Demon-possessed

[Cactus Kitten]

I agree with Andy in that an indwelt Christian cannot be possessed.
1 John 4:4
Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

 

[Bill]

I agree with Andy in that an indwelt Christian cannot be possessed.
1 John 4:4
Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

Any Christain can be possessed. Once you are under the impression that you can never sin or be possessed , just because you are a Christian. Then the father of lies will use you as puddy.

Christians put thier pants on one leg at a time, just like all of humanity. They are not above or beneath anyone . But what separates us from others, we Know who are Daddy is.

Just because your name is written in Heaven, will not stop you from throwing the pearls into the swine pens

 

[Gregoryp]

Light always overcomes darkness. We will and do prevail. If your under constant battle with demons, this tells everyone your a threat to that deciever and liar Satan. He will stop at nothing to distract and malign you. Turn to the lord for your sword and shield via his word and his mighty name. They will soon tremble and flee.

 

[Andyindauk]

Any Christain can be possessed. Once you are under the impression that you can never sin or be possessed , just because you are a Christian. Then the father of lies will use you as puddy.

Christians put thier pants on one leg at a time, just like all of humanity. They are not above or beneath anyone . But what separates us from others, we Know who are Daddy is.

Just because your name is written in Heaven, will not stop you from throwing the pearls into the swine pens

Hi ya Bill,

When I read your post I started racking my brains, thinking and asking myself, 'where is there an example in the Bible of anyone who was demon possessed and a man of God (Old Testament) or a Christian (New Testament)?' Closest I came to was King Saul. 1 Samuel 19:23, not exactly convincing evidence, that was just a temporary state of mind. Immediately afterwards the Holy Spirit exited Saul and the murdererous demon resumed control of his head. Maybe there are better examples that I've overlooked?

In the Gospels and Acts there are many accounts of poor unfortunates who are demon possessed coming into conflict with Jesus and and the gospel. Top priority for either Jesus or the evangelist is to rid the person in question of his or her demon possession. There are no examples of this being a gradual process, the Holy Spirit cannot and will not share lodgings with a demon. The unbeliever has a binary choice to make, you either accept Jesus or reject him and Jesus himself said that if you don't accept him then you have rejected him. Your faith cannot be your pasttime or your hobby, no it has to be your imperative, the reason you get up in the morning, God wants to be your everything.

That's not to say there won't be slip-ups, there won't be times when you backslide or sometimes fall off the wagon altogether, like the prodigal son. But that's not demon possession, if a demon is in control of your head then you are not a Christian. I suggested to the OP that Satan can try to deceive a Christian that he's in control, but he isn't, don't fall for it. What is more likely is that he may have a mental health issue and that Satan is exploiting that to try to convince him that he's possessed. From his post, Satan clearly isn't in control and more likely he just needs to get some therapy.

So in summary, yes I slip up, yes I sin, probably more than pretty much everyone in this forum but that doesn't mean to say I am possessed by a demon. No it means that I am filled with the Holy Spirit as per Jesus's promise to me but every now and again there's a bump in the road, as serious as that. Thank goodness that every single one of those sins are covered by the death of Jesus. Thank you Jesus, thank you God.

 

[Br. Bear]

we Know who are Daddy is...

Finally he came to his senses and said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have plenty of food? But here I am, starving to death! I will get up and go back to my father and say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Make me like one of your hired servants.” ’

So he got up and went to his father. But while he was still in the distance, his father saw him and was filled with compassion. He ran to his son, embraced him, and kissed him.
Luke 15:17-20

 

[Bill]

Hi ya Bill,

When I read your post I started racking my brains, thinking and asking myself, 'where is there an example in the Bible of anyone who was demon possessed and a man of God (Old Testament) or a Christian (New Testament)?' Closest I came to was King Saul. 1 Samuel 19:23, not exactly convincing evidence, that was just a temporary state of mind. Immediately afterwards the Holy Spirit exited Saul and the murdererous demon resumed control of his head. Maybe there are better examples that I've overlooked?

In the Gospels and Acts there are many accounts of poor unfortunates who are demon possessed coming into conflict with Jesus and and the gospel. Top priority for either Jesus or the evangelist is to rid the person in question of his or her demon possession. There are no examples of this being a gradual process, the Holy Spirit cannot and will not share lodgings with a demon. The unbeliever has a binary choice to make, you either accept Jesus or reject him and Jesus himself said that if you don't accept him then you have rejected him. Your faith cannot be your pasttime or your hobby, no it has to be your imperative, the reason you get up in the morning, God wants to be your everything.

That's not to say there won't be slip-ups, there won't be times when you backslide or sometimes fall off the wagon altogether, like the prodigal son. But that's not demon possession, if a demon is in control of your head then you are not a Christian. I suggested to the OP that Satan can try to deceive a Christian that he's in control, but he isn't, don't fall for it. What is more likely is that he may have a mental health issue and that Satan is exploiting that to try to convince him that he's possessed. From his post, Satan clearly isn't in control and more likely he just needs to get some therapy.

So in summary, yes I slip up, yes I sin, probably more than pretty much everyone in this forum but that doesn't mean to say I am possessed by a demon. No it means that I am filled with the Holy Spirit as per Jesus's promise to me but every now and again there's a bump in the road, as serious as that. Thank goodness that every single one of those sins are covered by the death of Jesus. Thank you Jesus, thank you God.

May the Lord Jesus protect us and fill us with His love.

I have worked with both Ministers and Priests as an aid to helping with Deliverance over a number of years.

A case that took place some years ago . A Christian woman was experiencing demonic attacks of a sever nature. The Ministers in her church contacted friends of mine ( its how i got involved )

She was not only inflicted , but also sever possession. I would say the worst i had seen.

This will blow most people here away. She has been a Born Again Christian for many years before this moment took place. She has Gifts of the Holy Spirit . Mostly in teaching.

To make a long story short and not including all the crazy details .

We discovered the first demon to possess her came from her mom. She was not married and stated out loud, " damn you to hell, because of you i have to get married "

This gave a demon permission to enter her while still in the womb. In all there were 13 demons . The last one being the first to enter, was very strong. And even for us using the name of Jesus, could not remove it. I was the lead on this deliverance. And i prostrated before Jesus, asking Him to come and personally take the demon out.

After this, her face glowed .

I am a witness to these events.

I know there are many things that happen that can not be explained, its why i dont set limits on God and His word.

Just remember Jesus own words , there is more than what is written.

" others will come and do even greater works than I"
And the Apostles words " not everything that happened was written down"

I know you guys like finding everything in Scripture to verify your faith. But i am telling you, faith alone is something that can not always be verified. Its why we call it faith.

Is Christianity only a church of verification . No faith anymore . Just confermations. If so then you limit God by your non-belief . Learn to recognize the movement of the Holy Spirit within you

 

[Cactus Kitten]

Any Christain can be possessed. Once you are under the impression that you can never sin or be possessed , just because you are a Christian. Then the father of lies will use you as puddy.

Christians put thier pants on one leg at a time, just like all of humanity. They are not above or beneath anyone . But what separates us from others, we Know who are Daddy is.

Just because your name is written in Heaven, will not stop you from throwing the pearls into the swine pens

I'm speaking of indwelt (by the holy spirit of God) Christians.
The father of lies would hope to lead one to believe he is more powerful than the holy spirit of God. And as such is able to take up residence within the temple of and to God that is the believer in God;the indwelt Christian.

 

[Bill]

I'm speaking of indwelt (by the holy spirit of God) Christians.
The father of lies would hope to lead one to believe he is more powerful than the holy spirit of God. And as such is able to take up residence within the temple of and to God that is the believer in God;the indwelt Christian.

I seem to have a little problem with the computer right now but I do have something to say

 

[Gregoryp]

Light always overcomes darkness. We will and do prevail. If your under constant battle with demons, this tells everyone your a threat to that deciever and liar Satan. He will stop at nothing to distract and malign you. Turn to the lord for your sword and shield via his word and his mighty name. They will soon tremble and flee.

 

[Cactus Kitten]

The believer is in Christ. That means we are one of his. If Satan or a Demon can overcome the holy spirit residing in us, as some denominations seem to teach, then Satan and the Demon's are more powerful than is the holy spirit.

What I think may be causing confusion about that is that while those in Christ, the indwelt Christian, cannot be possessed we are able, as always, to be beset by Satan and his Demons. That is not the same thing as possession.

Can Christians Be Demon-Possessed? Theologians Answer

Born-again Christians, filled with the Holy Spirit, cannot be possessed by demons, theologians have argued

www.christianpost.com

 

[Downunder]

the indwelt Christian, cannot be possessed we are able, as always, to be beset by Satan and his Demons. That is not the same thing as possession.

Yes spot on there Cactus.
As a Spirit-filled Christian I can share that this does not prevent me from being a target from our adversary - trials and tribulations galore to weary one down and to rob us of our joy in the Lord.

1Peter 5:8 Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.
9 Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same kinds of suffering are being experienced by your brethren throughout the world.
10 And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you.

 

[Bill]

I have been having some difficulty replying here , seems to post in triplicate. Lol

 

[Br. Bear]

I have been having some difficulty replying here , seems to post in triplicate. Lol

i think that might be sorted now, Brother

Grace and Peace in Christ Jesus the Lord


Bless you ....><>

 

[joestue]

To make a long story short and not including all the crazy details .

I believe it, sometimes you need prophetic help from God just to know who to talk to and who not with regard to these kinds of things.

A little over 18 months ago i saw a generational curse in a dream and heard "cursed from the womb with a spirit of powerlessness"
I didn't know who the dream concerned but in the dream I was able to look into the chain and shackles and see that every link of the chain was a spirit or a sin. then there were sins holding the shackle to the person's left ankle.

What i think this represents is that the "generational curse" might persist in a family but skip the person who repents.

So anyhow I started praying about that dream because i thought that it concerned someone else, but then i started to realize it was me. around that time i was strongly told "do not go into her before that curse is broken" *. anyhow, started having some rather strange experiences.. consistent with sins I committed in the womb. after getting rid of it, it felt like an invisible glass ceiling was removed from my life. my brother noticed as well.

If you have read the "theophostic prayer ministry basic seminar edition" (i can send you a copy, you might like it 300+ pages) The author suspends judgement on trauma in the womb, but acknowledges that he has seen many people experience things consistent with being in the womb, when they are praying asking God to heal the root cause of their issues.. such as depression, etc. I have not read the book completely but i suspect there is mention of sin committed in the womb, as well as lies believed in the womb.

*at the time i was not even close to being tempted, for various reasons, so it was interesting hearing that warning. we're getting married this year.

I was sort of passively asking God why the curse was there in the first place and the only word i kept hearing is "witchcraft" associated with my mom. i have some suspicions, but it seems like she doesn't remember much of my childhood either anymore.. so, no point in talking to her it seems, unless i was to really confront them again about what was going on, but it doesn't seem to be worth the trouble.

 

[Cactus Kitten]

I have been having some difficulty replying here , seems to post in triplicate. Lol

I'm so glad you mentioned that. I thought there was something off with my settings seeing three of the same posts in one thread.

 

[Downunder]

I'm so glad you mentioned that. I thought there was something off with my settings seeing three of the same posts in one thread.

They uphold the doctrine of the Trinity here on Talk Jesus.

 

[Cactus Kitten]

They uphold the doctrine of the Trinity here on Talk Jesus.

 

[Gregoryp]

So now I can post in peace, without having it in triplicate?

 

[Bill]

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i think that might be sorted now, Brother

Grace and Peace in Christ Jesus the Lord


Bless you ....><>

Thanks ( lol ) dont mind this post , those are players names in a game .

 

[Bill]

The believer is in Christ. That means we are one of his. If Satan or a Demon can overcome the holy spirit residing in us, as some denominations seem to teach, then Satan and the Demon's are more powerful than is the holy spirit.

What I think may be causing confusion about that is that while those in Christ, the indwelt Christian, cannot be possessed we are able, as always, to be beset by Satan and his Demons. That is not the same thing as possession.

Can Christians Be Demon-Possessed? Theologians Answer

Born-again Christians, filled with the Holy Spirit, cannot be possessed by demons, theologians have argued

www.christianpost.com

I just shared with you my own experience . I do know how to recognize the movement of the Holy Spirit in me, even when it is that whispering wind.
Go read the books of the " experts " , thank God i am not one of those.
I am certain if you talk with enough people that have done deliverance , you will find plenty of Witnessed topics that can not be explained by the experts