Different Eras discussion

[PloughBoy]

The people who are saved during the Old Testament era, The People who are saved in the New Testament era "The Body of Christ" group who are the Ones, who will "Reign" with Jesus Christ as "Kings and Priest", joint heirs, "Adopted Sons" in whom the whole earth is waiting for their redemption. for Jesus is The King of Those kings, He is The LORD of those Lords" and They will Rule together forever and ever and ever in eternity, Then we have those who are saved during "The Great Tribulation" that no one has ever seen or have ever have been, and they never accepted the "mark of the beast"! they where torture, murdered, they starved, they died from the lack of heat, they died from the heat. but they would not deny their "Savior" and received the "mark of the beast" and these are the ones that Came out of The "Great Tribulation"! for they had no comfort in this "Tribulation" for The Holy Spirit had been taken out of the World, [The Restrainer]. THEY LOVE NOT THEIR LIVES UNTO DEATH! Now after the "Coronation" In Heaven, The Second coming of Christ, HIS Saints, And Angels, which is the collective Armies of Heaven, is coming to the rescue those who remain on earth, for "their Days has been shorten" and on their "Approach" The assign Angels are Scatter through all the earth to separate "The Wheat from the Tare" a New Era is coming into play, Known as "The Millennium" The Reign of Jesus Christ and a group better know as "The Church" But are "The SONS of GOD" Born of His SPIRIT, and wash in HIS blood, "A Peculiar People" and They Look Just Like HIM, the 1st of a New Creation! A New BrotherHood. "A Royal Priesthood" and;.

American Standard Version
"And they that are wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."
(Daniel 12).

And in that "Millennium" they also will live and died, some unto eternal life and some unto eternal damnation. And the end is not yet. Some will not see death, some will, before that dreadful day.

I am going to stop there.

 

[B-A-C]

Actually the Bible says just the opposite, only the ones beheaded during the tribulation are specifically mentioned to reign with Jesus during the millennial reign.

Rev 20:1; Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2; And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
Rev 20:3; and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.
Rev 20:4; Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Rev 20:5; The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6; Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

 

[PloughBoy]

How can you say the opposite: when it comes straight from the BIBLE, The teaching is through out "The Propthetic Books"!

"The Letter to the 7 churches of Asia" is "The Revealing of Jesus Christ", "The unveiling of Jesus" Which we call "The Book of Revelation"

"The Propthetic Books" shows us our events and shines light upon the Letters in Corinthians, Thessalonians, and Jude. Just like they showed us the coming of Jesus. They also shows to other events in time. The OT testament Prophets did not understand a lot of things they were saying sometimes. That is why we are more bless than them in our understanding what they were prohesying, Like we of the "regeneration" are greater Than John the Baptist"

I think you do not know who you are going to be and your role in "Eternity" The "'Body of Christ" was hidden in 'Christ"! Satan did not see this coming neither did the "Phophets of OLD" Old Testament People were called "The People of GOD" We are Called "The Sons Of GOD" and The 12 Patriarchs of The OT has Thrones"

My brothers and Sisters in Christ our events are not "DULL" There is a lot to happen before The Great White Throne Judgement. You all are in for a RIDE!

No wonder so many christians are boring most have no idea of the events to take place. "before we get there" alot of excitement. God reveal these events to us in His WORD! "He is a rewarder to those who diligently seek HIM"

The rewards for that are beyond your imagination. These rewards are not earthly things! No wonder most Christians are not excited about the coming of Jesus. "The Rapture" They dont know. They have no exictement! I really feel, I really feel sad, about the things that are available for Christians to experience the things to come that are available to them. Jesus has made it plain: 'Me and my Father will come in and sup with them." If God the Father and Jesus the Son has come to your house, they are not going to be talking about the weather, and who is going to win the next election and why, and how do you feel today!

Many do not understand this i know. most don't. Sinner do not seek GOD, The Born from above, people are commanded to seek GOD. Once you have become saved, you have to seek GOD. But Pride is still in us, it did not leave over night. Christians do not like to hear that!

1If then ye were raised together with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated on the right hand of God. 2Set your mind on the things that are above, not on the things that are upon the earth. 3For ye died, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 4When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then shall ye also with him be manifested in glory.

17Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. 18(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) 20For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: 21Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

The Old testament reveals the Light in the New Testament. And The New Testament shows the light on The Old Testament. you cannot understand Jesus and His coming without knowing the OT. It is impossible, For God has design it that way. A lot of events are describe in the OT.

I see now, Christians are not into the "VOLUME OF THE BOOK" that GOD may bless them into these events. that is why they are running to every Tom, Mick and Harry, To be honest they give me a headache, when they discuss 'The Book of Revelation" The Book of Revelation has never been a problem for me. I guess because I had read the bible from front to back maybe 6 to 8 before even heard of eschatology or the Rapture and the Great Tribulation,and Second Coming and the 1000 year reign, Joint reign of Christ, The New Jerusalem coming from the sky and that is where we rule in the 1000 year reign. and the 12 gates of the city and those outside of the city, and the encampment of those who surround and God destroys them, and the Judgments and punishments take place and how we the "body of Christ" Judge ANGELS and The world" from the BOOKS that are open, And God the Father carry out HIS justice. and He destorys the whole "Cosmos" and Heaven too! These things are told plainly just by reading THE WHOLE BOOK. THEN YOU BECOME SHOCK FINDING OUT THERE ARE LABELS FOR THESE EVENTS. That you already know.

Then HE creates something brand new, that has NEVER existed, something that could never come to your earthly or Heavenly Mind. And every moment through out eternity will blow your Heavenly mind! I did not say everyday, i said every moment throughout eternity will blow your heavenly new created mind. I did not have labels for events, i just knew what the Bible said was going to happen. Then latter i found out there were labels for events. then i found out i was pre-tribulation, concerning the Rapture. according to the events recorded in the BIBLE and the after events. Just because i say i am pre-tri does not mean, i think the whole 9 yards of events some writter has written down. NO way! So if your view of Pre-tri is determine by what you have read by some man, and you apply that to me, is wrong, so one cannot jump to conclussion of what I think. that is like I believe that "Jesus" looks like a Country and Western Star with baby blue eyes with flowing wavy hair" and that you believe it too, just because, that is the picture you have on the wall. No way, i can think you believe that.

I thank GOD i Had not been tainted, before i read the book a number of times, by others teachings. Never read any books concerning "Revelations". I started reading a book called "things to Come" over 35 years ago, cast it away from me. It did not line up with rightly divide scripture.

It is nothing for me to spend reading the bible over 12 hours in a day or more. everyday of the week. The Bible for me come alive, when i read it most of the time, I am there right there on the Road, I see it in living color! Riding chariots, on Sinai Mt., the woman at the well, Elijah, or Elisha crossing the creek, I see it i am right there. I thought every born from above christian was like that,

i am just sharing something about me, just like Paul always shared to us His events throughout his life.

I have had a Lot of suffering too, The more you suffer and the harder the suffering, the more powerful is the Revelation in scripture you receive, i know that is the truth. and the powerful of the attacks from Satan grips you, that you may know he is a real "spiritual" being! And you cannot chase HIm alway either!
Some christians have no idea who satan is, not realizing who he gets His power from! LOL, for those of us who knows, We put our arms around JESUS and whole on tight! If the ArcAngel has to deal with him, and you are nothing but a mortal, speaking I rebuked you satan. LOL, you see He has not got a hold on you before, and place those "Talons" in your Soul", when you receive one of those wounds! You stay close to the house! Most Christians do not realize he likes keeping them around, and let them think they have power over him. God word has already warn you, he is the "Perfect Deceiver" and God made everything it was "Perfect"! LOL!

You see when you really proclaim the Gospel and stay in the Word of GOD, and proclaim the unadulterated truth no matter what!, that is a BIG Red Bulls eye on YOUr CHEST. The devil will tell his demons pay attention to no one but Him! You hit him so hard and make him think twice before he tell that gospel truth again. And if he gets back up, you call me! Because when i get through with him he is going to know he has been in the fight, He is going to stay so close to JESUS, no body will get saved if it is up to him, because he is going to be at the foot of Jesus 24/7, he is not going to open his mouth!

a Lot you think I am playing. "Many are called but few are chosen"! ask "Apsotle Paul" and "Jeremiah" said: " I am not going to say nothing"! God you trick me."

Now Paul said:
(2 Cor. 11).
23Are they servants of Christ? (I am out of my mind to talk like this.) I am more. I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again. 24Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. 25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was pelted with stones, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, 26I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my fellow Jews, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false believers. 27I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked. 28Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches. 29Who is weak, and I do not feel weak? Who is led into sin, and I do not inwardly burn?

You do not volunteer for these missions like this, you are chosen!

I have not seen yet a true warrior of God take pleasure in his mission! And if that Proclaimer does not have a host of wounds on his soul and betrayals and scars, and lonely and cold nights, and cast out and to be consider a enemy against the word of God but true. cannot produce the aroma of a "Suffering Servant" that still loves their accusers and not by words but from their heart.

Shalom

 

[PloughBoy]

Actually the Bible says just the opposite, only the ones beheaded during the tribulation are specifically mentioned to reign with Jesus during the millennial reign.

Rev 20:1; Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2; And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
Rev 20:3; and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.
Rev 20:4; Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Rev 20:5; The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6; Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

The Letter to 7 Churches of Asia and some of the contents are just "SNAPSHOTS"! of events like a person showing you stuff in a photo album.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Greetings @PloughBoy

I have edited your title on this thread to make it a little shorter.

Some of your titles are a little long and may be off putting.
I may do the same on other threads

Blessings

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Greetings @PloughBoy

I have edited your title on this thread to make it a little shorter.

Some of your titles are a little long and may be off putting.
I may do the same on other threads

Blessings

 

[PloughBoy]

Greetings @PloughBoy

I have edited your title on this thread to make it a little shorter.

Some of your titles are a little long and may be off putting.
I may do the same on other threads

Blessings

Great work! I always wanted a editor, but they were to expensive.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Great work! I always wanted a editor, but they were to expensive.

I'm on the job for free

 

[PloughBoy]

Greetings @PloughBoy

I have edited your title on this thread to make it a little shorter.

Some of your titles are a little long and may be off putting.
I may do the same on other threads

Blessings

And feel free to adjust any of my post or threads that you feel that it is necessary.

 

[DieAmartyr]

How can you say the opposite: when it comes straight from the BIBLE, The teaching is through out "The Propthetic Books"!

"The Letter to the 7 churches of Asia" is "The Revealing of Jesus Christ", "The unveiling of Jesus" Which we call "The Book of Revelation"

"The Propthetic Books" shows us our events and shines light upon the Letters in Corinthians, Thessalonians, and Jude. Just like they showed us the coming of Jesus. They also shows to other events in time. The OT testament Prophets did not understand a lot of things they were saying sometimes. That is why we are more bless than them in our understanding what they were prohesying, Like we of the "regeneration" are greater Than John the Baptist"

I think you do not know who you are going to be and your role in "Eternity" The "'Body of Christ" was hidden in 'Christ"! Satan did not see this coming neither did the "Phophets of OLD" Old Testament People were called "The People of GOD" We are Called "The Sons Of GOD" and The 12 Patriarchs of The OT has Thrones"

My brothers and Sisters in Christ our events are not "DULL" There is a lot to happen before The Great White Throne Judgement. You all are in for a RIDE!

No wonder so many christians are boring most have no idea of the events to take place. "before we get there" alot of excitement. God reveal these events to us in His WORD! "He is a rewarder to those who diligently seek HIM"

The rewards for that are beyond your imagination. These rewards are not earthly things! No wonder most Christians are not excited about the coming of Jesus. "The Rapture" They dont know. They have no exictement! I really feel, I really feel sad, about the things that are available for Christians to experience the things to come that are available to them. Jesus has made it plain: 'Me and my Father will come in and sup with them." If God the Father and Jesus the Son has come to your house, they are not going to be talking about the weather, and who is going to win the next election and why, and how do you feel today!

Many do not understand this i know. most don't. Sinner do not seek GOD, The Born from above, people are commanded to seek GOD. Once you have become saved, you have to seek GOD. But Pride is still in us, it did not leave over night. Christians do not like to hear that!

1If then ye were raised together with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated on the right hand of God. 2Set your mind on the things that are above, not on the things that are upon the earth. 3For ye died, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 4When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then shall ye also with him be manifested in glory.

17Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. 18(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) 20For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: 21Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

The Old testament reveals the Light in the New Testament. And The New Testament shows the light on The Old Testament. you cannot understand Jesus and His coming without knowing the OT. It is impossible, For God has design it that way. A lot of events are describe in the OT.

I see now, Christians are not into the "VOLUME OF THE BOOK" that GOD may bless them into these events. that is why they are running to every Tom, Mick and Harry, To be honest they give me a headache, when they discuss 'The Book of Revelation" The Book of Revelation has never been a problem for me. I guess because I had read the bible from front to back maybe 6 to 8 before even heard of eschatology or the Rapture and the Great Tribulation,and Second Coming and the 1000 year reign, Joint reign of Christ, The New Jerusalem coming from the sky and that is where we rule in the 1000 year reign. and the 12 gates of the city and those outside of the city, and the encampment of those who surround and God destroys them, and the Judgments and punishments take place and how we the "body of Christ" Judge ANGELS and The world" from the BOOKS that are open, And God the Father carry out HIS justice. and He destorys the whole "Cosmos" and Heaven too! These things are told plainly just by reading THE WHOLE BOOK. THEN YOU BECOME SHOCK FINDING OUT THERE ARE LABELS FOR THESE EVENTS. That you already know.

Then HE creates something brand new, that has NEVER existed, something that could never come to your earthly or Heavenly Mind. And every moment through out eternity will blow your Heavenly mind! I did not say everyday, i said every moment throughout eternity will blow your heavenly new created mind. I did not have labels for events, i just knew what the Bible said was going to happen. Then latter i found out there were labels for events. then i found out i was pre-tribulation, concerning the Rapture. according to the events recorded in the BIBLE and the after events. Just because i say i am pre-tri does not mean, i think the whole 9 yards of events some writter has written down. NO way! So if your view of Pre-tri is determine by what you have read by some man, and you apply that to me, is wrong, so one cannot jump to conclussion of what I think. that is like I believe that "Jesus" looks like a Country and Western Star with baby blue eyes with flowing wavy hair" and that you believe it too, just because, that is the picture you have on the wall. No way, i can think you believe that.

I thank GOD i Had not been tainted, before i read the book a number of times, by others teachings. Never read any books concerning "Revelations". I started reading a book called "things to Come" over 35 years ago, cast it away from me. It did not line up with rightly divide scripture.

It is nothing for me to spend reading the bible over 12 hours in a day or more. everyday of the week. The Bible for me come alive, when i read it most of the time, I am there right there on the Road, I see it in living color! Riding chariots, on Sinai Mt., the woman at the well, Elijah, or Elisha crossing the creek, I see it i am right there. I thought every born from above christian was like that,

i am just sharing something about me, just like Paul always shared to us His events throughout his life.

I have had a Lot of suffering too, The more you suffer and the harder the suffering, the more powerful is the Revelation in scripture you receive, i know that is the truth. and the powerful of the attacks from Satan grips you, that you may know he is a real "spiritual" being! And you cannot chase HIm alway either!
Some christians have no idea who satan is, not realizing who he gets His power from! LOL, for those of us who knows, We put our arms around JESUS and whole on tight! If the ArcAngel has to deal with him, and you are nothing but a mortal, speaking I rebuked you satan. LOL, you see He has not got a hold on you before, and place those "Talons" in your Soul", when you receive one of those wounds! You stay close to the house! Most Christians do not realize he likes keeping them around, and let them think they have power over him. God word has already warn you, he is the "Perfect Deceiver" and God made everything it was "Perfect"! LOL!

You see when you really proclaim the Gospel and stay in the Word of GOD, and proclaim the unadulterated truth no matter what!, that is a BIG Red Bulls eye on YOUr CHEST. The devil will tell his demons pay attention to no one but Him! You hit him so hard and make him think twice before he tell that gospel truth again. And if he gets back up, you call me! Because when i get through with him he is going to know he has been in the fight, He is going to stay so close to JESUS, no body will get saved if it is up to him, because he is going to be at the foot of Jesus 24/7, he is not going to open his mouth!

a Lot you think I am playing. "Many are called but few are chosen"! ask "Apsotle Paul" and "Jeremiah" said: " I am not going to say nothing"! God you trick me."

Now Paul said:
(2 Cor. 11).
23Are they servants of Christ? (I am out of my mind to talk like this.) I am more. I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again. 24Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. 25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was pelted with stones, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, 26I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my fellow Jews, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false believers. 27I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked. 28Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches. 29Who is weak, and I do not feel weak? Who is led into sin, and I do not inwardly burn?

You do not volunteer for these missions like this, you are chosen!

I have not seen yet a true warrior of God take pleasure in his mission! And if that Proclaimer does not have a host of wounds on his soul and betrayals and scars, and lonely and cold nights, and cast out and to be consider a enemy against the word of God but true. cannot produce the aroma of a "Suffering Servant" that still loves their accusers and not by words but from their heart.

Shalom

All I know is I am probably going to be tortured for 10 days and then have my head cut off before its all over if I live long enough to see this all come into play. I don't presume I am good enough to be Raptured. I mean I pray I am, but worst case scenario is what I am preparing for because I will suffer any torment( imagine the worst horror movie possible) for temporary agony rather than eternal torment away from God. I cannot imagine that for one second. My God, what if he uses our children against us to make us bow? Threatens to torture them- do we do it to save them? Lord have mercy on us all.

 

[PloughBoy]

All I know is I am probably going to be tortured for 10 days and then have my head cut off before its all over if I live long enough to see this all come into play. I don't presume I am good enough to be Raptured. I mean I pray I am, but worst case scenario is what I am preparing for because I will suffer any torment( imagine the worst horror movie possible) for temporary agony rather than eternal torment away from God. I cannot imagine that for one second. My God, what if he uses our children against us to make us bow? Threatens to torture them- do we do it to save them? Lord have mercy on us all.

(2 Cor. 4)
8We are hard pressed on all sides, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair; 9persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed.

Psalm 129:2
many a time they have persecuted me from my youth, but they have not prevailed against me.
2 Corinthians 1:8
We do not want you to be unaware, brothers, of the hardships we encountered in the province of Asia. We were under a burden far beyond our ability to endure, so that we despaired even of life.
2 Corinthians 6:4
Rather, as servants of God we commend ourselves in every way: in great endurance; in troubles, hardships, and calamities;
2 Corinthians 7:5
For when we arrived in Macedonia, our bodies had no rest, but we were pressed from every direction--conflicts on the outside, fears within.

Luke 6:22
Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

American Standard Version
Wherefore I take pleasure in weaknesses, in injuries, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

No person in his right mine would want to be a "Christian", says the "The Educated Perfessional Apologtic Christian Atheist" who knows and have read his "Hebrew Old Testament and His New Testament Greek Manuscript" of the "Original Copied Text". LOL! He has proclaim who would want to follow a GOD like That and His requirments recorded in The "NT" to take up his crosss and follow Him! The educated Athesit has said these "Christians" has not read "the BiBlE"! You see a real hard core Athesit, knows the Bible, in and out! He,is a force to be reckon, in "Apologtics".

They don't understand "The Parakletos". that powers us to become 'the Sons of God". and be defeated in battles, and bearing the wounds and scars the mark of the cross. For our wounds are the marks of our vicrories.


in my younger years as a bible student, i have ask pastors why dont you tell converts the truth about following Jesus? They said if you do, no one would come to church and get saved! LOL
for real, pastors would say that across the board. behind close doors.