Coronavirus - what do you think?

[Brother-Paul]

If a global pandemic is a sign about the end times, then Jesus could've returned during the

Antonine Plague: A.D. 165-180
Which may have been smallpox.

Plague of Cyprian: A.D. 250-271
a bishop of Carthage (a city in Tunisia) who described the epidemic as signaling the end of the world, the Plague of Cyprian is estimated to have killed 5,000 people a day in Rome alone.
20 of the worst epidemics and pandemics in history
Plague of Justinian: A.D. 541-542
Some estimates suggest that up to 10% of the world's population died.
20 of the worst epidemics and pandemics in history
6. The Black Death: 1346-1353
Some estimates suggest that it wiped out over half of Europe's population.

Cocoliztli epidemic: 1545-1548
The infection that caused the cocoliztli epidemic was a form of viral hemorrhagic fever that killed 15 million inhabitants of Mexico and Central America.

American Plagues: 16th century
The American Plagues are a cluster of Eurasian diseases brought to the Americas by European explorers. These illnesses, including smallpox, contributed to the collapse of the Inca and Aztec civilizations. Some estimates suggest that 90% of the indigenous population in the Western Hemisphere was killed off.
20 of the worst epidemics and pandemics in history
Great Plague of London: 1665-1666
By the time the plague ended, about 100,000 people, including 15% of the population of London, had died

Great Plague of Marseille: 1720-1723
Plague spread quickly, and over the next three years, as many as 100,000 people may have died in Marseille and surrounding areas. It's estimated that up to 30% of the population of Marseille may have perished

Russian plague: 1770-1772
In plague-ravaged Moscow, the terror of quarantined citizens erupted into violence. Riots spread through the city and culminated in the murder of Archbishop Ambrosius, who was encouraging crowds not to gather for worship (sound familiar?)
By the time the plague ended, as many as 100,000 people may have died. Even after the plague ended, Catherine struggled to restore order. In 1773, Yemelyan Pugachev, a man who claimed to be Peter III (Catherine's executed husband), led an insurrection that resulted in the deaths of thousands more.
20 of the worst epidemics and pandemics in history
Philadelphia yellow fever epidemic: 1793
Mosquitos.
By the end, more than 5,000 people had died.

Flu pandemic: 1889-1890
In the modern industrial age, new transport links made it easier for influenza viruses to wreak havoc. In just a few months, the disease spanned the globe, killing 1 million people. It took just five weeks for the epidemic to reach peak mortality.

The earliest cases were reported in Russia. The virus spread rapidly throughout St. Petersburg before it quickly made its way throughout Europe and the rest of the world, despite the fact that air travel didn't exist yet.

American polio epidemic: 1916
A polio epidemic that started in New York City caused 27,000 cases and 6,000 deaths in the United States. The disease mainly affects children and sometimes leaves survivors with permanent disabilities.
Polio epidemics occurred sporadically in the United States until the Salk vaccine was developed in 1954.

Spanish Flu: 1918-1920
An estimated 500 million people from the South Seas to the North Pole fell victim to Spanish Flu.

Asian Flu: 1957-1958
The Asian Flu pandemic was another global showing for influenza. With its roots in China, the disease claimed more than 1 million lives. The virus that caused the pandemic was a blend of avian flu viruses.

AIDS pandemic and epidemic: 1981-present day (because we have no cure yet)
AIDS has claimed an estimated 35 million lives {gay and straight} since it was first identified.

H1N1 Swine Flu pandemic: 2009-2010
The 2009 swine flu pandemic was caused by a new strain of H1N1 that originated in Mexico in the spring of 2009 before spreading to the rest of the world. In one year, the virus infected as many as 1.4 billion people across the globe and killed between 151,700 and 575,400 people, according to the CDC.

West African Ebola epidemic: 2014-2016
Ebola ravaged West Africa between 2014 and 2016, with 28,600 reported cases and 11,325 deaths. There is no known cure.
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He didn't return then, so I don't believe that just because the world is going through a pandemic or a crisis, it necessarily means that Jesus is going to return.
It does mean that people have a tendency to believe that the world is ending when things get rough. Don't worry guys, we've been through this before, and we'll get through it again.

Ecclesiastes 1:9
What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.

Greetings sister

May I add

1840 until 1883, scarlet fever became one of the most common infectious childhood disease to cause death in most of the major metropolitan centers of Europe and the United States, with case fatality rates that reached or exceeded 30% in some areas–eclipsing even measles, diptheria, and pertussis.

Scarlet Fever is the highest in England for 50 years!

A study of the disease found an unexpected sharp rise in cases in 2014. Up until that year, the number of scarlet fever cases in England had massively declined over the past century.

Up until 2013, cases were at a low of around 3 to 8 cases for every 100,000 people. However, in 2014 this suddenly shot up to 27 per 100,000, reaching 33 per 100,000 in 2016.

These are increases in pestilences as prophesied.

Christ didn't return after the majority of pestilences you mention, why? The time wasn't right, why? Because the Jews had not returned to the promised land, the land that was barren would again become a land of milk and honey, on the 14 May 1948 Israel became a state again, since then we have seen additional Pestilences, but they are now getting more frequent. They include as you say, Asian flu, Swine flu, plus... HIV, MERS, SARS, Super Bugs and COVID-19.

The end times has run for 2000 years, the latter days started in 1948, and the time left is getting shorter by the minute. We are to watch and be ready.

Blessings

 

[Brother-Paul]

It is indeed a small world, my sister lives in Littlehampton and when this lock down is over I'll be going down to see her, maybe we could meet up sometime? bless you bro.

Is that towards Brighton?

 

[Trevor]

Is that towards Brighton?

about ten miles or so.

 

[NYQueens977]

Greetings sister

May I add

1840 until 1883, scarlet fever became one of the most common infectious childhood disease to cause death in most of the major metropolitan centers of Europe and the United States, with case fatality rates that reached or exceeded 30% in some areas–eclipsing even measles, diptheria, and pertussis.

Scarlet Fever is the highest in England for 50 years!

A study of the disease found an unexpected sharp rise in cases in 2014. Up until that year, the number of scarlet fever cases in England had massively declined over the past century.

Up until 2013, cases were at a low of around 3 to 8 cases for every 100,000 people. However, in 2014 this suddenly shot up to 27 per 100,000, reaching 33 per 100,000 in 2016.

These are increases in pestilences as prophesied.

Christ didn't return after the majority of pestilences you mention, why? The time wasn't right, why? Because the Jews had not returned to the promised land, the land that was barren would again become a land of milk and honey, on the 14 May 1948 Israel became a state again, since then we have seen additional Pestilences, but they are now getting more frequent. They include as you say, Asian flu, Swine flu, plus... HIV, MERS, SARS, Super Bugs and COVID-19.

The end times has run for 2000 years, the latter days started in 1948, and the time left is getting shorter by the minute. We are to watch and be ready.

Blessings

Not even the Son knows when the end times are, so who are we to say that we do? We don't. I would rather wait and see what happens, but this is pandemic is no different from all of the other pandemics that we have suffered as a species, so I don't see a reason to be on extra high alert.

 

[Ivan Chamurliev]

Not even the Son knows when the end times are, so who are we to say that we do? We don't. I would rather wait and see what happens, but this is pandemic is no different from all of the other pandemics that we have suffered as a species, so I don't see a reason to be on extra high alert.

You might be right that there always have been pandemics and other similar occurrences, but I think that as Christians we always need to be on alert. If things are doing well, if things are getting worse, we always need to be watchful. Not by chance Jesus commanded us to do that since 2000 years ago. Matthew 24:42. This is an attitude that always need to be in us. And we need to remember that Jesus will return when people less expect. When it will be apparently fine for some people.
But if we are awake and we walk as Christians we should watch the signs and always consider. It doesn't mean that we have to over panic or take senseless decisions, but in our heart we need to be always ready. Bless you.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Not even the Son knows when the end times are, so who are we to say that we do? We don't. I would rather wait and see what happens, but this is pandemic is no different from all of the other pandemics that we have suffered as a species, so I don't see a reason to be on extra high alert.

The fact that no one knows the day or the hour Jesus will return, only The Father in heaven, doesn't mean Jesus doesn't know we are on the end times. The end times started after Jesus' ministry, death and resurrection, it also doesn't mean Jesus doesn't know we are in the latter days of the end times. I believe he does, he just doesn't yet know the day or hour he will return in Glory.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Not even the Son knows when the end times are, so who are we to say that we do? We don't. I would rather wait and see what happens, but this is pandemic is no different from all of the other pandemics that we have suffered as a species, so I don't see a reason to be on extra high alert.

It is true to say there have been many pandemics, scripture calls these pestilences, they have all been different in strength, type, number of deaths they caused etc, but they are all pestilences.

Now there is a big difference with the latest pestilences, compared to the older ones, and the difference is timing...

Prior to 1948, it is clear from scripture we were not in the 'latter days', many thought we were but it couldn't be. Why? A very important prophesy had not been fulfilled first, what was this prophesy? It was that the Jews which had been scattered to the far ends of the earth had to return. The land which was once milk and honey, became desolate when the Jews were scattered by God, but He also said, 'The Jews will return', and return they did. On 14 May 1948 Israel was again declared a state, the 'latter days' of the end times was conceived.

Now scripture is clear that in the 'latter days' there will be an increase in pestilences, look at your list and the additions I added earlier. Initially there were pestilences that were spread out some 100 years gap, others more, but from 1948 we have seen a large increase in the pestilences, scripture says there will be an increase in the latter days, and the Jews have returned, and Israel is again declared a state.

Asian Flu: 1957-1958

AIDS 1981

Swine Flu 2009-2010

Ebola 2014-2016

There have also been, MERS, SARS, Super bugs and Covid-19

All these are pestilences, all these are after Israel became a state again, fulfilling this vital prophesy. Note the increase in pestilences, as prophesied, more of them and more frequent.

Christ couldn't return until Israel had become a state again, it has.

We are told in these times we will also see.
- wars and rumours of wars
- increase in pestilences (mentioned above)
- hardening of hearts
- children being disobedient to their parents (and elders)
- there will be a form of godliness without its attributes, people will be lovers of them self and not lovers of God
- man will go with man and woman with woman, they will be repaid in their own kind (wages of sin is death)

All these things and more are clear to see today.

Christ can return at anytime, but there is also the tribulation periods to consider.

- Some say Christ will return Pre-Trib, if so that means He can return anytime, everything is in place
- Some say mid-Trib, this means the saved souls will live through the Tribulation period, this could be so.
- Some say end of Trib and Great Trib period, this means saved souls will experience some terrible scenes, this could be.

As for which is correct, many have argued over the years, all coming up with their own arguments for each case, so we are left with the following...
- Christ can come any day, that literally means any day, even today.
- Those who set there hearts on Mid or End Trib could be very disappointed if He returns pre Trib!

There is only one answer, I believe, that is be like the 5 wise of the ten virgins, be ready at all times, there is no second chance.

Shalom

 

[Lion of God]

I beleive it is a sign of the end times ,but you can't look at the virus alone ,it's only onepeice of the puzzle ,the OLD world is undergoing total distruction,in preparation for the anti-christ.Who will come to restore false peace and ring in the New WOrld order where everyone becomes one ,stay vigilant guys ,keep reading God's word ,remember to pray and fast.Love you all.Shalom

 

[Trevor]

Greetings sister

May I add

1840 until 1883, scarlet fever became one of the most common infectious childhood disease to cause death in most of the major metropolitan centers of Europe and the United States, with case fatality rates that reached or exceeded 30% in some areas–eclipsing even measles, diptheria, and pertussis.

Scarlet Fever is the highest in England for 50 years!

A study of the disease found an unexpected sharp rise in cases in 2014. Up until that year, the number of scarlet fever cases in England had massively declined over the past century.

Up until 2013, cases were at a low of around 3 to 8 cases for every 100,000 people. However, in 2014 this suddenly shot up to 27 per 100,000, reaching 33 per 100,000 in 2016.

These are increases in pestilences as prophesied.

Christ didn't return after the majority of pestilences you mention, why? The time wasn't right, why? Because the Jews had not returned to the promised land, the land that was barren would again become a land of milk and honey, on the 14 May 1948 Israel became a state again, since then we have seen additional Pestilences, but they are now getting more frequent. They include as you say, Asian flu, Swine flu, plus... HIV, MERS, SARS, Super Bugs and COVID-19.

The end times has run for 2000 years, the latter days started in 1948, and the time left is getting shorter by the minute. We are to watch and be ready.

Blessings

I don't believe it is the pandemic, that is a sign of the end times Per se. Partly because, it is commonly believed that this virus has been designed by man, taking it out of the previous pandemics that were natural. It seems that for many years, there have been people intent on bringing about a one world government, or a New World Order if you will. This, I do believe is an end times phenomenon. I'm not convinced that a N.W.O. will completely dominate the earth, because many prophesies point to the war of Armageddon where Israel will be centre stage and the other nations will take sides. There is talk of Gog and Magog teaming up with Rome and other nations taking an opposite side. Where does this leave the mark of the beast? Well, that is, as the scriptures say, a monetary phenomenon and so will likely be introduced by the banking fraternity, many of whom are involved in the N.W.O. The coronavirus pandemic has proved to be a valuable aid to the N.W.O. in that it has enabled them to bring in track and trace, which could be a forerunner of the mark of the beast. Any Ideas?

 

[Brad Huber]

It hasnt caused all the deaths that were forecast, the flu has still done worse, it is a real disease, no doubt of it, but it is becoming more believed to be an engineered virus that china with the help of US (and fauci) in funding, and others fingers in the pie, like Soros and Gates, all made happen. It wasnt really important that it be more deadly than the flu, just that it had to seem that way enough, to control people more, take away more rights, increase fears, to either make the ppl more docile, or to cause more chaos if they rebel against it. Either way serves the desire of those wanting a new world order, because a new world order cannot happen unless the ppl either submit to it or when it comes slowly by force, chaos erupts, the fabric of civilization begins coming apart, ppl not trusting "police", and the UN will be called upon to quell where police are not trusted, and the new world order which is already a huge part of the UN, will take over, and then submission wont matter as much, it will be enforced by the end of a gun.

 

[PloughBoy]

I beleive it is a sign of the end times ,but you can't look at the virus alone ,it's only onepeice of the puzzle ,the OLD world is undergoing total distruction,in preparation for the anti-christ.Who will come to restore false peace and ring in the New WOrld order where everyone becomes one ,stay vigilant guys ,keep reading God's word ,remember to pray and fast.Love you all.Shalom

There are so many different definitions of the term "end times" which definition are you referring to? The next 3000, next 2000, 1500 or between now and "The Rapture", or after the "The Rapture" and then the "Thousand year Reign" then the destruction of this world and "The Great White Judgment"? Just trying to figure out which event you are referring to.

 

[Brother-Paul]

I don't believe it is the pandemic, that is a sign of the end times Per se. Partly because, it is commonly believed that this virus has been designed by man, taking it out of the previous pandemics that were natural. It seems that for many years, there have been people intent on bringing about a one world government, or a New World Order if you will. This, I do believe is an end times phenomenon. I'm not convinced that a N.W.O. will completely dominate the earth, because many prophesies point to the war of Armageddon where Israel will be centre stage and the other nations will take sides. There is talk of Gog and Magog teaming up with Rome and other nations taking an opposite side. Where does this leave the mark of the beast? Well, that is, as the scriptures say, a monetary phenomenon and so will likely be introduced by the banking fraternity, many of whom are involved in the N.W.O. The coronavirus pandemic has proved to be a valuable aid to the N.W.O. in that it has enabled them to bring in track and trace, which could be a forerunner of the mark of the beast. Any Ideas?

Greeting brother.

Regarding the Covid-19 pandemic, the pandemic isn't a sign in itself, but I believe it is one of the many items that make up the end time prophesies.

Covid-19, Ebola, Sars, Aids, etc, are pestilences, there have been many before, many listed on here, scarlet fever, black death etc. The difference now is they are closer together, only years apart not 50, 100 or more years apart. The other key figure in the collection of events is... 14 May 1948, Israel was declared a state again. This I believe is the key taking us into the latter days of the end times.

But as mentioned it is just one item. Scripture tells us, there will be wars and rumours of wars, there certainly are and more than ever. There will be an increase in earth quakes and Pestilences, pestilences we have just discussed, but look at earth quakes, statistics confirm over the last 50-100 years they have not just got more common, even more in recent years, but they are getting stronger.

Scripture says, there will be a hardening of hearts, children will be disobedient to their parents, people will be lovers of themselves and not the One True God. It is clear to see.

Scripture also says, man will go with man and woman with woman. God said he would never flood the whole world again, but towards the end there will be raging waters in diverse places, there has been flooding all over the world, including Israel, including strage as it sounds the Sahara dessert!

All these and more tell me time is short, because when we see these things, Jesus called them birth pangs, we know the end is near.

Thanks be to God brother, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Amen

 

[Ivan Chamurliev]

I don't believe it is the pandemic, that is a sign of the end times Per se. Partly because, it is commonly believed that this virus has been designed by man, taking it out of the previous pandemics that were natural. It seems that for many years, there have been people intent on bringing about a one world government, or a New World Order if you will. This, I do believe is an end times phenomenon. I'm not convinced that a N.W.O. will completely dominate the earth, because many prophesies point to the war of Armageddon where Israel will be centre stage and the other nations will take sides. There is talk of Gog and Magog teaming up with Rome and other nations taking an opposite side. Where does this leave the mark of the beast? Well, that is, as the scriptures say, a monetary phenomenon and so will likely be introduced by the banking fraternity, many of whom are involved in the N.W.O. The coronavirus pandemic has proved to be a valuable aid to the N.W.O. in that it has enabled them to bring in track and trace, which could be a forerunner of the mark of the beast. Any Ideas?

Hi Trevor. I just think that when God spoke in His word about pestilences, He didn't specify who was going to create them. As pestilences, same with the polution of the sea, the ozone layer being continually destroyed by what the man is doing, etc. Of course that there will be other plaques that will be sent by God Himself, but when I see Jesus speaking in Matthew 24 and Luke 21 about what will happen, including pestilences, I see Him prophesying as well about what is about to happen. He doesn't specify who exactly will create or provoke all of this.
Even if this is an end time sign, I think that we mustn't think that everything will finish tomorrow (or perhaps). It might take some time until the rest of the signs get accomplished and obviously the corona virus might be only one of the pestilences. I mean that there might be others coming and this one, including the hardship we are going through maybe is here just to prepare us for what is about to come. God surely doesn't measure or look at time as we do.
And we need to consider that the way God might be involved in this plaque is by allowing someone to create it, but these are only my thoughts.
And we have to remember that Jesus said that in the last times lawlessness will abound. Matthew 24:12
That means that He predicted what this lawlessness will cause. So even if the man invented it, it is because of his lawlessness. Some of the plaques that God predicted about will come just by Him letting us be what we really are. We are capable of destroying ourselves. Maybe in this way we can see that we really need Him and that without Him, we can't do any good.
This is what I think. What are your thoughts on this?

 

[PloughBoy]

One thing for sure i notice, that the media is low keyed about updated news. And another cue is that, as long as there are no testing for the virus, there is no virus.

There was no cure for the virus, can that mean, the virus has just melted alway? Many scenarios can develop in such consciousness.

It only puts a true christian in a state, "whats next"?

We have had a strong culture changes, storms of all sorts, fires, floods, droughts, economic, industries, oil,...etc.

Now what is next? Have anything really recovered? or just bandaid application and no antibiotics. Mmmm. that do not sound good.

 

[Lion of God]

There are so many different definitions of the term "end times" which definition are you referring to? The next 3000, next 2000, 1500 or between now and "The Rapture", or after the "The Rapture" and then the "Thousand year Reign" then the destruction of this world and "The Great White Judgment"? Just trying to figure out which event you are referring to.

We know not when Jesus is going to return ,i firmly stand on the word of Almighty God ,Im refering to the signs Jesus mentioned in mathew 24 ,though he send that the end is not yet come he was referring to his coming but the beginning of sorrows Matt 24:08

 

[PloughBoy]

We know not when Jesus is going to return ,i firmly stand on the word of Almighty God ,Im refering to the signs Jesus mentioned in mathew 24 ,though he send that the end is not yet come he was referring to his coming but the beginning of sorrows Matt 24:08

You are referring to the "Olivet Discourse" in which Jesus was ask 3 questions. And He answered them in 3 separated events. remember if reading with a very good translation of any language that has good grammar syntax, the events shows up plainly, if not, it shows up shabby.

 

[Lion of God]

You are referring to the "Olivet Discourse" in which Jesus was ask 3 questions. And He answered them in 3 separated events. remember if reading with a very good translation of any language that has good grammar syntax, the events shows up plainly, if not, it shows up shabby.

Thank you my brother i will do more research .

 

[Brother-Paul]

Hi Trevor. I just think that when God spoke in His word about pestilences, He didn't specify who was going to create them. As pestilences, same with the polution of the sea, the ozone layer being continually destroyed by what the man is doing, etc. Of course that there will be other plaques that will be sent by God Himself, but when I see Jesus speaking in Matthew 24 and Luke 21 about what will happen, including pestilences, I see Him prophesying as well about what is about to happen. He doesn't specify who exactly will create or provoke all of this.
Even if this is an end time sign, I think that we mustn't think that everything will finish tomorrow (or perhaps). It might take some time until the rest of the signs get accomplished and obviously the corona virus might be only one of the pestilences. I mean that there might be others coming and this one, including the hardship we are going through maybe is here just to prepare us for what is about to come. God surely doesn't measure or look at time as we do.
And we need to consider that the way God might be involved in this plaque is by allowing someone to create it, but these are only my thoughts.
And we have to remember that Jesus said that in the last times lawlessness will abound. Matthew 24:12
That means that He predicted what this lawlessness will cause. So even if the man invented it, it is because of his lawlessness. Some of the plaques that God predicted about will come just by Him letting us be what we really are. We are capable of destroying ourselves. Maybe in this way we can see that we really need Him and that without Him, we can't do any good.
This is what I think. What are your thoughts on this?

I'm in total agreement here Ivan.

The Bible tells us about the pestilences, it doesn't say whether from God or the devil though man. The important part for us is to know about pestilences, not who created them. The items we read in Matthews Gospel tell of the events in the latter days, in the end times, it is in Revelation we read lists the Woes and more, God will pour out in His Wrath on the unbelieving world.

Jesus tells us that these things are the birth pangs, by seeing these, by recognising scripture tells us, and by recognising Israel has become a state again, it is clear, to me, we are in the latter days, birth pangs come towards the end, in fact at the end, they just increase towards the end. This is what we are seeing pestilences increasing, more in a shorter period of time and getting stronger. Earth quakes, increasing more in these latter years in number and in strength. We need to be like the five wise of the ten virgins, ready for our Lord's return at any time.

Shalom

 

[Brother-Paul]

One thing for sure i notice, that the media is low keyed about updated news. And another cue is that, as long as there are no testing for the virus, there is no virus.

There was no cure for the virus, can that mean, the virus has just melted alway? Many scenarios can develop in such consciousness.

It only puts a true christian in a state, "whats next"?

We have had a strong culture changes, storms of all sorts, fires, floods, droughts, economic, industries, oil,...etc.

Now what is next? Have anything really recovered? or just bandaid application and no antibiotics. Mmmm. that do not sound good.

Greetings brother

So true my friend, God is shaking the world for its ungodliness.

This virus as hit all worldly pleasures like nothing before it, finance, holidays, transport, health and so much more, across the whole world!

The luxuries so many people take for granted, worldly luxuries, all hit by just one pestilences.

Many are crying out, when will I be able to go abroad, when will I be able to go on holiday again, they cannot go abroad, they cannot holiday in their own country.

They do not know what to do, when will things return to normal they say, 'normal'. They say how they I survive, I might die, they look at self and everywhere except to Jesus.

I do not believe this pestilence is not over, there may be a second wave, some are experiencing this now, including Israel that did so well first time round. I will be surprised if it doesn't return, if it doesn't we can be sure of another, maybe as strong, may be stronger. I admit this is my view, I am sure others will have their own thoughts. Some countries have done better than others in preparation and coping, some have done worse, over 400,000 souls left the planet, and that is based on figures we know, it could be half a million, maybe more. Admitted some elderly may have died of flu or pneumonia and are listed as dying of covid-19, but it is still a lot of people. How many souls could have been saved, I ask myself did I pray for salvation of all souls in the world soon enough, I think not, Lord forgive me.

A lot is happening, a lot more is coming, that we can be sure of.

God is shaking the world for its ungodliness, and rightfully so.

Just my thoughts my friend.

Shalom