@PloughBoy -- you're suggesting that I'm not very mature so you'll not respond back to my comments but to B.A.C. After all , I Am 'but a woman'. Yes God created me just the way I am. 
Do Not Be Yoke Together With unbelievers, you have nothing in common, you may think you do, It is sad, but you don't.
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@PloughBoy -- you're suggesting that I'm not very mature so you'll not respond back to my comments but to B.A.C. After all , I Am 'but a woman'. Yes God created me just the way I am.
Hi Sue,
Please do not take the wrong way, it is meant in love.
God created you but not as you are now, our sinful past life moulds us, we come to God through Jesus, He takes us 'as we are' then moulds us to be the person He wants us to be.
So God didn't create you 'as you are' but he will make you better than you can ever dream.
Bless you
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@PloughBoy -- you're suggesting that I'm not very mature so you'll not respond back to my comments but to B.A.C. After all , I Am 'but a woman'. Yes God created me just the way I am.
And I'm man!@PloughBoy -- then quit acting like you're some super spiritual or super 'something' person.
And, now, on to a different thread.
And, now, on to a different thread.
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Why change the subject, let's talk about "love"
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It was not to long ago, I heard this story, and went on something like this: At this certain well known church, a couple was on the "Pastorial team". Husband and wife "Ministers". Very large well known church with a "Seminary". It seems the husband had been involved in unfaithful-ness. And now the church "Ministries" was in the works of "reconciliation" to restore husband and wife relationship who were ministers there. At one of the meetings, the wife yell out fervently "I would rather die and go to hell than forgive him"! The Pastor said: he started to shake and tremble as the words fell from her mouth. I know not the outcome of this story. Any comments in the direction of unequally yoked?
God's Word gives us guidelines concerning qualifications of pastors / elders / bishops. Being the husband of one wife is usually first. A husband/ wife pastor team is not Biblical. A pastor / Man is to be leading his people.
In response to #46 -- yes it Is possible. They Could have lots in common except that they aren't both born-again believers.
Believers are to love the Lord our God with all our heart , mind, soul and then our neighbor as ourselves. And there are at least several different Kinds of love.
If the husband/wife team were both born again , then they were not unequally yoked. But they were not 'one' in respect to church leadership.
In response to #46 -- yes it Is possible. They Could have lots in common except that they aren't both born-again believers.
Believers are to love the Lord our God with all our heart , mind, soul and then our neighbor as ourselves. And there are at least several different Kinds of love.
If the husband/wife team were both born again , then they were not unequally yoked. But they were not 'one' in respect to church leadership.
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Just because the majority of Christians believe in something does not mean it is always correct, or biblical. I do not see how this verse is referring to marriages, or even dating. It is obvious to me this verse is referring to those who were blending the worship of Christ with the worship of false pagan gods. That being said, in the US, most so-called ‘unequally yoked’ marriages, a spouse is not actively believing. In other words, lack of faith is NOT a synonym for idol worship. The Greek word used in 2 Corinthians 6:14 is heterozugeo. That is a very rare one actually. It is more of a rabbinic OT term. No matter how many keep saying this applies to marriages, it actually does not apply to marriages. Marriage is not in the context at all. It is more about doing business than marriage.
Someone may say the principle exists within that verse, and it can apply to dating or marriage, but we can only infer conclusions and opinions. Adding to the word of God is not acceptable. God warned us not to do that. It does not say “Thou shalt not marry unbelievers.” anywhere.
Some of us are suffering greatly in what people call 'unequally yoked', and I doubt any of us will recommend to be in one, or say that it is OK. However, it is very debatable to call such an act a sin.
The Bible does NOT say marrying a non-Christian is a sin. It is a very challenging and painful verse for me, as I'm in one, but the 'context' of these unequally yoked situations is far more important than judging and condemning those in them. I am covered by the blood of my savior. As long as there is commitment, God may bless unequally yoked relationships/marriages.
The Holy bible is not a ‘check-list’ book. Christ broke many religious rules. He valued people more than all these checklists and rules. God has called many believers to peace, and we can still glorify God in what people refer to as 'unequally yoked' marriage. I heard many great testimonies, and sometimes God even brings the unbeliever to him. I hear Christians say it is usually the other way around. God said, the One in you is greater than the one in the world. (1 John 4:4)
If marriage between a Christian and non-Christian is forbidden, then breaking it, is the only way to repent of this action. God said this:
12 But to the rest I, not the Lord, say: If any brother has a wife who does not believe, and she is willing to live with him, let him not divorce her. 13 And a woman who has a husband who does not believe, if he is willing to live with her, let her not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. 15 But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace. 16 For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife? (1 Corinthians 7:12-16)
Someone may say the principle exists within that verse, and it can apply to dating or marriage, but we can only infer conclusions and opinions. Adding to the word of God is not acceptable. God warned us not to do that. It does not say “Thou shalt not marry unbelievers.” anywhere.
Some of us are suffering greatly in what people call 'unequally yoked', and I doubt any of us will recommend to be in one, or say that it is OK. However, it is very debatable to call such an act a sin.
The Bible does NOT say marrying a non-Christian is a sin. It is a very challenging and painful verse for me, as I'm in one, but the 'context' of these unequally yoked situations is far more important than judging and condemning those in them. I am covered by the blood of my savior. As long as there is commitment, God may bless unequally yoked relationships/marriages.
The Holy bible is not a ‘check-list’ book. Christ broke many religious rules. He valued people more than all these checklists and rules. God has called many believers to peace, and we can still glorify God in what people refer to as 'unequally yoked' marriage. I heard many great testimonies, and sometimes God even brings the unbeliever to him. I hear Christians say it is usually the other way around. God said, the One in you is greater than the one in the world. (1 John 4:4)
If marriage between a Christian and non-Christian is forbidden, then breaking it, is the only way to repent of this action. God said this:
12 But to the rest I, not the Lord, say: If any brother has a wife who does not believe, and she is willing to live with him, let him not divorce her. 13 And a woman who has a husband who does not believe, if he is willing to live with her, let her not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. 15 But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace. 16 For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife? (1 Corinthians 7:12-16)
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Well unequally yoke together could find its way under this banner, possible, now what?
(Mark 3).
"And if a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25“And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand."
(Mark 3).
"And if a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25“And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand."
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I think the word "forbidden" is to stronger of a word for this position. But a word than would be express as a "great stress" of being and mind. Under those condictions.
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Of course, there is no way we could tell such union will be able to stand or live long. Marriage is hard enough, even if both were believers. Been there before. Christians can repel and sin against God, and find themselves in these difficult circumstances. I also desire a Christian spouse who loves Jesus more than me. I do not know, if it is my destiny to not have that, but it does not mean I can’t glorify God in my unequally yoked relationship. Also, a lot of people are married already to someone who is unbeliever and can't do anything about it. Divorce is not permissible even for those if they are not cheating, but my situation is even more difficult than this because I came back to the lord standing in middle of a tornado and having possible options devastates me every day. I do not think you understand. If you were in this situation with children, you will think twice about what you say regarding this issue.
There are many ‘unequally yoked’ marriages in the world. Some of us here on TalkJesus are married to a spouse who does not believe, or has stopped believing. Every now and then I come across testimonies that bring hope to those in these circumstances. Here I’ll share this recent one:
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In my research, I came across those who would say it is sinful, but I also found great biblical sources that says otherwise. "Be Not Unequally Yoked" by Dave Miller, Ph.D.
In brief, If I could go back in time, I would not date, or even think about marrying unbeliever, ever but we can't change what we have already done.
@KittyLinda -- we are where we are. And we continue from now on. Every day is a new day. We live as Godly a life as we know how to.
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The answer is Yes brother, in a worldly way.
That is because the world doesn't know what love is, they have one word 'love' fits all situations.
The answer is doubtful brother in God's eyes, as scripture clearly tells us.
Does the person really love the other?
Does the person have feelings for the other?
Does the person lust for the other?
He makes me laugh, she finds him funny?
There is now a child involved!
We both like similar things, have similar interests!
None of these show there is a real love for the other person.
None of these take into account the spiritual!
2 Cor 6:14 Do not be inequally yoked together with a none believer
v14 Do not be mismated with unbelievers.
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I am in total agreement here, in what you have said: "
"In brief, If I could go back in time, I would not date, or even think about marrying unbeliever, ever but we can't change what we have already done."
But in my case, due to error by those who guided me.
By the words of a "pastor" before I received the "Holy Spirit", I got seriously injuryed in a "mototrcycle accident". I decide to change my life style. Went to a church, heard the Pastor say: " Singles need to get married, and it does not matter who you get married to, God will honor and bless you. I heard more than one Pastor say this. "I didn't know, nothing, these are the men of God, they speaks the truth, I am not even 21 years of Age. I met this girl, my mother heard i was going to bed, with her, My mother called me in to question, and chew me out! And she told me in a stern tone, call my name and said: "IF she's good enough to sleep with, she is good enough to marry! Those eyes was beaming down on me, and she meant it!
So I only knew her for only 2 months and ask her to marry me! Beautiful very attrractive girl. we elope. My grandmother heard what i had did and she cried and cried and said i was to young. I had a very good job, I had money, nice car, the day we married we move into nice beautiful Townhouse. Mind you I graduated out high school at the age of "17" worked hard in and out of college.She had never work, out of highschool a year or more she 21 now and her mother glad to get her out the house, she had three other girls and a boy. I was not in love, she wasn't pregnant, i was trying to live a godly life. the plan was going back to college, get her in too! She had other plans, "LOL", stay at home, smoke cigarettes and drink a beer and wear "Daisy Dukes" jean shorts! LOL Oh yes! She help me come to Jesus! Oh she was faithful now, LOL, but we were unequally yoke, big time, except in one position: "Holy Marimony"
She told the Marriage Counselor, I was to smart for her. She has knock me up side of the head with her fist a few times! LOL! One time i was sleep, she hit me so hard beside my head, i woke up and ask her, why you hit me? She said, because i was dreaming you was kissing another woman, so i wokeup and knock you up beside the head! LOL! I was stuck, and no body knew, what i was going threw. Everybody thought she was the Angel and i was the devil! LOL! I going stop right here and say no more! You christians are a trip, sometimes!! LOL! I scared to let y'all in my house! And God knows i am telling the truth! LOL! "Nicodemus" be coming to your house at night when you are away and he don't be looking for "Jesus"! LOL and those "Gossiping women" they are dangerous! Men beware they will set your house on fire with that mouth they got
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What you say regarding the Greek word heterozygeo is correct sister, but let us not forget, in context there are 5 questions or comparisons made here 2 Cor 1:14-18 not just the one.
The expression be mismated (ginesthe heterozygountes) contains the idea of being unevenly yoked. The verb heterozygeō is found only here in the New Testament, but is used in the LXX at Lev 19:19 as part of a prohibition on yoking different types of animals together. It is used by Philo and Josephus in the same way. The concept, but not the word, is found in Deut 22:10.
Using language reminiscent of these prohibitions, Paul exhorts his readers not to enter into ‘partnerships’ with unbelievers.
But what sort of partnerships did he have in mind?
Were they marriage partnerships 1 Cor7:39, or was it the more general notion of partnership in pagan practices 1 Cor 10:14-22?
To hold onto the context of 2 Cor 1:14-18 lets look at what Paul said.
The opening exhortation of verse 14 is here backed up by five rhetorical questions which underline its importance.
1 - For what partnership have righteousness and iniquity?
2 - Or what fellowship has light with darkness?
The contrasts between righteousness and iniquity, light and darkness contained in these first two questions are found frequently in the Dead Sea Scrolls also.
3 - What accord has Christ with Belial?
The word Belial, found in the third question, is also found frequently in the Dead Sea Scrolls and elsewhere. In these writings Belial is a name given to the chief of demons, or Satan.
In the AV the expression ‘sons of Belial’ or the like is found in a number of places in the Old Testament, e.g. (Deut 13:13, Judg 19:22, 1 Sam 2:12, 1 Kings21:10, 13)
In Col 1:12-14 Paul depicts salvation as the deliverance of believers from the dominion of darkness into the kingdom of God’s Son, where they share in the inheritance of the saints in light. Thus those who have been transferred into the kingdom of Christ and light can have no fellowship with Satan and the dominion of darkness.
In 1 Cor 10:14-22 Paul speaks of participation in pagan worship as fellowship with demons, and his question, What accord has Christ with Belial?, probably reflects concern in the same area.
4 - Or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?,
In this case his fourth rhetorical question, would be best interpreted also in relation to worship, and the call for separation which this whole passage makes should then be related not to the day-to-day contacts that believers have with unbelievers (1 Cor 5:9-10), but to the matter of pagan worship.
5 - What agreement has the temple of God with idols?
This final question with its worship imagery offers extra support for the view that the earlier questions reinforce a call to have no involvement in pagan worship. When Paul speaks here of the temple of God the background imagery is that of the Jerusalem shrine, but in the foreground is the Christian community as God’s temple. This is confirmed by the affirmation which follows in verse 16.
For we are the temple of the living God.
Having emphasized the incompatibility of ‘the temple of God’ and idols, in the first part of the verse, Paul continues with this affirmation which shows why the Christian community must not become involved in pagan worship: it is because its members constitute the temple of the living God.
In 1 Corinthians Paul speaks of both the individual Christian’s body 1 Cor 6:16-20 and the Christian community as a whole 1 Cor 3:16-17 as God’s temple. It is the latter sense which he employs here. The expression the living God is also used frequently by the apostle Rom 9:26, 1 Cor 3:3, 1 Thess 1:9, 1 Tim 3:15, 1 Tim 4:10. Its background is the Old Testament contrast between the living God of Israel and the lifeless idols of pagan nations. In the present context the same contrast is implied. Elsewhere Paul states clearly that idols in themselves are nothing, the danger of idolatry being that the involvement with demonic powers active therein provokes the Lord to jealousy 1 Cor 8:4-6, 1 Cor 10:19-22
Paul's message in context is, Therefore come out from them, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch nothing unclean.
Where Paul used words taken from Isaiah 52:11,
Paul then sets about to encourage his readers to make this stand, Paul brings forward more quotations to show how God welcomes those who turn to him. First there is a brief quotation from Ezek 20:34 then I will welcome you.
Paul's aim here seems to be that he is using the 5 questions to cover as many possibilities as possible, from any Born Again from above believer with and unsaved person they could be dating, to any Born Again believer betrothed to an unsaved person, it can also include a married believer with an unsaved husband or wife, but this gets a little more complicated and would have taken Paul off topic very easily. He had a message so stuck to the 5 examples of extremes he could without watering down the message.
If Paul had included a married person who is born again with a husband or wife as the unbelieving partner, many questions would have been raised.
- were they both lost souls when they married and one was saved later, hence other scriptures to cover this separately?
- was one born again from above and the other lost, yet went a head and married despite the warnings of being unequally yoked?
- had there being a divorce and remarried a believer to a none believer, etc
It is understandable he kept to the five conditions, examples, questions, and in each showed the extremes to back up why we should not be unequally yoked to none believers.
We mustn't compare what happens in the world, once we are saved, born again from above, we no longer belong to sin, 'the world' and the devil, we were purchased at a price, we are no longer slaves to sin, we are slaves to God and righteousness.
If we mix the darkness with the light, our understanding will be full of grey areas.
Bless you sister. We pray you will make the right decision.
@PloughBoy -- no Wonder you have the attitudes you have. Some very poor pastoral guidance. And a challenging wife. Thanks for sharing that which you have shared. Explains a lot.
