Can One Pray in the Spirit Without Speaking in Tongues?

[Hitch]

Aside from that, you really cannot prove "tongues" on a forum like this. Having said that, tongues is "popular" among certain denominations because people take it out of its place and use it as a social status within their congregations - and while that is wrong and a huge problem in the church today, tongues itself is not only Biblical, but when used in the way that God gave it to be used, it can propel a person in spiritual things.

Slaughtering animals for sin offerings is also biblical.

 

[Hitch]

Aside from that, I didn't even start addressing tongues at all. By the way you address the issue, it is obvious that you don't know what you are talking about. My guess is, you not only have never spoken in tongues, but neither have you been baptized in the Spirit.

Hey good one you're 100% . Wrong . But you're showing the reliability of your fabled spiritual insight.

Nice try, but you basically lied on a public forum and got caught.

Care to explain this falsehood ? I love gymnastics so I cant wait to see how you tumble through this whopper. I turned your Pharisee line back on you and it fits too well , and I think thats really your trouble .

 

[Hitch]

Waggles said:
A Pentecostal Christian who is able to pray in tongues fervently fully understands this.


What about the Modalists ? do they pray 'in the Spirit' ?

 

[Shaolin]

Nice try, but you basically lied on a public forum and got caught.

Care to explain this falsehood ? I love gymnastics so I cant wait to see how you tumble through this whopper. I turned your Pharisee line back on you and it fits too well , and I think thats really your trouble .

Then I'll deal with your other guesses later.

LOL! What a teenager! No, you lied. You changed what I said, that is a lie, deception. Your colors are beginning to show brighter and brighter...

As for your pathetic attempt at turning my Pharisee line back upon me, that's another grasping at straws like a young Padawan would do. Nice try, but that didn't work either.

Firstly, that comment was not directed at you, but since you owned it through your obvious troubled mindset over the comment, then I guess it sticks.
Secondly...well...since you can't seem to get over yourself, there's no reason to go there.

Again, have a nice day.

 

[Shaolin]

Those who are cessationists, like the age-old false teacher calvin, are such because they have never experienced any of the spiritual gifts themselves...personally. They are too busy walking and arguing in and out of the flesh to actually meet with God face to face.

LOL In 500 years people will still be reading Calvin, no one will know or care who John Hagee or Paul Crouch were even though they spoke to literally multiplied millions more than Calvin or any Reformer.

Like I have said many times, whenever God moves through a man, satan is right there doing his best to raise up a man to tear down what God is doing. Luther was God's man...calvin was satan's man. Precious little (if anything) that came from calvin is truth. Calvinism is a very meticulously designed false religion, nonetheless than JW's or Mormons. And lest you get too carried away, I can demonstrate everything that I say with a complete Biblical hermeneutic...something I dare say that you have never heard of...

 

[Hitch]

LOL! What a teenager! No, you lied. You changed what I said, that is a lie, deception. Your colors are beginning to show brighter and brighter...

As for your pathetic attempt at turning my Pharisee line back upon me, that's another grasping at straws like a young Padawan would do. Nice try, but that didn't work either.

Firstly, that comment was not directed at you, but since you owned it through your obvious troubled mindset over the comment, then I guess it sticks.
Secondly...well...since you can't seem to get over yourself, there's no reason to go there.

Again, have a nice day.

Lets see.....

He was NOT in the Spirit ? He here refers to Christ . You should have known that.

People say fleshly prayers all the time...especially those who think they are more holy than others because they pray a lot...modern day Pharisees.

Like I said 'He' refers to Christ, as to this comment , People say fleshly prayers all the time...especially those who think they are more holy than others because they pray in tongues ...modern day Pharisees.

Yawn , kind of odd then to place both lines so close together. I dont think most people would attempt a deception that way . You have pretty well confirmed what I said, you cant stand that it fits so well.

Im still waiting for you to post something that stands up, I doubt you'll make it.

 

[Hitch]

Like I have said many times, whenever God moves through a man, satan is right there doing his best to raise up a man to tear down what God is doing. Luther was God's man...calvin was satan's man. Precious little (if anything) that came from calvin is truth. Calvinism is a very meticulously designed false religion, nonetheless than JW's or Mormons. And lest you get too carried away, I can demonstrate everything that I say with a complete Biblical hermeneutic...something I dare say that you have never heard of...

LMAO. Take a hint, it is NOT the Spirit that guides you in your silly accusations, not the Holy Spirit anyway.

 

[Shaolin]

LMAO. Take a hint, it is NOT the Spirit that guides you in your silly accusations, not the Holy Spirit anyway.

Rrrriiiiiight... You can't make someone who willingly clings to false doctrine ever see the light. Like I said, I can demonstrate what I said with a complete Biblical hermeneutic, but you let that go right over your silly little head. The Holy Spirit does not teach, nor back up, any calvinist slant upon His Word. To think that calvinism is legitimate, is to demonstrate oneself brain washed with nonsense.

Truth seekers seek the truth and will lay aside their bias in order to find that truth; bias defenders only defend their bias, even when it is wrong.

 

[Hitch]

Rrrriiiiiight... You can't make someone who willingly clings to false doctrine ever see the light. Like I said, I can demonstrate what I said with a complete Biblical hermeneutic, but you let that go right over your silly little head. The Holy Spirit does not teach, nor back up, any calvinist slant upon His Word. To think that calvinism is legitimate, is to demonstrate oneself brain washed with nonsense.

Truth seekers seek the truth and will lay aside their bias in order to find that truth; bias defenders only defend their bias, even when it is wrong.

You need to hold this up to a mirror:

Truth seekers seek the truth and will lay aside their bias in order to find that truth; bias defenders only defend their bias, even when it is wrong.

 

[PloughBoy]

The Title Thread is "Can One Pray in the Spirit Without Speaking in Tongues?"

Yep, especially, if that person don't have a have A TONGUE IN HIS MOUTH. or a Voice box. or know how to make sounds. Yes, i think it is possible.
Note: unless you can speak in "tongues" will hand signs.
Now have you learn anything today? Just like the smart ones, who had to fly to the moon to find out it is only light. that rules the night.

And some people, world wide don't have clean water to drink. or good food. But they can fly to moon and spend more money to see if they can see on the other side of the universe. and look at another light. But they are smart right. They cannot even fly water into the in dry places here on earth. or convert ocean water into drinking water for the thirsty, Jesus is going to put a halt to "gates" Bozo, and all the rest of the "bozo's" the day of the million houses and Bugatti's are coming to a close, and big swing hips Beyonce's and "Bikinis" wear christians are going out of Business, Oh yea, they are going to Protest against the " NEW KING' but little do they know He is going swing That "IRON ROD" because His FATHER told HIM to do it! And he does not have a "WIFE" but many think HE does.

You have never seen a King like this One. and He ain't going to be kissing babies. Like those "Michelangelo's" you been looking at.

 

[Keithw]

That's my question

The speaking in tongues was speaking foreign languages so the ones from other countries could understand what they were saying. It was not gibberish as some try to say it is. Read the account. They were speaking to other humans. If one walked up to you and started talking in Gibberish you would get away as fast as you could. Those were having conversations proving it was not gibberish. Any teacher saying it was-Run from them.

 

[Waggles]

The speaking in tongues was speaking foreign languages so the ones from other countries could understand what they were saying. It was not gibberish as some try to say it is. Read the account. They were speaking to other humans. If one walked up to you and started talking in Gibberish you would get away as fast as you could. Those were having conversations proving it was not gibberish. Any teacher saying it was-Run from them.

Complete nonsense and a typical cessationist claim.
Three gifts of the Holy Spirit operate in our Pentecostal church - tongues followed by interpretation and then prophecy.
All done decently and in order according to 1Corinthians 14.
And the gift of tongues is not foreign languages, but akin to speaking in tongues - praying in the Holy Spirit.

 

[Born Again 2004]

The Title Thread is "Can One Pray in the Spirit Without Speaking in Tongues?"

Yep, especially, if that person don't have a have A TONGUE IN HIS MOUTH. or a Voice box. or know how to make sounds. Yes, i think it is possible.
Note: unless you can speak in "tongues" will hand signs.
Now have you learn anything today? Just like the smart ones, who had to fly to the moon to find out it is only light. that rules the night.

And some people, world wide don't have clean water to drink. or good food. But they can fly to moon and spend more money to see if they can see on the other side of the universe. and look at another light. But they are smart right. They cannot even fly water into the in dry places here on earth. or convert ocean water into drinking water for the thirsty, Jesus is going to put a halt to "gates" Bozo, and all the rest of the "bozo's" the day of the million houses and Bugatti's are coming to a close, and big swing hips Beyonce's and "Bikinis" wear christians are going out of Business, Oh yea, they are going to Protest against the " NEW KING' but little do they know He is going swing That "IRON ROD" because His FATHER told HIM to do it! And he does not have a "WIFE" but many think HE does.

You have never seen a King like this One. and He ain't going to be kissing babies. Like those "Michelangelo's" you been looking at.

 

[Keithw]

Complete nonsense and a typical cessationist claim.
Three gifts of the Holy Spirit operate in our Pentecostal church - tongues followed by interpretation and then prophecy.
All done decently and in order according to 1Corinthians 14.
And the gift of tongues is not foreign languages, but akin to speaking in tongues - praying in the Holy Spirit.

You better re read the account in the bible. It said many foreigners were there, so to speak the good news to them, the holy spirit had them speak in foreign languages, it was called speaking in tongues. It was not mumbo jumbo. They would have ran the other way if someone came up to them and did that, Can you use reasoning?

 

[PloughBoy]

You better re read the account in the bible. It said many foreigners were there, so to speak the good news to them, the holy spirit had them speak in foreign languages, it was called speaking in tongues. It was not mumbo jumbo. They would have ran the other way if someone came up to them and did that, Can you use reasoning?

" the holy spirit had them speak in foreign languages, it was called speaking in [languages] tongues. It was not mumbo jumbo." Can you use reasoning.

 

[Born Again 2004]

You better re read the account in the bible. It said many foreigners were there, so to speak the good news to them, the holy spirit had them speak in foreign languages, it was called speaking in tongues. It was not mumbo jumbo. They would have ran the other way if someone came up to them and did that, Can you use reasoning?

Albeit tounges is a real gift from God but St. Paul preferred we (believers of course) do more prophesying instead.
And, as far as, " Praying in the Spirit" goes: we , who are believers, are infused with the Holy Spirit, and He said He would always intercede for us when praying.
So, when we pray isn't that the same as praying in the Spirit?

 

[Keithw]

Albeit tounges is a real gift from God but St. Paul preferred we (believers of course) do more prophesying instead.
And, as far as, " Praying in the Spirit" goes: we , who are believers, are infused with the Holy Spirit, and He said He would always intercede for us when praying.
So, when we pray isn't that the same as praying in the Spirit?

Its fact. If those back then walked up to people they did not know and started speaking mumbo jumbo-those would have ran away thinking they were absolutely insane. Not something the real Jesus would have them do. It was foreign language they were speaking. One must believe in the real Jesus otherwise they get nothing. The real Jesus who teaches everyone he has a God( John 20:17, Rev 3;12)-- so its the adversary who provides for those with a fake Jesus.

 

[Waggles]

it was called speaking in tongues. It was not mumbo jumbo.

It was and is not "mumbo jumbo"
You need to read your NT with care for the church: the saints: the elect: the gospel: the faith of believers: - are of ONE doctrine - Pentecostal.

1Cor 14:26 What is it then, brethren? When ye come together, each hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a revelation, hath a tongue, hath an interpretation. Let all things be unto edifying.
14:27 If any speaketh in a tongue, let it be by two, or at the most three, and in turn; and let one interpret:
14:28 but if there be no interpreter, let him be silent in church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
14:29 And let prophets speak by two or three, and let the others discern.

And this we do.

 

[Keithw]

It was and is not "mumbo jumbo"
You need to read your NT with care for the church: the saints: the elect: the gospel: the faith of believers: - are of ONE doctrine - Pentecostal.

1Cor 14:26 What is it then, brethren? When ye come together, each hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a revelation, hath a tongue, hath an interpretation. Let all things be unto edifying.
14:27 If any speaketh in a tongue, let it be by two, or at the most three, and in turn; and let one interpret:
14:28 but if there be no interpreter, let him be silent in church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
14:29 And let prophets speak by two or three, and let the others discern.

And this we do.

Its a guarantee it was a foreign language they were speaking.

 

[Waggles]

So, when we pray isn't that the same as praying in the Spirit?

No
1Cor 14:2 For who speaketh in a tongue speaketh not to men, but to God; for no one heareth; but in spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1Cor 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding [mind] is unfruitful.
14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.