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but I am Cristian already. why do you think I go to church and read the bible?
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Talking through gender identity issues requires very careful listening and thoughtful compassionate responses from all sides. It's easy to misunderstand and to be misunderstood.
Internet forums are not best suited to this kind of conversation as the loudest and most extreme voices too easily dominate.
Internet forums are not best suited to this kind of conversation as the loudest and most extreme voices too easily dominate.
I know I just wish people would listen to one another you know.
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1Co 5:1 I can hardly believe the report about the sexual immorality going on among you—something that even pagans don’t do. I am told that a man in your church is living in sin with his stepmother.
1Co 5:2 You are so proud of yourselves, but you should be mourning in sorrow and shame. And you should remove this man from your fellowship.
What good is it to be called a "Christain" and not say anything of a person living in open sin that everyone knows about and that in the Church?
1Co 5:2 You are so proud of yourselves, but you should be mourning in sorrow and shame. And you should remove this man from your fellowship.
What good is it to be called a "Christain" and not say anything of a person living in open sin that everyone knows about and that in the Church?
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Bug you have every right to be a Christian and no one can deny you that right. For there are over 2.6 billion progressing Christian’s in this world. And you may go to achurch of your choosing just like the rest of them do. And it seems everybody else is wrong but the hypocrites are always right. And they always proclaim God is Love. But in essence many think it only applies to them and all their prejudice ways.
And if I may ask in kindness what is your view and definition of a “Christian” for clarity.
For I do not call myself a Christian. But I am a “child of The Living GOD”. For I am one of His adopted sons. But I am not a Christian and very insulted when I am referred as one, against my wishes. And I do not go to anyones church and I refused to do so.
So many consider me a outcast and not one of His Children or I am one living in total rebellion.
But one thing I know He is my FATHER For HE is The LORD ALMIGHTY GOD. And I do not care what The Whole world thinks of Me, for my FATHER is GOD and I know it! And on that appointed day of my Coronation all creation will know both the living and the dead, and the Sun, the Moon, and all The Stars in The universe, all creation will know, when all of The Sons of GOD will be revealed.
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Dear @Bug
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Scripture is being changed to accommodate what the culture of the day finds acceptable. Bibles are being rewritten to exclude any mention of gender, much less anything that directs one to sin, especially as it pertains to morality. Homosexuality, Lesbianism, Bestiality, Pedophilia, and the list goes on is not new to today's times. Even the acceptability of it is not new.
You have been given Scripture to review, and its valid and right in doing so. You say you are a Christian and read the Bible. In that case the Holy Spirit will provide the insight/understanding of it, not humanity. Yet, reading a Bible that has accommodations to today's morality would not benefit you at all. If you must, then start with the original documents from which the Bibles in general used today have been translated from. And yes, they predate 1946. Keeping in mind that what was used instead of homosexuality was sodomites. Certain words may change, but the meaning/context of Scripture does not. So, research and you will find them not to agree with what you have been told/taught so far in your life. Sad, that it was so, because it is much more difficult to change your thought processes once they've been geared to see in one direction instead of another. Especially when told to you by one you love, and respect. However, if Christian/Believer is what you say you are, then the truth of Scripture by which you came to Jesus Christ is more important than anyone's sensibilities being hurt. Even your own. More importantly remember that our Lord suffered and died on that Cross for you and there is no sacrifice on own part that could return the price paid!
You have said that God is all about Love. God is also Holy, Just, Righteous, and other attributes/characteristics. It's humanity that tries to place Him in a box forgetting that for us to know Him completely would take an Eternity! We do know that He is Good, and all the time! Not by our standards or wants and desires as evidenced by God sending His Son to be sacrificed as He was, and not just for those who love him, but for those who don't as well! And that is the issue at hand here.
There is sufficient evidence in Scripture, both specific and suggested that what He has tried to save us from is sin/death, that prevents us from being with Him. That is why the closer we get to Him, the more evident the sin in our lives becomes. Like John said:
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. 1 John 1:8-10 NKJV
Now what you have to do is identify what God, and His Word says what is considered sin. God will not make you do something that you don't want to do. That's not how God works. If you believe you are doing right, and it's not. Then He will provide you avenues by which you will be presented knowledge to what is right. However, it is up to you to accept it, and going to Him, He will help you change and move in the direction that He knows is best for you. Rarely do we want to or like it even!! The flesh is weak, but in Christ Jesus the Spirit is Stronger!!!
So, to give you a change up to how your reasoning opens the door to everything being permissible though not beneficial. If your reasoning is correct concerning morality then what others believe is right i.e., bestiality, pedophilia is also okay. For their reasoning is the same as yours. God is love and he made me this way!!! So, something has to give. Either you have it right or you don't. You have to follow God's way, or you don't. Don't just Seek/Research both sides of the issue, but in prayer seek the truth! Hold Scripture to be sacrosanct and use other documents only as guide to finding Scripture that will tell you not what other writers thing it says, but to what God wants you to know within the context of the words themselves. Our God is not a God of contusion!
Like I used 1 John 1:8-10 as a reference. Don't take my word for the context. Read it yourself!!! Go read the verses before and after. The chapter and if need be, Book, and Testament!! You have been bought for at great price. Don't allow others to dictate what you can easily do/find out for yourself. What you find in regard to this subject might turn your world upside down as you know it, but it's not this world that you are living for. You are living for Christ Jesus!!
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
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Scripture is being changed to accommodate what the culture of the day finds acceptable. Bibles are being rewritten to exclude any mention of gender, much less anything that directs one to sin, especially as it pertains to morality. Homosexuality, Lesbianism, Bestiality, Pedophilia, and the list goes on is not new to today's times. Even the acceptability of it is not new.
You have been given Scripture to review, and its valid and right in doing so. You say you are a Christian and read the Bible. In that case the Holy Spirit will provide the insight/understanding of it, not humanity. Yet, reading a Bible that has accommodations to today's morality would not benefit you at all. If you must, then start with the original documents from which the Bibles in general used today have been translated from. And yes, they predate 1946.
Keeping in mind that what was used instead of homosexuality was sodomites. Certain words may change, but the meaning/context of Scripture does not. So, research and you will find them not to agree with what you have been told/taught so far in your life. Sad, that it was so, because it is much more difficult to change your thought processes once they've been geared to see in one direction instead of another. Especially when told to you by one you love, and respect. However, if Christian/Believer is what you say you are, then the truth of Scripture by which you came to Jesus Christ is more important than anyone's sensibilities being hurt. Even your own. More importantly remember that our Lord suffered and died on that Cross for you and there is no sacrifice on own part that could return the price paid! You have said that God is all about Love. God is also Holy, Just, Righteous, and other attributes/characteristics. It's humanity that tries to place Him in a box forgetting that for us to know Him completely would take an Eternity! We do know that He is Good, and all the time! Not by our standards or wants and desires as evidenced by God sending His Son to be sacrificed as He was, and not just for those who love him, but for those who don't as well! And that is the issue at hand here.
There is sufficient evidence in Scripture, both specific and suggested that what He has tried to save us from is sin/death, that prevents us from being with Him. That is why the closer we get to Him, the more evident the sin in our lives becomes. Like John said:
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. 1 John 1:8-10 NKJV
Now what you have to do is identify what God, and His Word says what is considered sin. God will not make you do something that you don't want to do. That's not how God works. If you believe you are doing right, and it's not. Then He will provide you avenues by which you will be presented knowledge to what is right. However, it is up to you to accept it, and going to Him, He will help you change and move in the direction that He knows is best for you. Rarely do we want to or like it even!! The flesh is weak, but in Christ Jesus the Spirit is Stronger!!!
So, to give you a change up to how your reasoning opens the door to everything being permissible though not beneficial. If your reasoning is correct concerning morality then what others believe is right i.e., bestiality, pedophilia is also okay. For their reasoning is the same as yours. God is love and he made me this way!!! So, something has to give. Either you have it right or you don't. You have to follow God's way, or you don't. Don't just Seek/Research both sides of the issue, but in prayer seek the truth! Hold Scripture to be sacrosanct and use other documents only as guide to finding Scripture that will tell you not what other writers thing it says, but to what God wants you to know within the context of the words themselves. Our God is not a God of contusion!
Like I used 1 John 1:8-10 as a reference. Don't take my word for the context. Read it yourself!!! Go read the verses before and after. The chapter and if need be, Book, and Testament!! You have been bought for at great price. Don't allow others to dictate what you can easily do/find out for yourself. What you find in regard to this subject might turn your world upside down as you know it, but it's not this world that you are living for. You are living for Christ Jesus!!
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
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And yet... Christian and accepted... these truly don't mix together well, like oil and water.
But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.
(Luke 17:25 KJV)
Bug, what can I say? I think you've been taught a wrong version of Christianity.
(Granted, there are a plethora of them out there.)
Rhema
And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word, And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things (e.g. the desire to belong) entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
(Mark 4:18-19 KJV)
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Exactly just what makes you identify as Christian ?? Going to church ?? Reading the Bible ??
And yet those two things are not what the Bible would say makes one a Christian.
You want a dialog, please read these as honest questions. The TV game show "Jeopardy" has truly destroyed the ability for one to ask an honest question, since all questions are now perceivfed as a statement (or condemnation) in the form of a question.
That rather makes things difficult.
Rhema
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Maybe @Bug is listening. Let's find out.
Ask him what he has heard thus far from the other side.
@Bug , what have you heard from the other side? Summarize the opposing points please.
I'm not saying point out their errors, I'm just saying summarize that you heard in your listening
that the side which opposing your position is saying. Please and thank you.
