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@Brother-Paul -- yes, the church is Both the body of born-again believers AND the building they meet In. Or outside on the lawn or hill or where ever.


The True Church is the ekklesia, born again believers worldwide.

The building being called the church misleads people, the RCC were the ones who called the building the church, using the word, kuriakon, which is not in scripture

Your comment regarding 'born again' but not born-again souls. Are you sure you're not meaning to say 'born -- but not born-again' people.

Scripture term for 'born-again', is when we become new creations.

John 3:1-8 (NKJV)
1 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, "Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him."
3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
4 Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

When we have repented, been baptised in the spirit and water, when we have accepted Jesus as our saviour, His spirit is in us, we are in Christ, Christ is in us.


Unfortunately Not all denominations Do teach the Word of God As such. Some Do allow things to be taught / practiced that Aren't Scriptural.

And there Are lots of churches that teach / allow 'good works' to determine 'salvation'. IF you join a church And give financially And do -- whatever -- of Course you're welcome. And as a result -- the person Does 'feel' safe / saved by going to that particular denominations' church.

Yes, absolutely -- we Do need to be reading God's Word -- find out what It says -- follow it. Share it with others. And those who Are born-again believers Need to be sharing the Gospel unto salvation with everyone. Some will listen and accept and some won't - some at the first time of hearing -- and some 'after a while'.

Back at the time of the early church , there were no denominations -- either you followed Jesus Christ's teachings or you Didn't.

True there were no denominations, they are the result of the reformation, which came about, as we know, due to errors in the RCC.

The question was is the church today like the early church?

The early church started by the brethren coming together in each others homes, they would read Scripture together, pray together, sing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, and the observance of the sacraments; all of these were derived from the example and command of Jesus Himself.
ALL who believed were together and had all things common.

Acts 2:39-47 (NKJV)
39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."
40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation."
41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.
42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers.
43 Then fear came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles.

44 Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common,
45 and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.
46 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart,
47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.


The groups that Do follow God's Word DO feel that 'they' have 'it' right. The first time I read the Bible through completely -- I could see in the New Testament how / where various churches got their teachings From. I can understand how various churches get 'hung up' on various areas of Scripture. The book of Acts especially. But I'm not getting into That here.

The 'saved church' is the Universal body of Christ. The local church is the group of believers from a particular town.


The RCC think they are right, so does the Church of England and elsewhere, so do the Methodist, the Baptist's the URC's etc.

If you talk to any of them, they all profess to be right in all they do, their ways, their practices, they all profess to be scripture based, Gospel believing, but they all go their different ways, at Easter, at Christmas and throughout the churches year.

Acts 2:44-47
44 Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common,
45 and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.
46 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart,
47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.

The only point I am making is do we ever ask what was the early church like, are we today doing things differently?

Many of us, me included, seem quick to say the RCC is wrong in this or that, but has the church today, picked up/inherited ways from the RCC with a few reformed ways in each denomination, each their own way, or are we really like the first church in what we do?

Bless you
 
@Brother-Paul

Somehow your response to me got printed twice.

And 'this' probably belongs more in the other thread regarding the beliefs of the RCC / Biblical or not.

And, yes, the very early church Did meet in private homes -- they were Not an accepted group of people. The Jews met in the synogogues -- they were now followers of Christ. each other's homes was the only place To meet.

I -- do Not do Anything because it came from the RCC. And, yes, we Do do things differently. There's nothing 'wrong' with meeting in a 'church' building with running water and indoor plumbing and a nursery and a baptistry. And I really Don't Care who started meeting in a 'church' building first.

Does Every Term we use today Have to be in Scripture to be correct? concerning the word for the building we meet in to worship God in? The word 'kuriakon' -- so it's not in Scripture -- where the RCC got it ? doesn't really matter. Are we supposed to Not meet in a 'church' or in a building at All because the RCC came up with 'their' latin word that means church?!
Take That a step farther -- the term 'rapture' and 'trinity' are not in Scripture, either. Are we to disavow them, Too? Of course not.
If You feel inclined to Not meet in a church building or go to a local church -- that's up to you. But Scripture Does highly encourage believers to get together on a regular basis for our own sake -- spiritual encouragement -- growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ with others.

And meeting in a church building isn't really 'giving in' to a RCC concept. It Is a thing that people Do.

Nothing about the RCC is Scriptural. Well -- except that they do worship a Risen Jesus Christ. And they Do believe in Mary starting out as a virgin.

Yes, John 3 or so -- Jesus is telling Nicodemus that he needed to be born-Again. Because Everyone is born physically -- but being born Spiritually is needed -- thus -- born-again.

In the book of Acts -- the church was growing very quickly. Thousands at a time -- and more than likely in one specific location because they were breaking bread together. That's how it was done in those days.

In other countries that we hear about Now -- lots of converts in some areas -- do they find a church building to meet in? highly doubtful -- they get together where ever they can. It's their set of circumstances. The Middle-east is a very different situation than we here are in.

And, of Course, all these various groups feel that They are right. Human nature. 'We' need to find out what God's Word says concerning salvation and how That is made possible for Everyone. Find a church / group of people / who follow God's Word. and reach out to the community and others with the Gospel unto salvation.

Lots of people feel 'safe' going into a church building. And maybe that's what is problematic to you. Feeling secure in a building. Well -- do people also feel 'safe' when amongst a large group of people outdoors? Doesn't Everyone want to be part of a 'group'? doesn't a person Still need to find out what the 'outdoor' group believes. They could be just as off-base as the Indoor group.

time to get breakfast.
 
Greeting Sue, Peace be with you.

If I may say, you are not getting what I am putting over, so I will re-word another way. I do feel however from the above, there is tension building with your replies. May be it is your manner I don't know, words can come over differently that talking in person. If I am wrong please forgive me.
So I just say in love, Peace be with you sister.

Now to clarify the point regarding the Church, people today call the building the church, this is wrong and misleading.

The church as we know is the ekklesia, the saved souls, the body of Christ, the bride of Christ. It consists of saved souls worldwide, spiritual stones, Not the building.

The church building is called the church today by many, but it is really the kuriakon, a word introduced by the RCC. Church Building.

I am not condemning people going to a church building, as it appears you think, I am just confirming that calling the building a church is misleading.

I have mentioned previously, I saw a sign outside a 'place of worship' last year, it summed it up exactly what I am saying and showed that these people really understand scripture and want all who come to them to understand also. It said.....

THE CHURCH meets here every Sunday.


See the difference, THE CHURCH are the saved believers, the Body of Christ, not the building.

If people call the Church Building, the church, they are in effect mis-guiding the flock. In every church fellowship there are saved souls and not saved souls, lost souls, some as we know have more saved souls, some as we know have more lost souls, together they are a fellowship, together they are not The Church, even though they may be in a building called a church. The saved believers are the church, the ekklesia, the lost souls, searching hearts are not.

Now image our Lord looking down on 'His Church', we can be sure He does. What does He see?
He sees those who say they are the Church, misguiding the ones who are not saved. It ends up with people saying, I go to Church on Sunday (and other days), My church is this building or that building, this denomination or that denomination. We do not have a church! We do not go to church, We go to a place, THE CHURCH meets there on Sunday (and other days). The building can be a place of worship, or it can be this building or that building, this house or that house, this persons garage, that persons shed, it doesn't matter where we go, it doesn't matter what building or what tent!

When two or three come together I am there in the midst of them, says out Lord.

From a preaching point of view, if we call a building a church we are misleading the flock, the congregations need to know, THE CHURCH is the saved believers.

If you go to be with THE CHURCH, you would want to know are you part of it, you would want to know that you are, saved, you would know whether you are part of the Body of Christ or not. Denominations would be irrelevant, they are man made, the Body of Christ, THE CHURCH, The Bride of Christ, is Only, saved believers worldwide, regardless of age, sex, country, language, etc.

It is clear therefore to be part of THE CHURCH is to be saved, not just a member of a congregation. A congregation is a fellowship of people who have come together, THE CHURCH is the saved believers, not all who come to a church building.

Hopefully what I have added today makes more sense, I am not condemning the church building which you appear to be thinking from what I read in your reply, we all need a building to come together in, no matter what the building may be. Christians need fellowship, they need to come together with other believers, our Lord wants this, and is in the midst with us when two or three come together. The point is clear that the Church is not the building THE CHURCH is the saved souls.

Is it not clearer to say, is it not right in our Lord's eyes to be clear regarding scripture?

THE CHURCH (ekkesia saved souls, scriptural) meets here (in this building kuriakon not scriptural) every Sunday
THE CHURCH meets where ever two or three saved believers or more come together in Jesus Name, to pray, worship and have fellowship one with another.
THE CHURCH meets here every day at Talk Jesus.

Bless you
 
Greetings,

I am fairly sure that it is written that we [believers] are the building.[not made with hands]
and built on a foundation [apostles and prophets];
having Christ as the head corner stone [the stone the builders rejected

PRAISE THE LORD


Bless you ....><>
 
Greetings,

I am fairly sure that it is written that we [believers] are the building.[not made with hands]
and built on a foundation [apostles and prophets];
having Christ as the head corner stone [the stone the builders rejected

PRAISE THE LORD


Bless you ....><>


So true brother, we are the spiritual stones of the True Church, the Body of Christ

2 Corinthians 5:1-8 (NKJV)
1 For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven,
3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked.
4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life.
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.
7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.
8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

1 Peter 2:1-5 (NKJV)
1 Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking,
2 as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby,
3 if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
4 Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious,
5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

The RCC called the church building the Church, it is wrong, but simple to correct and avoid misunderstanding.

THE CHURCH (ekkesia saved souls, scriptural) meets here (in this building kuriakon not scriptural) every Sunday
 
Some have always called the building the church, so see nothing wrong with that.

But every time 'we' talk to a new member and call it church we are misguiding them.

Many people call the building the church, many people have been brought up to do so. Some say My church which is also wrong, we don't have a church.

Jesus will return soon for His Church, is He coming with a load of JCB's and wagons? No.

Because the building is not the church.
 
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Greetings folks,

without extending this any further from the OP

Wasn't the word 'Church' from 'Kirk' from 'Circle' from gathering / congregation / assembly ?
We all can go to where others will meet and together all will form that Church. [and it can be in the woods or wherever.]

PRAISE THE LORD


Bless you ....><>
 
@Br. Bear

The English word "church" does not come from this Greek word.

The word for church has many starting points, but kirk or kerke being the Dutch word for it.

Greek kariakion meaning 'of the Lord' was used of houses of Christian worship since 300 A.D (RCC). It was used mainly in the East, but took some time to become accepted ekkesia was the correct wording. The Romans and the Celts introduced variant of ekkesia, again ekkesia is the correct word for Church.

It is also interesting that in the late 1600 the words 'church goer' was introduced.

So the 'church goer' being added sums up what we have today. The ekkesia the church, the saved believers, all who are not saved being church goers.

But back to the building, the church building, kuriakon, is a none Biblical word for the place the people came together in, which includes saved souls the ekklesia and not saved, or not yet saved souls the church goers.

And as you state brother, the church can meet anywhere, building, tent, wood, swimming pool, car, where ever.

Blessings
 
Bible verses about Kuriakon
(From Forerunner Commentary)

Revelation 1:10

Our English word "church" is derived from the Greek word kuriakon, which means "belonging to a lord." But of itself, kuriakon has absolutely no religious connotation. It simply meant "the lord or master of a property." It is never used in the Bible in reference to the body of Jesus Christ (the church).

Kuriakon is used where it says "on the Lord's [kuriakon] day." It does not mean Sunday. It does not mean the Sabbath. It means the Day of the Lord, which is at the end-time. So it is a day belonging to the Lord. How did this get into the English language? It was the English-speaking Israelites who transformed kuriakon into a religious term. It emerged first in the word kirk, and finally evolved through the centuries into the word "church." Its first usage in English was as a building in which religious meetings were held, but eventually became used for the people in the building too. Kuriakon is not used in Acts 7:38. Ecclesia is, which means "assembly, group" and it is even used in the Bible for a mob.

John W. Ritenbaugh
from: Kuriakon (Forerunner Commentary)
 
I thank you for the above post brother.

Looking in my library I found this also and feel it is worth sharing with one and all. Hope you don't mind brother, it is, I believe, an interesting read.

From: Eternal Israel by Barry E Horner - The meaning of Church

The Meaning of “Church,” Ἐκκλησία, Ekklēsia, in the New Testament (HCSB)


So often in considering the relationship between Israel and the church, the meaning of church is assumed. We believe this is a fundamental error that needs to be addressed. Since this is such a misunderstood theological concept and term due to centuries of accumulated meaning, all 113 instances of ἐκκλησία, ekklēsia, “church,” in the New Testament should be consulted. In the ecclesiastical environment of Christendom today, it becomes obvious that the word church often proves to be inadequate in conveying the original meaning—that is, the apostolic meaning that pervaded the early assembling of Christians.

Basic Meaning

In establishing the meaning of a New Testament word, it is of vital importance that it is derived from its first-century setting and not the accumulation of meaning that gradually becomes attached over subsequent centuries. Indeed, we also have to be careful that we do not import meaning from the preceding classical era, as illuminating—and perhaps illustrative—as this may appear to be. The proper meaning of ἐκκλησία, ekklēsia, is a case in point. The English word church comes from the Greek kuriakon concerning a building belonging to a kurios, or “master,” “lord.” Similarly, there is the German Kirche as well as the Scotch kirk, and the Dutch kerk. The Oxford American Dictionary and Thesaurus lists six distinctive English meanings:

1. A building for public (usually Christian) worship

2. A meeting for public worship in such a building

3. (Church) the body of all Christians

4. (Church) the clergy or clerical profession

5. (Church) an organized Christian group or society of any time, country, or distinct principles of worship

6. Institutionalized religion as a political or social force

Yet most of these, especially the primary, as distinct from the tertiary reference, unsatisfactorily represent the essential and simple meaning of ἐκκλησία, ekklēsia, in the New Testament.


In the first-century New Testament period. Here, ἐκκλησία, ekklēsia, simply meant “assembly,” “congregation,” or “gathering” in a secular sense, even without the necessary intimation of being summoned or any inherent religious or spiritual meaning. It was common for it to refer to a secular sporting, social, or political meeting (Acts 19:32, 41). So in Matt 16:18, the Lord Jesus uses this secular expression, except he qualifies it: “I also say to you that you are Peter [πέτρος, petros, ‘masculine’], and on this rock [πέτρα, petra, ‘neuter’] I will build My [emphatic position, universal] congregation/assembly [μου τὴν ἐκκλησίαν, mou tēn ekklēsian], and the forces of Hades [being pent up and ready for conflict] will not overpower it.” Consider the similar reference: “All the churches/congregations of Christ greet you” (Rom 16:16). However, to employ church today in Matt 16:18 is to obscure the original meaning, which focuses on Christ and certainly not church according to modern parlance. As distinct from consideration of the more popular identification of Jesus, such as being likened to John the Baptist or Elijah or Jeremiah, Peter affirms that Jesus is the divine Jewish Messiah, ὁ Χριστὸς, ho Christos, the anointed Son of the living Father—a designation and confession that so delighted Jesus. Christ emphatically distinguishes his congregation from all others. Hence he happily anticipates Peter’s involvement in the inauguration of his congregation, which will be established on the rock of Peter’s confession and inaugural church role (Matt 16:19).

So in the New Testament, ἐκκλησία, ekklēsia, as a secular term, is distinguished as being Christian by either qualifiers (Acts 5:11; 7:38; 11:22; 20:28; Rom 16:4; 1 Cor 14:33; Gal 1:2, 22; Col 4:16; 2 Thess 1:4; 1 Tim 3:15; Eph 5:29; Phlm 1:2; Heb 12:23; Rev 1:11) or the definite article (Acts 8:3; 12:1; 15:3), and both of these categories are often more clearly identified by the broader context (Acts 9:31). Hence in discussion concerning Israel and the Church, as is so often the commonly nominated expression for study, we would suggest that a far more clarifying title should be Israel and Christ’s Congregation. Once this less tarnished expression is grasped, refreshing clarity results, including new possibilities in terms of comprehending the eschatological kingdom of God.

Added Meaning

Unfortunately, over many centuries subsequent to the early church, additional meanings have attached to ἐκκλησία, ekklēsia,
like barnacles accumulating on the hull of a newly launched ship, which increasingly impede its progress. To appreciate this, simply substitute the term assembly or congregation for church in any of the New Testament references. It will become obvious that intimations of institutionalism, authoritarianism, sacerdotalism, and sacralism simply disappear. To speak of the sacred Roman universal assembly/gathering/congregation is to denude the more historic title, the Holy Roman Catholic Church, of its accumulated aura of ecclesiastical and authoritarian might, which the New Testament language concerning church, especially regarding Matt 16:18, never faintly represents.

Therefore, in the sixteenth century, William Tyndale translated ekklēsia in the first English New Testament as “congregacion”—that is, “congregation”—rightly moving the focus from a building and a religious institution to the people, those especially belonging to Christ. Actually, he translated ekklēsia as “congregacion” in 112 references; one other reference he translated as “company” (Rom 16:5). However, dire consequences followed this monumental work—that is, the first translation of the New Testament from the Greek text of Erasmus into English—whose 1534 edition became foundational for the King James version of 1611. Humanist Sir Thomas More strenuously opposed Tyndale’s magnum opus; his criticism was derisive, most likely because of antipathy to Tyndale’s sympathies with Luther, especially concerning the gospel.

F. F. Bruce provides a highly significant explanation here:

When More’s charges are examined, they amount to nothing more than a complaint that Tyndale translated certain ecclesiastical terms by English words which lacked ecclesiastical associations. Thus he used “congregation” and not “church,” “senior” (in later editions “elder”) and not “priest” (where the Greek had presbyteros), “repentance” and not “penance,” “love” and not “charity,” and so forth. But no fault can be found with Tyndale in this regard from the standpoint of pure scholarship... In short, it was not the translation but the translator that More objected to. In his eyes, Tyndale was a Lutheran, a heretic, and his translation could not be right.

How tragic yet glorious is the conclusion to this historic saga. Tyndale’s New Testament rapidly spread despite ecclesiastical opposition that included book burnings. Having earlier fled from England to Europe, he was later kidnapped and incarcerated in a fortress north of Brussels. In August 1536, a church court found him guilty of heresy and condemned him to death. His lang-grcsterial office being degraded, he was then tied to a stake and strangled (by civil authorities), after which fire consumed him. His closing cry from the stake was “Lord, open the King of England’s eyes.”

Here is proof enough of the change in meaning that congregation or assembly could bring about in their replacement of church. Christian institutionalism—in this case, the Roman Catholic Church—found its stature and authority challenged and plainly it did not like it. However, the same institutionalism was evident in the Church of England. Upon the Puritan call for a new translation in 1604—that is, the authorized version—King James I became an overseeing force behind the new translation. Six companies of translators met at Westminster, Cambridge, and Oxford, where translation guidelines were provided by the king, including the requirement that “the old ecclesiastical words [were] to be kept, viz. the word Church [was] not to be translated Congregation.” Here the clinging to ecclesiastical power trumped commitment to truth. Even Luther, in his 1535 German translation of the Bible, “did not use the word ‘kirche,’ the German equivalent of ‘church,’ for ekklesia. Instead, he appropriately translated ekklesia as ‘gemeinde,’ i.e. community.”

Thus today when there is discussion concerning Israel and the church, there is a tendency to comprehend these two entities as more citadel, institutional-type communities, especially concerning the primacy of the church. Hence when we more correctly substitute the terminology, Israel and Christ’s Congregation, a new perspective confronts us. Stripped of authoritarian and institutional concepts, “My [Christ’s] congregation” (Matt 16:18), in its incorporation of both believing Jews and Gentiles, is in no way meant to describe a homogenous society composed of clone-like believers. So the body of Christ, as a representation of this congregation, has unity and yet the diversity of differently gifted members—unity and yet diversity as in marital union—so that there is unity and yet diversity in Jewish and Gentile Christian relations. This is especially made clear in the institution of the new covenant, which is principally made with “the house of Israel and the house of Judah” (Jer 31:31), not directly with the church. So with the inclusion of Gentiles as “wild olive branches” (Rom 11:17), Paul sees them not as dominant but rather as needful of humility in terms of their gracious inclusion, knowing that “you [Gentiles] do not sustain the [Abrahamic] root, but the root sustains you” (Rom 11:18).

Eternal Israel by Barry E Horner
 
thank you Brother.

what a horrific way to treat a man who wanted to stay true to God.

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this is well put:
So with the inclusion of Gentiles as “wild olive branches” (Rom 11:17), Paul sees them not as dominant but rather as needful of humility in terms of their gracious inclusion, knowing that “you [Gentiles] do not sustain the [Abrahamic] root, but the root sustains you” (Rom 11:18).
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While we might use one term or another, it can insinuate something different that what it actually is and in this case, with 'church', it does. That in turn effects the understanding of a lot of other 'things' about God and His Word.

It is good to become familiar to some extent with this because it can be a good way to explain more of the Salvation of God {His Son} to those in the world who think church means one demonination or another or else a building and who think that they need to go to church to get close to God, etc etc.

Thank you again for sharing that


Bless you ....><>
 
thank you Brother.

what a horrific way to treat a man who wanted to stay true to God.

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this is well put:

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While we might use one term or another, it can insinuate something different that what it actually is and in this case, with 'church', it does. That in turn effects the understanding of a lot of other 'things' about God and His Word.

It is good to become familiar to some extent with this because it can be a good way to explain more of the Salvation of God {His Son} to those in the world who think church means one demonination or another or else a building and who think that they need to go to church to get close to God, etc etc.

Thank you again for sharing that


Bless you ....><>


So true brother

It is the misunderstanding, and being born into our time slot, that we end up accepting what we do today as being right.

I hate that term. 'It is what we do today' show business celebrities use it, the youngsters copy and use it, they are the devil's words for sure, accept the world as it is, don't look back that has gone.

Believe what is now, the past has gone...

Genesis 3:4-5 (NKJV)
4 Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die.
5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

If we don't look back we do not know what Jesus has done for us and why. If we don't look back we do not know about the prophesies God has given us, so when they happen we know God said they would.

I believe every generation changes something, they always have, but in these latter days change is happening at an alarming speed. The birth pangs are getting stronger brother. If that doesn't tell us to check back and make sure we are right with God nothing will. Unless it is God's will for that person, for the searching heart.

Bless you
 
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