

 

[Hekuran]

Hi Hekuran, If Jesus is Lord of the world, why didn't he refute Satan's claim to it, when being tempted in the desert in Luke 4:6? And why, if he has the authority, is the world in such a state? and as it is, why doesn't he do something about it? and why did Pilate not acknowledge him as Lord? and why, If he is Lord of the earth right now, is he going to establish his kingdom after he's won the battle of Armageddon? And why did Paul, acknowledge Satan as god of this world in 2 Cor 4:4? and why did Jesus refer to him as the prince of this world in John 14:30? with all due respect Hekuran, there are a lot of scripture that questions your theories. Perhaps you can come up with some that substantiates them. Bless you

Hi Trevor, there's heaps of scriptures I could post. Here's two -- one from the Old and one from the New Tesatament.

Psalm 24:1
The earth is the Lord’s and all that is in it,
the world, and those who live in it;

And Colossians 1:15-20

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; for in him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers—all things have been created through him and for him. He himself is before all things, and in him all things hold together. He is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might come to have first place in everything. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him God was pleased to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, by making peace through the blood of his cross.

 

[Reba1]

You got me by 5 years ! That is wonderful thing yo do

 

[Trevor]

You got me by 5 years ! That is wonderful thing yo do

Bless you, I love it, but I am toying with the idea of street ministry, sharing faith on the streets. perhaps you'll put up a prayer for me that God will let me know if it is his will.

 

[Trevor]

Hi Trevor, there's heaps of scriptures I could post. Here's two -- one from the Old and one from the New Tesatament.

Psalm 24:1
The earth is the Lord’s and all that is in it,
the world, and those who live in it;

And Colossians 1:15-20

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; for in him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers—all things have been created through him and for him. He himself is before all things, and in him all things hold together. He is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might come to have first place in everything. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him God was pleased to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, by making peace through the blood of his cross.

Amen Hekuran, Of course God is all powerful, in fact Satan has to ask God before he can access the saints. Jesus also is more powerful that Satan, that's why he was able to overcome him in the desert and in doing so, show that he is the second Adam, but this time without sin. I understand this, but it seems Satan has a job to do and that is to strengthen the saints through trials and tribulations, That is why he has been given reign to wander the earth and do what he was created to do. I, on many occasions have had to do battle with, if not him, his demons and I have become stronger for it, as have many saints throughout the years. But the condition of the world belies any notion that Jesus is controlling it. Obviously, he could if he wished, he's God, but it seems he's allowing Satan to do his work, until the last battle when He will come in all his Glory to bring about his kingdom on earth, where the saints who have overcome will reign with him.

Hi Trevor, there's heaps of scriptures I could post. Here's two -- one from the Old and one from the New Tesatament.

Psalm 24:1
The earth is the Lord’s and all that is in it,
the world, and those who live in it;

And Colossians 1:15-20

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; for in him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers—all things have been created through him and for him. He himself is before all things, and in him all things hold together. He is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might come to have first place in everything. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him God was pleased to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, by making peace through the blood of his cross.

Amen Hekuran, I can't fault the scriptures you quote, of course I can't, they are the written Word, the Sword of the Spirit, but that doesn't alter the fact that the all-powerful God has allowed Satan reign to wander the earth and do the work he was created to do, Strengthen the saints through trial and tribulation. If this wasn't the case we'd be in paradise, there'd be no Satan and our King would be on his throne. but one look at the world proves that this is not the case. The world is progressively deteriorating, There are wars and rumours of wars, Earthquakes happening more and more often, mankind have become lovers of themselves, they pierce their flesh, have surgery to enhance the unenhanceable, no-one can improve on God's creation, but man is so arrogant that he believes he can. He even believes he or she can change their gender and they make it a crime for anybody to disagree. This is not the work of God it's the work of the father of lies. Would this be allowed if The King was on his throne? Of course not. We are in the last days of Satan's power and when the third temple is built and it is being spoken of as I write, The antichrist will enter it and the final war of Armageddon will be upon us. The outcome of which will be victory for our King. I think I've mucked up the post, if I have forgive me.

 

[Reba1]

jesus said

Joh 12:28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
Joh 12:29 The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
Joh 12:30 Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

 

[Brad Huber]

That's quite an aggressive post, But I do, do something Brad, I do as I am called to do, I pray for those in authority over me because the Lord tells me that he put them there, or don't you believe that. What in your estimation is more important, to vote for them, or to pray for them? you tell me, your a Christian.

It is not aggressive, thats an action. Its the truth, spoken to wake people up. Thats what the watchers on the wall are supposed to do.

 

[Trevor]

It is not aggressive, thats an action. Its the truth, spoken to wake people up. Thats what the watchers on the wall are supposed to do.

That Brad, doesn't answer the question I asked? but then again, watchers are probably not called to answer questions.

 

[Reba1]

We do many things that do not have an exact scripture to authorize them. Such as there is no Scriptures that say Spread the gospel on the internet. Nor is their one that says get/don't get involved in politics. There are plenty of passages many of them the Parables of Jesus telling us how to live our daily life's . He tells us to occupy ,which to me, means to be involved. No where in Scripture are we told to set on a mat spending 24/7 a day praying. Yet we are told to pray with out ceasing.

We are told if a man doesn't work he does not eat. One that does not provide for his own is worse then an infidel . They do not say "get a job" although providing is strongly implied.

 

[Brad Huber]

That Brad, doesn't answer the question I asked? but then again, watchers are probably not called to answer questions.

No need to be snarky. I didnt answer your question, because you were simply trying to find fault with me, and it didnt matter my answer, that for all you know, could be a lie. I can tell you that I do both pray for them, and vote for them. And more, I write to my congressman or senator sometimes also. I try to get other people to be involved and more often than not, they just dont care, and wont care till it affects them directly in some adverse way. Its like sheep, they go their own way. They only respond to those "herding" them, and run from predators often when its too late. I am no sheep, because God set me up to be more like a ram, a sheep protector, but my protection mostly runs to those who hear my voice and listen. I dont speak of protection on my own, but as the Holy Spirit motivates me, saying, do this... and I do it... and do that... and I do it, and sometimes when people dont care, it saddens me, because short of God's intervention, the wolf will find them eventually.

 

[Trevor]

No need to be snarky. I didnt answer your question, because you were simply trying to find fault with me, and it didnt matter my answer, that for all you know, could be a lie. I can tell you that I do both pray for them, and vote for them. And more, I write to my congressman or senator sometimes also. I try to get other people to be involved and more often than not, they just dont care, and wont care till it affects them directly in some adverse way. Its like sheep, they go their own way. They only respond to those "herding" them, and run from predators often when its too late. I am no sheep, because God set me up to be more like a ram, a sheep protector, but my protection mostly runs to those who hear my voice and listen. I dont speak of protection on my own, but as the Holy Spirit motivates me, saying, do this... and I do it... and do that... and I do it, and sometimes when people dont care, it saddens me, because short of God's intervention, the wolf will find them eventually.

I'm sorry Brad, but I've been a Christian for over forty years, and the thought of someone, probably much younger than I, watching me over some wall, I find irksome. After my daily run-ins with Satan and his lot, against which, I have to don my armour and draw my Sword to fight them off, the thought of a brother watching and judging me doesn't sit well. But if I came across as snarky (a good word, not often heard in England) I apologise, please forgive a crusty old saint.

 

[Brad Huber]

I'm sorry Brad, but I've been a Christian for over forty years, and the thought of someone, probably much younger than I, watching me over some wall, I find irksome. After my daily run-ins with Satan and his lot, against which, I have to don my armour and draw my Sword to fight them off, the thought of a brother watching and judging me doesn't sit well. But if I came across as snarky (a good word, not often heard in England) I apologise, please forgive a crusty old saint.

Fair enough, but dont forget that God's wisdom doesnt automatically reside in those who have lived longer. They no doubt have plenty of reserve of human wisdom, and thats decent on its own. But wisdom from the Holy Spirit just makes human wisdom seem like foolishness quite often. Just today, the Holy Spirit told me to take off work due to a lot of pain on my feet which has been an ongoing problem with me for the past 15 years. Recently, despite the pills I have been taking for it for about 14 years, the pain has gotten worse. The doctor first said, increase the dosage of what you are taking already, that didnt work and it only made me more tired and sleepy. Then he prescribed an anti-inflammatory, which after 2 days hasnt done anything to alleviate the pain. His nurse today told me it might take 2 weeks for it to get into my system enough to make a difference. I cant do my job working in retail with my feet the way they are right now, so I came home from work after being there about an hour. It freaked my wife out so much that I came home because of the reason why, that she cancelled getting some new flooring to replace the carpet we have that is in pretty bad shape. She assumed that without a job, we would have no income coming in on my part. I explained that I have insurance for long and short term disability from work, and that all I would need would be some doctors backing to the effect of my current foot problems and I would be paid for staying at home through my work insurance. I told her she should continue on with the flooring, and to trust me and the Lord concerning finances. She is 17 years older than me, retired, and I am 60. So despite her being more knowledgeable than me on many subjects, she was letting fear control her response, instead of wisdom and trust in the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is like a Great Wind, it goes where it will, and props up those who utilize it most, regardless of age, I remind you of Paul's teaching on Timothy and his age. Dont fall into the category of thinking that age has anything to do with God's wisdom.

 

[Trevor]

Fair enough, but dont forget that God's wisdom doesnt automatically reside in those who have lived longer. They no doubt have plenty of reserve of human wisdom, and thats decent on its own. But wisdom from the Holy Spirit just makes human wisdom seem like foolishness quite often. Just today, the Holy Spirit told me to take off work due to a lot of pain on my feet which has been an ongoing problem with me for the past 15 years. Recently, despite the pills I have been taking for it for about 14 years, the pain has gotten worse. The doctor first said, increase the dosage of what you are taking already, that didnt work and it only made me more tired and sleepy. Then he prescribed an anti-inflammatory, which after 2 days hasnt done anything to alleviate the pain. His nurse today told me it might take 2 weeks for it to get into my system enough to make a difference. I cant do my job working in retail with my feet the way they are right now, so I came home from work after being there about an hour. It freaked my wife out so much that I came home because of the reason why, that she cancelled getting some new flooring to replace the carpet we have that is in pretty bad shape. She assumed that without a job, we would have no income coming in on my part. I explained that I have insurance for long and short term disability from work, and that all I would need would be some doctors backing to the effect of my current foot problems and I would be paid for staying at home through my work insurance. I told her she should continue on with the flooring, and to trust me and the Lord concerning finances. She is 17 years older than me, retired, and I am 60. So despite her being more knowledgeable than me on many subjects, she was letting fear control her response, instead of wisdom and trust in the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is like a Great Wind, it goes where it will, and props up those who utilize it most, regardless of age, I remind you of Paul's teaching on Timothy and his age. Dont fall into the category of thinking that age has anything to do with God's wisdom.

I'm sure young people can have wisdom and I'm sure age has nothing to do with anything. I was just trying to apologise. Sorry about your health issues, Helen and I have prayed for the Lord to bless you. as we do. Trevor

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Not just involved but run for office. I have looked for a diffinative answer to this question and I've come up short. There are so many conflicting views on this subject.

If The Holy Spirit TELLS YOU to run for office, THEN JUST DO IT. There's no "question" Do you believe the steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord or not??

 

[brighthouse98]

Just to point another side to this.( James 4:4) Some believers will not even vote, and point to this scripture as to why. If your looking to become a friend to the world you are an enemy of God they believe.

 

[Trevor]

If The Holy Spirit TELLS YOU to run for office, THEN JUST DO IT. There's no "question" Do you believe the steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord or not??

If a spirit in you tells you to do something that goes against the written Word Bob, I would tend to question the spirit in you, rather than the Word. Wouldn't you?

 

[brighthouse98]

But Trevor we also must test that spirit. ( 1 John 4:1) and if this is really what the Lord wants you to do, then he will also confirm it! ( 2 Cor 13:1)

 

[Trevor]

But Trevor we also must test that spirit. ( 1 John 4:1) and if this is really what the Lord wants you to do, then he will also confirm it! ( 2 Cor 13:1)

Well said brighthouse, I'd forgotten that Satan used the Word to tempt Jesus in the desert. Bless you.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

If a spirit in you tells you to do something that goes against the written Word Bob, I would tend to question the spirit in you, rather than the Word. Wouldn't you?

But since one of the ministry gifts/callings of the Spirit is "Governments" (Kybernesis) then certainly political acumen is Biblically indicated, and it's be hard for ME to even understand your CLAIM that involvement on secular government is unbiblical. Why do you think rendering "WISE COUNCIL" in civil matters would be "against the written word"?