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Can i not be Christian and Saved?

Many believe he was under the old covenant. Jesus has not yet ascended to heaven. ( That was 43 days later )
Jesus hadn't yet sprinkled his blood on the mercy seat in Temple in heaven.

John 2:19; Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
Acts 1:3; To these He also presented Himself alive after His suffering, by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days and speaking of the things concerning the kingdom of God.

John 7:39; But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

John 20:17 ; Jesus *said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'"

Heb 8:2; a minister in the sanctuary and in the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, not man.

Heb 9:11; But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
Heb 9:21; And in the same way he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood.
Heb 9:22; And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
Heb 9:23; Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24; For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;
Heb 9:25; nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own.

Heb 12:24; and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.
Greetings in the Lord,
So your saying no one in the O.T. had the Spirit of God?
God is a Spirit. And has been with us since the beginning.
So Joseph did not have the Spirit of God when he told Pharaoh of his dream? (7 yrs of plenty...)
Even Pharaoh said (Gen 41:38) unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is?

And there are so many more in the O.T. that the Spirit of God was in them.

So the thief, was a thief. Yes still under the law for then. But he was not holy or righteous. He thieved his way through to survive.
He was the thief, that hang with Jesus, defended Jesus, and was granted by Jesus that he would be with him.
How can this be? He believed in the only begotten Son of God. He believed Jesus is, who He said He is.

He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

All praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen
 
So your saying no one in the O.T. had the Spirit of God?
God is a Spirit. And has been with us since the beginning.

No one in the Old testament was baptized with the Holy Spirit, the Spirit came "upon" some people in the OT.
Usually leaders of Israel, prophets, kings, and leaders.

The Holy Spirit now dwells within us, all the time. Al believers, not just God's chosen conduit.

John 16:7; "But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.

John 7:39; But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 2, was the first time this ever happened, for anyone. ( a possible exception for John the Baptist )
 
Probably more "Word issues" here, but the long version would be:

In 1963, and for 6-7 years before, I was terminally depressed, hopeless, and passively suicidal. so, with a couple from a neighboring town in Massachusetts, I bout a 1947 Buick, and drove from the Boston area to Houston Texas to "get away from our problems. Houston was a much more dynamic economy, and good jobs were easy to come by, but since I'd brought myself along, and I was the "Problem" things didn't get better.

But the Lord had engineered the solution - my roommates got Born Again - led to the Lord by the folks across the hall, The next night, Pete took me on and the Holy Spirit convicted me of my SIN, and with the assistance of my roommate, I Surrendered, Repented, and Cried out to God to SAVE ME. He did, and everything changed because of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (John 20:22). As frosting on the cake, I was INSTANTLY delivered from my three-pack a day cigarette habit - no withdrawal, no craving, just like I'd neve smoked in my life. (more to that story)

The following Sunday evening, At Greenwood Baptist Church in Pasadena, TX, I was Baptized by immersion in the three titles, and initially indoctrinated (New Convert's class) in the Southern Baptist theological package (Gap theory, OSAS, Cessationism, etc.).

When I returned home to Massachusetts shortly after, I found that the Northeastern Baptist Churches were quite a different breed of cat, rather cold and liberal, and in search of a more "Warm Blooded" CHurch, I wound up in the Assemblies of God denomination, where I've been for most of the last 57 years. Being a "Pentecostal Denomination", they stressed "the Baptism in the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:4), and the speaking in tongues as the "initial evidence thereof". I didn't have any theological issues with that, but I didn't HAVE IT.

In the '60s, God sent The Charismatic Outpouring, which rolled across the Midwest where I was living then, and I became part of the "Full Gospel Business Men's Fellowship International" (FGBMFI). After a year or so, I was prayed for to receive the "Baptism in the Holy Spirit", and nothing happened - until about three weeks later, and suddenly during worship, an odd "word" appeared in my mind, and I spoke it - then more odd words came, and flowed as I spoke them - i.e. "Tongues". SO basically I'd been "Born Again" since '63, and Baptized in the Holy SPirit in '73. and the PRACTICAL aspect of that was that I was suddenly propelled into an intense Bible teaching ministry to small groups, which went on for pretty much the next decade. God also used me often in the "Interpretation of Tongues" in churches, and occasionally in "prophesy".

The Charismatic outpouring (1966 - 1979 or so) affected mostly the "Liberal denominations and Roman Catholics", and the Assemblies of God wanted NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. One aspect of the "outpouring" was that it was non-denominational, and we all saw in the Lord something much higher than our "precious denominational doctrines". For about a decade we were all "Just Christians" together, and "Labels" were very unimportant.

But all Holy Spirit Revivals come to an end, and us "Charismatics" had to make a choice. SOME of them "tried to keep it going" (which was impossible), and others of us re-integrated with our old denominational groups, and MANY Charismatics flowed into the Assemblies of God Denomination with the effect that the AG became a LOT LESS LEGALISTIC (one strike and your OUT), and generally became a much less JUDGEMENTAL group.

So essentially my "Theology" is: "Free range Charismatic, NON-Systematic, slightly Calvinist leaning, non-denominational Christian" who's a member in good standing of an Assembly of God church family.
Praise God for it Bob,
I haven't got a signed bible with the date in which i was saved; I have testimony of the revelation of Jesus Christ though.
Yes, I was dunked under the water by man, but I was not saved.
This is what we do, and this is how we do it. So I followed suit to no avail.
However, I continue to push, read, and pray upon the matter.
I said Lord this cant be all there is. We show up, sit on the bench quietly and go away. There is more Lord, so much more, and I know it; If I'm to follow you I want to do it just like you, cause I know you did it right.
I had no clue what I pray, but it was with an earnest heart.
Then one evening...
A white rain fell upon me, while I stood under a big canopy tent at a revival.
I could feel the water running down my face and dripping off my chin.
My clothes begin to feel soggy, like I was standing in a rain shower.
I speak of being in the Spirit, because in the flesh, I was bone dry.
That was my true water baptism.
I had been rained upon by God.

He has a baptism to be baptized with.
It is supernatural; it happens in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, our life is changed. For we have been caught up, and touched by God.

All praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen
 
Yes, the devil infiltrated the charsmatic groups with pride. And as there were no one to really ' Lead ' and help you combat the pride. It caused the catastrophic calapse of the Spirit filled community

I was never a charsmatic, infact by the time i came along, i kept running into pride filled Charismatics.

No one had bothered to teach people how to use discernment, so the same as it is today. Discernment is not used
But in the near future their WILL BE someone to "Lead", But the human results won't be very enjoyable.
 
No one in the Old testament was baptized with the Holy Spirit, the Spirit came "upon" some people in the OT.
Usually leaders of Israel, prophets, kings, and leaders.

The Holy Spirit now dwells within us, all the time. Al believers, not just God's chosen conduit.

John 16:7; "But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.

John 7:39; But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 2, was the first time this ever happened, for anyone. ( a possible exception for John the Baptist )
Yes, brother I know.
So a possible exception with John the Baptist, but no one else?
The only limitations God has, is one not believing He is able.
The thief believed, unholy and unrighteous, but he believed in the Son of God.

Have you ever read in Revelations when John was told to measure the temple, but don't measure the outer courts?
Why? Because he was told the outer courts are for the unrighteousness of God.
They will forever see the temple (New Jerusalem), but will not be permitted to enter in.
Maybe a study there will give more clarity.

All praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen
 
The Holy Spirit was only given under the Old Testament temporarily to empower them for a specific mission. John the Baptist who confessed Jesus to be the Lamb of God by the Holy Spirit later while in prison began to doubt whether Jesus really was the messiah. The Holy Spirit today as Jesus tells us will never leave us and will abide with us forever.
 
But in the near future their WILL BE someone to "Lead", But the human results won't be very enjoyable.
Yes, I know.
It is very hard to get people past John 3:16; there is more, so much more. The working power of God through the believer.
We know what Jesus did, why He did it and who did it to Him.
Remember some of those that followed with Him, were also standing in the crowd screaming crucify Him, as well.
Preachers keep pointing to an empty cross; for He is risen.
That is our cross to bare now.
Jesus died for the world's sins.
Now, are we willing to die for Christ? It is the will of God. Jesus said, if anyone come after me, let him deny himself, pick up his cross and follow me.
To live is Christ, to die (in Him, by Him, for Him) is gain.
We want the mansion He promised, but no one wants to go through the persecution for His name sake... (the rapture theory)
He asked me one day, "would you die for me?"
I pondered this in my heart. He did it for me, I studied the scriptures in my mind.
I said, "yes, my Lord, it would be an honor."
Immediately, standing before me, I saw a black sleeve and a gun was in the hand, and I was shot through the heart at point blank range.
The spiritual blow sent me backwards in the physical.
I was gasping for air, holding my chest; I could not breath! I had no fear.
After three hard gasps, breathing was restored to me whole.
I was indeed baptized in the Holy Ghost. Praise God for it. And my heart was set on fire for God.

It is a supernatural baptism; it happens in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, we are caught up with God and changed. Eternal Life happens.

I can only testify to what I have seen, heard, and felt.

All praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen
 
The Holy Spirit was only given under the Old Testament temporarily to empower them for a specific mission. John the Baptist who confessed Jesus to be the Lamb of God by the Holy Spirit later while in prison began to doubt whether Jesus really was the messiah. The Holy Spirit today as Jesus tells us will never leave us and will abide with us forever.
Correct, my brother.
And God is the same yesterday, today and forever.
He continues to come "upon" some people today, while others have the "indwelling" Holy Spirit.
Ye shall know them by their fruits.

All praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen
 
Valid point but too many do not study to seek understanding, you have.
Greetings in the Lord,
Nor do I study to seek understanding.
Lean not to thine own understanding. Only God can lift the dark veil.
I study to show myself approved, having the seal of God, the Holy Spirit of promise. Praise God for it;
If one lacks wisdom, let him ask God, nothing doubting and He will give it to you.
Bless God, he is worthy.

All praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen
 
Many believe he was under the old covenant. Jesus has not yet ascended to heaven. ( That was 43 days later )
Jesus hadn't yet sprinkled his blood on the mercy seat in Temple in heaven.

John 2:19; Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
Acts 1:3; To these He also presented Himself alive after His suffering, by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days and speaking of the things concerning the kingdom of God.

John 7:39; But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

John 20:17 ; Jesus *said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'"

Heb 8:2; a minister in the sanctuary and in the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, not man.

Heb 9:11; But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
Heb 9:21; And in the same way he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood.
Heb 9:22; And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
Heb 9:23; Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24; For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;
Heb 9:25; nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own.

Heb 12:24; and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.
He took responsibility n he knew he was guilty n he new Yshua was not..
Many don't take responsibility for their wrongs instead they pass the blame or deny their guilt just like it was in the garden

In that day,’ says the LORD of hosts, ‘the peg that is fastened in the secure place will be removed and be cut down and fall, and the burden that was on it will be cut off; for the LORD has spoken.’ ”

Twistie :broken_heart:
 
But in the near future their WILL BE someone to "Lead", But the human results won't be very enjoyable.
I was not even talking, going to Jesus. I ment anyone with humility. Because to be a true follower of Jesus and become a deciple means to humble yourself before the Lord, and to do the will of the Lord and not your own will
 
The Holy Spirit was only given under the Old Testament temporarily to empower them for a specific mission. John the Baptist who confessed Jesus to be the Lamb of God by the Holy Spirit later while in prison began to doubt whether Jesus really was the messiah. The Holy Spirit today as Jesus tells us will never leave us and will abide with us forever.
There are not many who believe or even understand what you just said about the Holy Spirit in the Old Testiment. Very good
 
Correct, my brother.
And God is the same yesterday, today and forever.
He continues to come "upon" some people today, while others have the "indwelling" Holy Spirit.
Ye shall know them by their fruits.

All praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen
Exactly
 
There will be an outpouring of the Holy Spirit immediately after the Great Day of the Lord ( the Sixth Seal) let us hope mankind will have humble leaders in those days.
 
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