Can Satan hear (read) our thoughts?

[joestue]

I'm pretty sure the spiritual realm is far more complicated than our simplistic argument of "can satan read your thoughts"

 

[Mark S]

I have heard many times he cannot.
How then can he tempt?
If he does not know i am hard up for money,how can he tempt me to rob a bank?

Revelation 2:23 KJV
23) And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

In saying "shall know that I am he which searches the reins and hearts", it only serves to identify the speaker if in fact He is the only one who can, so no, the devil cannot read your mind, is what I think.

Much love!

 

[hopefulson]

Revelation 2:23 KJV
23) And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

In saying "shall know that I am he which searches the reins and hearts", it only serves to identify the speaker if in fact He is the only one who can, so no, the devil cannot read your mind, is what I think.

Much love!

Just a point, it is implied scripturally that the devil and the spirits with him know us. They knew Jesus, they knew Paul , they knew Judas Iscariot. They know when those who confront them have not the authority or the purity or power to cast them out. A more relevant and important question is like the angels guarding us do we have a personal devil? They have access to the reality of our inner thoughts of temptations that are personal and unique to every one of us. So the danger is their influence within and without. This is a dangerous and slithery foe . In his tool box of corruption are the wedges of compromise and the choices of ego along with the attractions of pleasure. The Lord is near to coming.

 

[Mark S]

Just a point, it is implied scripturally that the devil and the spirits with him know us.

Where do you see that implied in Scripture? I can't think of a place, please let me know.

Much love!

 

[joestue]

In saying "shall know that I am he which searches the reins and hearts", it only serves to identify the speaker if in fact He is the only one who can, so no, the devil cannot read your mind, is what I think.

God cannot be tempted with evil, and he tempts no one.

So if the devil doesnt know my desires, who does?

 

[hopefulson]

Where do you see that implied in Scripture? I can't think of a place, please let me know.

Much love!

Hi Mark
I will explain what I am thinking and why a bit latter let me share this for know.

Reconciling One’s Self To The Fact Of Sin​

BY OSWALD CHAMBERS​

This is your hour, and the power of darkness. — Luke 22:53

53 When I was with you day after day in the temple [[a] enclosure], you did not stretch forth [your] hands against Me. But this is your hour—and the power [which] darkness [gives you has its way].




It is not being reconciled to the fact of sin that produces all the disasters in life. You may talk about the nobility of human nature, but there is something in human nature which will laugh in the face of every ideal you have. If you refuse to agree with the fact that there is vice and self-seeking, something downright spiteful and wrong in human beings, instead of reconciling yourself to it, when it strikes your life, you will compromise with it and say it is of no use to battle against it. Have you made allowance for this hour and the power of darkness, or do you take a recognition of yourself that misses out sin? In your bodily relationships and friendships do you reconcile yourself to the fact of sin? If not, you will be caught round the next corner and you will compromise with it. If you reconcile yourself to the fact of sin, you will realise the danger at once — “Yes, I see what that would mean.” The recognition of sin does not destroy the basis of friendship; it establishes a mutual regard for the fact that the basis of life is tragic. Always beware of an estimate of life which does not recognise the fact that there is sin.
Jesus Christ never trusted human nature, yet He was never cynical, never suspicious, because He trusted absolutely in what He could do for human nature. The pure man or woman, not the innocent, is the safeguarded man or woman. You are never safe with an innocent man or woman. Men and women have no business to be innocent; God demands that they be pure and virtuous. Innocence is the characteristic of a child; it is a blameworthy thing for a man or woman not to be reconciled to the fact of sin.

WISDOM FROM OSWALD
There is no allowance whatever in the New Testament for the man who says he is saved by grace but who does not produce the graceful goods. Jesus Christ by His Redemption can make our actual life in keeping with our religious profession.

 

[hopefulson]

Just a point, it is implied scripturally that the devil and the spirits with him know us. They knew Jesus, they knew Paul , they knew Judas Iscariot. They know when those who confront them have not the authority or the purity or power to cast them out. A more relevant and important question is like the angels guarding us do we have a personal devil? They have access to the reality of our inner thoughts of temptations that are personal and unique to every one of us. So the danger is their influence within and without. This is a dangerous and slithery foe . In his tool box of corruption are the wedges of compromise and the choices of ego along with the attractions of pleasure. The Lord is near to coming.

Somewhere in Acts there was a confrontation between a possessed individual and some members of the Jewish religious sect perhaps Pharisees. They were in process of attempting to cast the demon out in the name of Jesus and in the power of Paul. The demon remarked that Jesus he knew and Paul he knew but who were they supposed to be and the demon proceeded to beat them badly. The demon knew they were of no authority. The scripture states in conflict with darkness the power and substance of the saint is present in the saints Faith discernably by the enemy. Jesus alludes to the same when he states that if the watchman knew when the thief would break in he would have been on his guard and protected his goods. This is an obvious reference to being on your guard protecting against the ravages of sin and the traps of temptation. The prize is our souls the very thing God( The Great I Am ) has paid for with The Blood and Life of His Son.

 

[MedicBravo]

He was the highest created being.
He is the best at lying, deception, manipulation, etc.
Hear thoughts? Nah. More accurately, he knows what people are more susceptible to and how to use the above and more to cause people to sin and reject God.

 

[Mark S]

God cannot be tempted with evil, and he tempts no one.

So if the devil doesnt know my desires, who does?

I imagine he knows generalities about people, and can see what you do. Of course, when we say, "the devil", I expect we are speaking in generalities ourselves, since Satan is not omnipresent, and I question whether or not he'd give a moment's time on me, myself.

I'm thinking the more powerful echelons of angelic creatures are more involved with heads of state, and CEO's of Blackrock and Vanguard and so on. Even so I think there are plenty of fallen angels, and demons, that want to mess with us.

We have a residual fleshiness in us, with all it's perverse lusts from before, which we are being trained to take control of. I think there is a lot of "The devil made me do it" when the reality is that our own flesh is sufficient to get us into trouble.

All of this notwithstanding, I'm still of the mind that only God searches our hearts and minds. The devil, like everyone else, has to just watch, observe us. And that can still be enough for him to really mess with our heads, putting temptations in front of us.

Much love!

 

[hopefulson]

God cannot be tempted with evil, and he tempts no one.

So if the devil doesnt know my desires, who does?

Excellent remark with sound reasoning contained in it. Thank You. But just an additional thought there are many ways to determine a persons desires as well as how far they may be willing to go to obtain them.

 

[Garee]

God cannot be tempted with evil, and he tempts no one.

So if the devil doesnt know my desires, who does?

One thing ,Satan the legion. . ( many gods in the likeness of man) false apostles false prophecy the spirit of lies "false prophecy."

Satan is not subject to the living word of God he denies its authority having no understanding (faith) .

He has no idea what saving grace is .

His goal murder mankind . A murderer from the beginning, beginning with born again Able the prophet, martyr

The two building block of false pride .Lust of the eye lust of the flesh . . . . . the fall of mankind .

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Each man is temped by his own evil desire to leave God out of our decision making.

Cell phone . . . . Selfies on the rise . got to love techknowledgy Goout to the whole word with the gospel Many say it is evil Not knowing nothing of its self is evil, save the evil one "Legion"

Zoom. . . face to face. . then the end comes .

When he comes will he find faith ?(the unseen things of God ?)

 

[backNforth]

Can Satan hear (read) our thoughts?

It's the height of spiritual ignorance to believe that what one "thinks" is private, but what one "does" is public. The mind is not some sacrosanct safe spot; it is open-source, no firewall, completely "hackable" - especially in the spiritual realm.

Many scriptures warn us to take heed what we hear (Mark 4:24); to set no wicked thing before our eyes (Psalm 101:3); and that Satan has blinded the minds of unbelievers (2 Cor. 4:4), which is why it's so important to take all thoughts captive to Christ (2 Cor. 10:5), renewing and transforming our mind in Christ (Romans 12:2). The carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. (Romans 8:7)

If our thoughts were sealed from Satan, God would not have given us these admonitions.

 

[MedicBravo]

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It's the height of spiritual ignorance to believe that what one "thinks" is private, but what one "does" is public. The mind is not some sacrosanct safe spot; it is open-source, no firewall, completely "hackable" - especially in the spiritual realm.

Many scriptures warn us to take heed what we hear (Mark 4:24); to set no wicked thing before our eyes (Psalm 101:3); and that Satan has blinded the minds of unbelievers (2 Cor. 4:4), which is why it's so important to take all thoughts captive to Christ (2 Cor. 10:5), renewing and transforming our mind in Christ (Romans 12:2). The carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. (Romans 8:7)

If our thoughts were sealed from Satan, God would not have given us these admonitions.

Satan is not all-knowing.
It's likely he was one of the first angels created so he would know how to get as after he fell more than anyone.
The demons know us very well and which sins we are more prone to want.

 

[hopefulson]

Satan is not all-knowing.
It's likely he was one of the first angels created so he would know how to get as after he fell more than anyone.
The demons know us very well and which sins we are more prone to want.

I would say that Backnforth is closer to relevancy. It is a war. The issue of whether Satan can read our thoughts or not is less relevant then how he can make inroads into our person. The rule is Satan can do NOTHING we do not give him permission ourselves for him to do within us. Doctrine, theology, or any type of fellowship are not instruments of defense. The rule in the beatitudes is the Love of Love Himself is the invincible armor and the foundation of all law and scripture. This being the paraphrasing of the very First Commandment and fear of The Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Standing on any ground that falls short of this will bring a heart with it in possession of troubling questions where Peace is absent. There is a lot more to this but I have to stop here. God Bless all and inspire your hearts to it's ultimate depth. And the pure of heart will see God. I pray that everyone get there and enjoy the beauty.

 

[joestue]

It's the height of spiritual ignorance to believe that what one "thinks" is private, but what one "does" is public. The mind is not some sacrosanct safe spot; it is open-source, no firewall, completely "hackable" - especially in the spiritual realm.

Im not sure if its because im a christian or not, but i have no access to any privileged information from other people unless they consented or desired to give that information to me.

Even just today 20 minutes before a friend called me, I was spontaneously thinking of him and thought to call him to apologize for not sending him a bill, but then i didn't because its saturday at 3pm.
Much of my wages is word of mouth and i bet if i were to pray every morning for an hour i could make 3 times as much money, simply on people randomly thinking to call me for help.

Sometimes i can feel other christians who want to talk to me about spiritual matters. Sometimes i call them first but most of the time i don't and we coincidentally meet in public spaces, or they call me. Im not good about initiating, and in one case i've been waiting for 6 years for an opportunity for a natural communication pathway to open regarding a fairly important matter.

But i have no evidence that anyone has successfully read my mind, except on two occasions in 12 years.

That being said, if i wanted to cheat on my wife, i would have to open the door spiritually to even be able to find a woman willing to do so, unless i were to lie about being married, but even that would require more effort!

And i have found women attracted to me but the natural firewall of "oh, you're married" stops their desires cold. I have to put effort into opening that door.


I find the same is the case for every other temptation. Not only do you have to open the door but you have to put effort into encouraging the other to open the door.

 

[hopefulson]

Im not sure if its because im a christian or not, but i have no access to any privileged information from other people unless they consented or desired to give that information to me.

Even just today 20 minutes before a friend called me, I was spontaneously thinking of him and thought to call him to apologize for not sending him a bill, but then i didn't because its saturday at 3pm.
Much of my wages is word of mouth and i bet if i were to pray every morning for an hour i could make 3 times as much money, simply on people randomly thinking to call me for help.

Sometimes i can feel other christians who want to talk to me about spiritual matters. Sometimes i call them first but most of the time i don't and we coincidentally meet in public spaces, or they call me. Im not good about initiating, and in one case i've been waiting for 6 years for an opportunity for a natural communication pathway to open regarding a fairly important matter.

But i have no evidence that anyone has successfully read my mind, except on two occasions in 12 years.

That being said, if i wanted to cheat on my wife, i would have to open the door spiritually to even be able to find a woman willing to do so, unless i were to lie about being married, but even that would require more effort!

And i have found women attracted to me but the natural firewall of "oh, you're married" stops their desires cold. I have to put effort into opening that door.


I find the same is the case for every other temptation. Not only do you have to open the door but you have to put effort into encouraging the other to open the door.

I think that was well considered by you. Thank You very much for sharing.

 

[backNforth]

Satan is not all-knowing.

That comment is a non-sequitur. The Creator's omniscience and any of creation's mere "all-knowing" are not synonymous.

You may not know what I'm thinking, but the higher beings of the spiritual realm know. This is why we must continually take all the non-spiritual stuff (like cognition, holding "secrets", etc.) captive to Christ, lest it proceed to sin.

the invincible armor and the foundation of all law and scripture. This being the paraphrasing of the very First Commandment and fear of The Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Standing on any ground that falls short of this will bring a heart with it in possession of troubling questions where Peace is absent.

Bingo.

...if i wanted to cheat on my wife, i would have to open the door spiritually to even be able to find a woman willing to do so, unless i were to lie about being married, but even that would require more effort!

If you desire to cheat on your wife, you've already done it. The physical act merely follows the spiritual reality.

...you have to put effort into encouraging the other to open the door

IOW, it is the act of directing your free will in a given direction (whether for bad or for good) that opens the respective door... Acting out of the deed is after-the-fact.

Remember that we're not to compare ourselves to other men (ala "he can't read my mind, so I'm good to go"), but to Christ.

 

[joestue]

I think that was well considered by you. Thank You very much for sharing.

Thanks.

 

[joestue]

IOW, it is the act of directing your free will in a given direction (whether for bad or for good) that opens the respective door... Acting out of the deed is after-the-fact.

The spiritual folks call this manifesting.

Or "the universe answering my desires"

 

[backNforth]

The spiritual folks call this manifesting.

As a believer, are you not one of the "spiritual folks"?

If you are a believer (i.e. a follower of Jesus Christ), then you know that light makes manifest the darkness (Eph. 5:13). I have walked into a "bible study" where a person there began manifesting in front of me (e.g. raging, frothing at the mouth, spitting), as his spirit recognized my Spirit. And all this without me saying anything or drawing any attention to myself. So why doesn't every believer experience this or see this? Because the "believer" may not be a true believer, and/or he is walking in unrighteousness or degrees of unbelief. Meanwhile, the devils discern all of the spiritual dynamics of the parties involved! So sanctification is crucial to being able to walk effectively in our calling, and since that takes work, it's not popular.

Or "the universe answering my desires"

Ok, now we're getting into New Age drivel... a declension, a step down, from the One True Authority.

Let's not blend the two together, as a little leaven leavens the whole lump. Satan does NOT want you walking in the One True Authority.