There is no agreeing to disagree. You dodge and pick the lines you read and digest. "There are none so blind as those who will not see."
As i said "We'll have to agree to disagree", i feel exactly the same way about you that you do about me, to discuss you have to have at least some common ground, but i feel like our discussion is similar to one between a member of the Ku Klux Klan and a BLM supporter, .... sadly, it never fails to amaze me how 2 people, both claiming to follow Christ can have such differing views on what it means to be a Christian
For the umpteenth time, you are cherry picking that line and clearly completely and utterly unteachable.
There is a very clear and ''duh'' world of difference between:
1. Mortal and venial sinners.
2. Repentant and unrepentant Christians.
In the OT in Hades, there was a separation of sinner and sinner. When you can grasp that we can discuss further.
As i say, i feel exactly the same way about you, but could you answer my question for the "umpteenth time", Christ told the story of 2 men that went into the temple to pray, a Pharisee and a Publican, the Publican was assured of his own righteousness before God, the Pharisee was only too aware of what a wretched Soul he was, who do you most identify with?, ........ and i will ask this question again for the umpteenth time, "How do you know that youre even a Christian and not one of the "many" that claim to be Christians but whom Christ will disown saying " i know you not", because ive got to say to me youre coming across as someone who's so assured of their righteousness, so assured of the truth of their convictions, when in effect NONE of us know either for sure, for that is Gods prerogative alone.
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Every single person that I have previously debated on the 'don't judge / cast first stone' line was guilty of approving of their own and or others sexual sins. The terrifying reality for you is that you will be 100% guilty of stumbling those in sexual sin. God hates the sexual sins of the LGBTQ++ community at the maximum level. It is mortal sin.
Well heres the first one then that didnt, just out of interest how many people have you debated with on the " 'don't judge / cast first stone' line"?, I am only too well aware of my own sexual sins, of the number of times ive looked on a woman with lust in my heart , of the evil thoughts that permeate from my sinful heart, we are ALL guilty of them and the LGBT community is no different, we are ALL guilty of sexual and so many other sins, and perhaps you should look at the log of sin in your own eye so you can see clearly to remove the speck thats in others you are so keen to condemn . I know there are certain "Christians" who see the sins of the LGBTQ community as warranting their most venomous disapproval, now i'm not saying that its not a sin, God knows we ALL sin, but it never fails to amaze me that this "Mortal Sin" was never once mentioned by Christ in the Gospels, now you'd have thought that something so abhorent to him would have been mentioned at least once, but no, nothing, however what is mentioned and conveniently overlooked by so many Christians, is Christs Abhorence of Wealth and Riches and those that possess them , of the lack of Compassion and Justice by those that profess to follow him and the hypocrisy of those that overlook their own mortal sins but are only too keen to condemn others,
CK was i believe a very rich man, i even saw him advertising Gold on one of his podcasts, on the admittedly limited videos i've seen of him Compassion and Justice didnt seem to be high on his agenda but Condemnation and pointing the finger at others was a common theme, this is why i asked right at the start of this discourse for others to show me their "best" clips of CK as i wanted to get a more complete picture of the man, but for what ever reason that wasn't forthcoming.
And God hates ALL sin with Christ emphasising the sins of Wealth and Riches, Hypocrisy and a lack of Compassion as worthy of the greatest punishment. You would do well to heed this.
Now you may say well, all unrepentant sinners go to hell. Like many Christians here will say too. But I beg you to use the grey matter between your ears and grasp the obvious. If someone continues in mortal sin, you are closer to a hard heart / being sold out to a love what is evil / point of no return over any venial sinner. You are guilty of pushing sinners down a steep slope, straight into hell.
You need to read and meditate on Matt 18:6 If anyone causes one of these little ones those who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
The problem is , to repent , you have to first of all recognise that what you're doing is in fact a sin, i have had so many conversations over the last 30 years with Christians, those that profess to follow Christ, about the incompatibility of the possession of great wealth and living a life of relative comfort in a world of such abject poverty, suffering, death and destruction, of the fact that our lives are built upon the oppression and exploitation of others and that we live in societies that are destroying Gods creation for material gain.
Few want to recognise that they are "living in sin", they want to see themselves as "good" Christians following Christs teachings, whereas in fact we are ALL wretched sinners living lives of Selfishness, lust and greed.
So yes, i understand the reality of my sinful life, i acknowledge that i continue in "mortal sin", but i try, thats the best i can say, to Love my neighbour as myself , treat others as i would want to be treated, to act with Justice, to Love Mercy and above all, to walk Humbly with my God, for i know just how much i'm in need of his mercy and forgiveness.
As for Christs words in Matthew 18:6, yes i am guilty of harming those little ones that believe in Christ, i have too often turned away when i see the starving children, those enduring hardship and abuse trying just to survive, those enduring the horrors of war and violence, turned away because it would cost me too much, both financially and emotionally to open my heart fully to them as Christ asks me to do, so again, and how many times do i have to say this, I am a wretched sinner, bereft of all goodness, but i try to do better, i try to give more of myself, more of my time, more of my money and more of my Love and compassion, but i know just how far i fall short between what i could do and what i actually do.
But let me ask you a question, you seem to have placed your Faith with Tump and his MAGA sect, calling him a "Good President" and calling the Democrats "Evil and untrustworthy", so how many of "those little ones that believe in Christ" do you think Trump has caused to "stumble" with his massive cuts to Overseas Aid which according to reports will cost in the region of 14 million lives, and how many of those Little ones that believe in Christ will "stumble" because of his cuts to SNAP benefits and Health provision for the poorest in the US, and what of Trumps support and massive provision of weapons to the Israeli military enabling the Genocide of Palestinians, how many little ones there will be forced to "stumble", and what do you think Christ will say to those that support the man who has implemented these policies, perhaps here we have an example of those to whom Christ will say " i know you not, depart from me you workers of iniquity" "
. Not too much discussion though as there is a very real space where light needs to remove darkness. In many wars with pagans it was a case of either 'we do it' or wait on God to 'do it' with plagues, floods, fire and brimstone.
