God Bless All of you who really love our LORD JESUS ! I can only say I do try hard to Serve the Lord in Truth and faith ! I am sure i lack at times ! still I look forward to the race ahead ! even if i fall down ! You know even before i was Born -again . I know He was with me ! It sad i did not get it much sooner !
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God Bless All of you who really love our LORD JESUS ! I can only say I do try hard to Serve the Lord in Truth and faith ! I am sure i lack at times ! still I look forward to the race ahead ! even if i fall down ! You know even before i was Born -again . I know He was with me ! It sad i did not get it much sooner !
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I have to agree. Tithing isn't the same thing as prosperity doctrine. I think God wants us to give. I don't think it's required to get to heaven, but it's good to support the church if we can.
Mat 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.
Jesus said at least the Pharisee's were obeying the law when it came to tithing, but they neglecting the more important (weightier) commandments about justice and mercy.
Mark 12:41 And He sat down opposite the treasury, and began observing how the people were putting money into the treasury; and many rich people were putting in large sums.
Mark 12:42 A poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which amount to a cent.
Mark 12:43 Calling His disciples to Him, He said to them, "Truly I say to you, this poor widow put in more than all the contributors to the treasury;
Mark 12:44 for they all put in out of their surplus, but she, out of her poverty, put in all she owned, all she had to live on."
Jesus commended this lady for giving all that she had.
Heb 7:1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham as he was returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,
Heb 7:2 to whom also Abraham apportioned a tenth part of all the spoils, was first of all, by the translation of his name, king of righteousness, and then also king of Salem, which is king of peace.
Heb 7:4 Now observe how great this man was to whom Abraham, the patriarch, gave a tenth of the choicest spoils.
Heb 7:5 And those indeed of the sons of Levi who receive the priest's office have commandment in the Law to collect a tenth from the people, that is, from their brethren, although these are descended from Abraham.
Notice all of these verses are in the New Testament, but for me personally, I believe many things in the OT still apply.
Mal 3:8 "Will a man rob God? Yet you are robbing Me! But you say, 'How have we robbed You?' In tithes and offerings.
Mal 3:9 "You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing Me, the whole nation of you!
Mal 3:10 "Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house, and test Me now in this," says the LORD of hosts, "if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows.
Mal 3:11 "Then I will rebuke the devourer for you, so that it will not destroy the fruits of the ground; nor will your vine in the field cast its grapes," says the LORD of hosts.
Mal 3:12 "All the nations will call you blessed, for you shall be a delightful land," says the LORD of hosts.
If you don't believe in tithing, that's fine. But I know God had blessed me when I do it.
Luke 6:38 "Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure--pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return."
2 Cor 9:6 Now this I say, he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.
2 Cor 9:7 Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
The hardest area to give God control of, for me that is, was my budget. I refused to trust the Lord in that area, while all the time defending my position with Scripture. After studying what the Bible says about giving, the Holy Spirit spoke to my wife and me that we needed to give as He directed. It was not under pressure, just a sweet nudge and we followed as we believed the Lord wanted us to. I do not speak with pride, nor will I say what percent we give. I hope my left hand does not know what my right hand is doing.
I do believe christians should give, but there were many years I gave almost nothing. I am ashamed of how hard hearted I have been.
I do believe christians should give, but there were many years I gave almost nothing. I am ashamed of how hard hearted I have been.
Tithing is under the Law the old priesthood !
It rejecting the grace of God . the new laws 1 which were always God eternal laws 1 Love and faith 1 the law is Not faith
Many want to say it is ! God says it NOT!
Rom_9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Rom_14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Gal_3:12 And the law is not of faith
Heb_7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Heb_10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Listen > It important to God , Why we do what we do !
If we do it because we do not know any better ? He will have mercy to some degree ? But if we know the Truth and still do evil ? woe is US !
It very serious for us to know the truth and live it the best we can !
You understand tithing was for the priesthood , the levis , they were not allowed to have lands and work except for the , i guess we could call it the church of that time? Now Jesus has changed the priesthood and the way we now live and give !
first we are too take care of our Families First ! that our first job for the LORD !
They need to have there needs mey first 1 then if we have more ? we can share it with those in need ! Of course where we worship need there bills paid !
This is the way we are to give !
2Co_9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
No force at all ! We do what we do , because we want too ! Not because we Must ! Jesus came to set us free of All bondage !
The only laws we live under are LOVe and Faith ! Of course under LOVE we care about others as much as ourselves 1 ! But God expects us to take care of our family First !
1Ti_5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
I believe in giving ! I love giving of whatever i have ? Money time , things ?
and I Love helping others in any good way i can ?
Tithing was under the first Covenant ! Heb_8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Heb_10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things,
This is the LAW of JESUS CHRIST our LORD and Creator !
2Ti_1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Th_5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
1Ti_1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
Rom_1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Eph_3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Gal_5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Jas_1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Jas_2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
I understand why most churches still preach tithing ! Because they fear people will npot give , unless they feel they MUST ? They do not understand , Out of Love people will even gives there lives !
Love is so much more powerful ! God ways are Not mankinds ways !
Someone told me ? They have a very hard time reading my posts ? I doubt i am going to get any better at it 1 Sorry if it not up to , there thinking ! I doubt very much if i am ever going to please All ? But i will try to do better if it really affends some ? I was never good in english and did not finish high school !
but God picks mostly the weak , the lowly ? I thank god He had mercy on me and can use me !
god thinking is far above our fleshg thinking !
It rejecting the grace of God . the new laws 1 which were always God eternal laws 1 Love and faith 1 the law is Not faith
Many want to say it is ! God says it NOT!
Rom_9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Rom_14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Gal_3:12 And the law is not of faith
Heb_7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Heb_10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Listen > It important to God , Why we do what we do !
If we do it because we do not know any better ? He will have mercy to some degree ? But if we know the Truth and still do evil ? woe is US !
It very serious for us to know the truth and live it the best we can !
You understand tithing was for the priesthood , the levis , they were not allowed to have lands and work except for the , i guess we could call it the church of that time? Now Jesus has changed the priesthood and the way we now live and give !
first we are too take care of our Families First ! that our first job for the LORD !
They need to have there needs mey first 1 then if we have more ? we can share it with those in need ! Of course where we worship need there bills paid !
This is the way we are to give !
2Co_9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
No force at all ! We do what we do , because we want too ! Not because we Must ! Jesus came to set us free of All bondage !
The only laws we live under are LOVe and Faith ! Of course under LOVE we care about others as much as ourselves 1 ! But God expects us to take care of our family First !
1Ti_5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
I believe in giving ! I love giving of whatever i have ? Money time , things ?
and I Love helping others in any good way i can ?
Tithing was under the first Covenant ! Heb_8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Heb_10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things,
This is the LAW of JESUS CHRIST our LORD and Creator !
2Ti_1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Th_5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
1Ti_1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
Rom_1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Eph_3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Gal_5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Jas_1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Jas_2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
I understand why most churches still preach tithing ! Because they fear people will npot give , unless they feel they MUST ? They do not understand , Out of Love people will even gives there lives !
Love is so much more powerful ! God ways are Not mankinds ways !
Someone told me ? They have a very hard time reading my posts ? I doubt i am going to get any better at it 1 Sorry if it not up to , there thinking ! I doubt very much if i am ever going to please All ? But i will try to do better if it really affends some ? I was never good in english and did not finish high school !
but God picks mostly the weak , the lowly ? I thank god He had mercy on me and can use me !
god thinking is far above our fleshg thinking !
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Spirit1st...it takes faith to tithe. Ity takes faith to believe that God owns everything you have, and He is gracious enough to allow you 90%. This is Biblical, it is His word,and it takes faith to believe it. Nothing to do with trying to work for salvation, just simple child-like obedience. Something this proud adult has historically had much trouble with. Trusting (faith again) that despite your bank balance showing not much, that the Lord will provide for all your needs. So yoy give your 10% and trust Him . Faith. All faith.
I Do not accept tithing under the New covenant , new testament ! but , if you do ? that your business !
I know it is preached in most churches !
The New testament , New Covenant started after the LORD rose from the Dead and sent back the HOLY GHOST 1 Then those He freed from HELL and those in the Upper room were Born -again . creating the true unseen Church !
I Live under the New Testament , new covenant !
Heb_9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Heb 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
They always preach the Old testament , when demanding tithing !
Mal_3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Heb_10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Not against giving , I FOR IT ! I am against forcing others to give under the Old covenant !
It Wonderful people want to GIVE ! It would be better if they gave for the Correct reasons ?
I know it is preached in most churches !
The New testament , New Covenant started after the LORD rose from the Dead and sent back the HOLY GHOST 1 Then those He freed from HELL and those in the Upper room were Born -again . creating the true unseen Church !
I Live under the New Testament , new covenant !
Heb_9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Heb 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
They always preach the Old testament , when demanding tithing !
Mal_3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Heb_10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Not against giving , I FOR IT ! I am against forcing others to give under the Old covenant !
It Wonderful people want to GIVE ! It would be better if they gave for the Correct reasons ?
You can not out-give God. If you give out of love, God will bless.
If a church is doing the work of God, it needs support. If you love God you will want to support the work.
2Corinthians 9
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.
10 Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness
11 Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.
If a church is doing the work of God, it needs support. If you love God you will want to support the work.
2Corinthians 9
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.
10 Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness
11 Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.
Mat_6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
Mat_6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
Rev_2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Mat_6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
Rev_2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
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I don't know about your fellas' churches, but mine is growing by up to a million every year, especially as has been said in Africa, Central and Sth America, Asia and the former Soviet Union. The reason why it isn't growing in western nations such as Europe, the US, Australia and NZ, is complacency. We in the western world are too comfortable, too secure in our material wealth. This isn't necessarily the church's fault that growth is slow in these areas, simply that she is only just working out that such conditions need different means to present the truth.
Only recently is the church beginning to appreciate the power of the internet for evangelical purposes. People aren't interested in books so much any more. Used to 30 second soundbites via the media the people have to be approached in a different way than previously. Hard hitting short eye-opening messages to grab the attention then slowly draw people in with more in depth truth. We have to learn to do things differently for the modern man and woman whose interests lie in areas formerly unknown to the world.
People today have short attention spans. Long-winded sermons and articles don't cut it today. (Brakelite take note). That said, it is God who does the growth thing anyway, we just got to be open to the best way in which to assist. I have heard many stories out of places like Papua New Guinea and Sth America where missionaries have entered previously unkown areas to find thriving churches already there. Angels are doing a work where the church is insufficient in resources or manpower to do the work.
Then of course the question must be asked...are we willing to sacrifice on behalf of the lost? Are we willing to be labourers with Christ in the harvest field?
Only recently is the church beginning to appreciate the power of the internet for evangelical purposes. People aren't interested in books so much any more. Used to 30 second soundbites via the media the people have to be approached in a different way than previously. Hard hitting short eye-opening messages to grab the attention then slowly draw people in with more in depth truth. We have to learn to do things differently for the modern man and woman whose interests lie in areas formerly unknown to the world.
People today have short attention spans. Long-winded sermons and articles don't cut it today. (Brakelite take note). That said, it is God who does the growth thing anyway, we just got to be open to the best way in which to assist. I have heard many stories out of places like Papua New Guinea and Sth America where missionaries have entered previously unkown areas to find thriving churches already there. Angels are doing a work where the church is insufficient in resources or manpower to do the work.
Then of course the question must be asked...are we willing to sacrifice on behalf of the lost? Are we willing to be labourers with Christ in the harvest field?
We Must remember where the battle at `! It not by Sight ! It a spiritual battle ! It always spiritual first ! Then we see the results in the flesh realm
Eph_6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
When the Disciples had a serious problem to deal with ? They Fasted ! Fasted not a bad thing ! Our minds are so Clear after fasting only three days ! It no longer confused and many Wonderful Spiritual things we will Love will take place !
I found three days , water only and praying !
I always had a little problem, I never liked others looking up too me or bragging about me or having power over others !
Many would LOVE IT ! I hated it ! When i fast ? I can tell who has a righteous spirit and who does not 1 what people will say before they say it !
Anything that is one color and can tell where it messed up ? Where in the norm , it all looks the same !
When we Fast ? We are much more in touch with the spiritual realm and our Father GOD
Because we are All a Spiritual being First ! That why I call my self Spirit1st ! Revealing I see us All as a Spirit first !
I been places and done things that were beyond the norm ! And when others started lifting me up i left Quickly ! This is a flaw , I have !
Eph_6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
When the Disciples had a serious problem to deal with ? They Fasted ! Fasted not a bad thing ! Our minds are so Clear after fasting only three days ! It no longer confused and many Wonderful Spiritual things we will Love will take place !
I found three days , water only and praying !
I always had a little problem, I never liked others looking up too me or bragging about me or having power over others !
Many would LOVE IT ! I hated it ! When i fast ? I can tell who has a righteous spirit and who does not 1 what people will say before they say it !
Anything that is one color and can tell where it messed up ? Where in the norm , it all looks the same !
When we Fast ? We are much more in touch with the spiritual realm and our Father GOD
Because we are All a Spiritual being First ! That why I call my self Spirit1st ! Revealing I see us All as a Spirit first !
I been places and done things that were beyond the norm ! And when others started lifting me up i left Quickly ! This is a flaw , I have !
If you don't mind a story of mine from a time long time ago and far, far away from where I lived. (trying to make it sound like Star Wars) Well in 1981 my pastor went to Columbia. He was there for a crusade in Calie. He told how people were hungry to know Jesus. He said people begged for Bibles, or even a small Gospel of John in Spanish. He said from morning to night people were there wanting to find Jesus as Lord. I was in disbelief, and told him I found it hard to believe his stories. He became so insistant that I go and see for myself in the next crusade the next Sept. 1982. I had spent my entire Navy service in the US and never left our country. So I said I would go, I had to see such things for myself.
The crusade went to La Paz Bolivia. We were set up with missionaries to go out in different areas. I went to lake Titi Caca the worlds highest fresh water lake. By the way I hate to fly. It took over 12 hours in flight time and 16 landings and take off's to make the round trip from Flordia and to La Paz Bolivia and back to Flordia. To make a very long long story very brief. What my pastor said not accurate! The fact is I saw adults cry because they never even heard of Jesus before. The missionary Rev. Paul Stade from Canada and I were a team. We saw more than 650 men, women, boy's and girl's surrendr to Jesus Christ, and we were out in a very remote area about 100 miles from La Paz. I had and still have never slept so cold in my life. We stayed right nest to the lake in a hotel with no heat. But that's a different story for some time else.
When I returned home I was in culture shock, my world was up side down! I just could not believe my eyes with people hungry for the good news of Jesus Christ. This experience so changed my life, even my wife saw a change she could hardly believe. I experienced genuine extremely very poor people. I thought my wife and I were below most US peoples income standards. WE WERE RICH! VERY RICH. I have never seen such poor improverished needy people until then. They had almost no medical care, food was hard to grow in rocky soil, hygiene was almost non existent to the point that people did, what they had to do, where ever they were. Clothes were very dirty, and seldom washed. There were excempyions, and it was unusual. These people were very short about 4' 2" generally, I am 5' 10" and because their celings were low I kept hitting my head and in several housed they used canvas for the celing, My head tore a hole in a celin The people so touched my life and my wife and I prayed what we might do for the Lord. The crusade had so many come to Christ it was unbelieveable.
So in a way my doubts God used for me and my wife to go with our four children to the study Bible in college. To shorten the story further, we both graduated from college and went to seminary. That's a lot from not believing people were hungry for the gospel.
There are many reasons the US has so little interest in Jesus Christ. People have no shame, sexual lust in every form is perfect acceptable. There is no modesty in many women. Fidelity in marriage is missing in mant marriages. Schools are taking away parents rights of sexual educating their children, with Biblical standards. Some California schools are teaching kindergarten children that homosexuality is ok and to have two dad's or two mom's is ok too. Children are instructed to informe on being spanked by their parents. Little children in the firts grade with gender issues can dress are they feel they should be and use the restroom they think they should be. Recently on TV we heard of amother that had dressed her son as a little girl from the age of 18 months and now at I think they said seven or eoght wanted to permit her, or him or what he thought she was to have a gender change. That is outrageously evil to do such a thing to a child. I do not if it was completed or not. Our familes are not united in faith in Christ, and until that changes we are in a slippery slope headed for Hell's open doors.
Ray Comfort is a true man of God. He witnesses everywhere he goes. He has a Christian Program WAY OF THE MASTER (I hope it's ok to say that) that gives help to us on how to witness to anyone! I have used his ideas and they really work, What a blessing Ray is to so many people. Well I have said enough, thanks for your kind effort in some of my rabbit chases, I Love the Lord Jesus and He has blessed us so very much, and more that we deserved. Blessings.
So many people look at their churches like businesses. If the church isn't growing what we need is a different program or a guest speaker or a different youth leader. What they don't realize, is that the church is not a business. The church grows when the church falls on its face before God and realizes its dependence on Him. We start to realize what John 15:1-5 says when it says we cannot bear fruit apart from him. Grow, true growth, doesn't occur when you have guest speakers or dinners or fancy programs. The church grows when people live the way the Lord wants them to and they honor him, repent and follow Him.
Yes many count the church they run as a business ! It must make money , about any way it can ?
They forgotten it for His Glory and Honor and Not about making Millions !
It sad but true in many cases?
I once was ahead of the Royal Rangers in the church i went too many years ago ! I could not get any help or monies for it ! I used to pick the kids up and take them home ! I had 32 boys and had to make about 4 or 5 trips each way ! I had no money to speak of and had 4 kids of my own !
What was important were the grown ups who paid ! the kids had no money , so were not important ! But i did lead all 32 to the LORD JESUS CHRIST ! Praise the LORD!
Lot of churches do not have many young in them ! We just do the best we can , to help where we can ?
They forgotten it for His Glory and Honor and Not about making Millions !
It sad but true in many cases?
I once was ahead of the Royal Rangers in the church i went too many years ago ! I could not get any help or monies for it ! I used to pick the kids up and take them home ! I had 32 boys and had to make about 4 or 5 trips each way ! I had no money to speak of and had 4 kids of my own !
What was important were the grown ups who paid ! the kids had no money , so were not important ! But i did lead all 32 to the LORD JESUS CHRIST ! Praise the LORD!
Lot of churches do not have many young in them ! We just do the best we can , to help where we can ?
