I know it's been years since I've been to OK, but I don't recall any of the countryside looking like the picture on the cover!
Lord got us being still and knowing He is God being still is hard for me at times im a roamerI know it's been years since I've been to OK, but I don't recall any of the countryside looking like the picture on the cover!
Very true words in this song! Thanks for sharing.
God bless you and yours.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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talking about learning patiences Lord can be very funny at times in my life hope all is well with you and yoursFirst of all ive got to say, you cant answer questions such as this with just a yes or no answer, but i'll try to be as brief as i can.
First of all i dont believe in "Homeland", its Gods world and we're ALL human beings made in the image of God, Love your neighbour as yourself, wherever that "neighbour" may be, and Treat others as youd like to be treated are the basis of my faith, what happens after that is up to God, ....... and when you say " Do you believe it is right for others to come in a homeland and try to change the ways and customs to their own..", are you thinking of the first European settlers in the Americas who sure did change the ways and customs of the indigenous people to their own.
Ok ive mentioned my views on "homeland", but do i think its right that Christians should help those in need, well Matthew 25: 31-45 sort of suggests that we should as does the 2 Golden rules ive already mentioned above, when Christ said to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, house the homeless, welcome the stranger, give water to the thirsty, provide medical care for the sick and help for the imprisoned, there were no caveats, no conditions, if people are in need, we are called to help them, simple as that.
Youve really got to get out of this "us and them" mentality, do you believe we are ALL created in the image of God and worthy of being treated as we'd want to be treated, if you do believe that whey does it matter where people are from, and yes, i do believe people can integrate into different societies, look around the world, for nearly ALL people were "immigrants" at one time in their history.
We are ALL capable of Evil acts, Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu, Athiest or whatever, why the emphasis on "a child raised from birth in an Islamic ruled house", or do you believe that some nations, some races of people are inherently more aligned to "Terrorism" than others, to give one example from the many i could choose, in 2003, it was a "Christian" nation, the US, that launched an unprovoked attack on Iraq which subsequently left over a million dead, tens of millions displaced, the rise of ISIS and the ramifications of which are still being felt today, are we to extrapolate from that that " a child raised from birth in an Christian ruled house can very well be a terroristic threat to the Middle East?
As ive already said, i believe ,based on Christs teachings that no one should be homeless and hungry, for we are called on to "Feed the Hungry" and "House the homeless", whether they be "outsiders" as you call them or otherwise, for me, they are just people and if they are in need, we are called on to help them.
Yes i do, for how can i claim to love my neighbour as myself and treat others as i'd want to be treated when i deny others what i want for myself. You cant claim to be following Christs teachings and regard some people as not being worthy of our Love and Compassion,....... even our Enemies, and those that despise and ill treat us are to be loved, well treated , blessed and prayed for, Matthew 5:44
Are you saying that when we help someone in need then we are responsible for every action that person commits after we've helped them, ive not read those words of Christ so perhaps you could give me the reference for that, as far as i can understand Christs words, we are to help those in need, including our enemies, regardless of the consequences, for if we accept that we are ALL evil and in need of Gods Forgiveness, grace and mercy for our manifold sins, then who would we help, for we are ALL sinners. No, the teaching is clear, when the good Samaritan helped the man in need, he asked no questions, he didnt ponder the possible consequences of his actions, he saw the need and acted with Compassion, and Christ asks of his his professed followers to do likewise Luke 10: 25-37.
But are we not our Brothers keeper, is the Neighbour not depicted as the one in need, and where does Christ say that our Love and compassion must be restricted to our "own", in fact in Matthew 5:44-48 he says exactly the opposite, " 44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45;that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."
We are commanded to help ALL those in need, wherever they may be, there is no distinction between our "Own" and supposed "Outsiders", Christ depicted himself among the hungry, naked, thirsty, homeless, sick or imprisoned without distinction of race or nationality , in fact he said in Luke 13:29 " And they shall come from the east and from the west, and from the north and from the south, and shall sit down in the Kingdom of God.", you really have to get out of this Nationalistic way of thinking, of "us" and "them", we are ALL Gods Children, it is ALL Gods Creation, and we as Christs followers are called to help ALL, wherever they may be.
Hope that helps
May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdomI know it's been years since I've been to OK, but I don't recall any of the countryside looking like the picture on the cover!
Very true words in this song! Thanks for sharing.
God bless you and yours.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
\o/
Ahh so you cant let a yea be yes and a no be no ya need to humble ya self to cure that blindnessFirst of all ive got to say, you cant answer questions such as this with just a yes or no answer, but i'll try to be as brief as i can.
First of all i dont believe in "Homeland", its Gods world and we're ALL human beings made in the image of God, Love your neighbour as yourself, wherever that "neighbour" may be, and Treat others as youd like to be treated are the basis of my faith, what happens after that is up to God, ....... and when you say " Do you believe it is right for others to come in a homeland and try to change the ways and customs to their own..", are you thinking of the first European settlers in the Americas who sure did change the ways and customs of the indigenous people to their own.
Ok ive mentioned my views on "homeland", but do i think its right that Christians should help those in need, well Matthew 25: 31-45 sort of suggests that we should as does the 2 Golden rules ive already mentioned above, when Christ said to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, house the homeless, welcome the stranger, give water to the thirsty, provide medical care for the sick and help for the imprisoned, there were no caveats, no conditions, if people are in need, we are called to help them, simple as that.
Youve really got to get out of this "us and them" mentality, do you believe we are ALL created in the image of God and worthy of being treated as we'd want to be treated, if you do believe that whey does it matter where people are from, and yes, i do believe people can integrate into different societies, look around the world, for nearly ALL people were "immigrants" at one time in their history.
We are ALL capable of Evil acts, Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu, Athiest or whatever, why the emphasis on "a child raised from birth in an Islamic ruled house", or do you believe that some nations, some races of people are inherently more aligned to "Terrorism" than others, to give one example from the many i could choose, in 2003, it was a "Christian" nation, the US, that launched an unprovoked attack on Iraq which subsequently left over a million dead, tens of millions displaced, the rise of ISIS and the ramifications of which are still being felt today, are we to extrapolate from that that " a child raised from birth in an Christian ruled house can very well be a terroristic threat to the Middle East?
As ive already said, i believe ,based on Christs teachings that no one should be homeless and hungry, for we are called on to "Feed the Hungry" and "House the homeless", whether they be "outsiders" as you call them or otherwise, for me, they are just people and if they are in need, we are called on to help them.
Yes i do, for how can i claim to love my neighbour as myself and treat others as i'd want to be treated when i deny others what i want for myself. You cant claim to be following Christs teachings and regard some people as not being worthy of our Love and Compassion,....... even our Enemies, and those that despise and ill treat us are to be loved, well treated , blessed and prayed for, Matthew 5:44
Are you saying that when we help someone in need then we are responsible for every action that person commits after we've helped them, ive not read those words of Christ so perhaps you could give me the reference for that, as far as i can understand Christs words, we are to help those in need, including our enemies, regardless of the consequences, for if we accept that we are ALL evil and in need of Gods Forgiveness, grace and mercy for our manifold sins, then who would we help, for we are ALL sinners. No, the teaching is clear, when the good Samaritan helped the man in need, he asked no questions, he didnt ponder the possible consequences of his actions, he saw the need and acted with Compassion, and Christ asks of his his professed followers to do likewise Luke 10: 25-37.
But are we not our Brothers keeper, is the Neighbour not depicted as the one in need, and where does Christ say that our Love and compassion must be restricted to our "own", in fact in Matthew 5:44-48 he says exactly the opposite, " 44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45;that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."
We are commanded to help ALL those in need, wherever they may be, there is no distinction between our "Own" and supposed "Outsiders", Christ depicted himself among the hungry, naked, thirsty, homeless, sick or imprisoned without distinction of race or nationality , in fact he said in Luke 13:29 " And they shall come from the east and from the west, and from the north and from the south, and shall sit down in the Kingdom of God.", you really have to get out of this Nationalistic way of thinking, of "us" and "them", we are ALL Gods Children, it is ALL Gods Creation, and we as Christs followers are called to help ALL, wherever they may be.
Hope that helps
Oh, I've been near the AR/OK border, but it's been so many years, I couldn't tell you exactly where! lol
This comment that you made stood out to me like a sore thumb! Are you saying at the end, that it was okay that the European settlers came over to the Americas like they did? Agreeing with that are we?
May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.Oh, I've been near the AR/OK border, but it's been so many years, I couldn't tell you exactly where! lol
Though me and another young man at the time traveled a bit into the hills, to check out some land his family had bought sight unseen. Traveled up from TX, in a VW Bug. I let him do all the food ordering since he had that country accent, and I still sounded like I had just left NYC. Still, the country I saw was nothing like the picture, though it was beautiful in its own right!
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
\o/
May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.First of all ive got to say, you cant answer questions such as this with just a yes or no answer, but i'll try to be as brief as i can.
First of all i dont believe in "Homeland", its Gods world and we're ALL human beings made in the image of God, Love your neighbour as yourself, wherever that "neighbour" may be, and Treat others as youd like to be treated are the basis of my faith, what happens after that is up to God, ....... and when you say " Do you believe it is right for others to come in a homeland and try to change the ways and customs to their own..", are you thinking of the first European settlers in the Americas who sure did change the ways and customs of the indigenous people to their own.
Ok ive mentioned my views on "homeland", but do i think its right that Christians should help those in need, well Matthew 25: 31-45 sort of suggests that we should as does the 2 Golden rules ive already mentioned above, when Christ said to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, house the homeless, welcome the stranger, give water to the thirsty, provide medical care for the sick and help for the imprisoned, there were no caveats, no conditions, if people are in need, we are called to help them, simple as that.
Youve really got to get out of this "us and them" mentality, do you believe we are ALL created in the image of God and worthy of being treated as we'd want to be treated, if you do believe that whey does it matter where people are from, and yes, i do believe people can integrate into different societies, look around the world, for nearly ALL people were "immigrants" at one time in their history.
We are ALL capable of Evil acts, Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu, Athiest or whatever, why the emphasis on "a child raised from birth in an Islamic ruled house", or do you believe that some nations, some races of people are inherently more aligned to "Terrorism" than others, to give one example from the many i could choose, in 2003, it was a "Christian" nation, the US, that launched an unprovoked attack on Iraq which subsequently left over a million dead, tens of millions displaced, the rise of ISIS and the ramifications of which are still being felt today, are we to extrapolate from that that " a child raised from birth in an Christian ruled house can very well be a terroristic threat to the Middle East?
As ive already said, i believe ,based on Christs teachings that no one should be homeless and hungry, for we are called on to "Feed the Hungry" and "House the homeless", whether they be "outsiders" as you call them or otherwise, for me, they are just people and if they are in need, we are called on to help them.
Yes i do, for how can i claim to love my neighbour as myself and treat others as i'd want to be treated when i deny others what i want for myself. You cant claim to be following Christs teachings and regard some people as not being worthy of our Love and Compassion,....... even our Enemies, and those that despise and ill treat us are to be loved, well treated , blessed and prayed for, Matthew 5:44
Are you saying that when we help someone in need then we are responsible for every action that person commits after we've helped them, ive not read those words of Christ so perhaps you could give me the reference for that, as far as i can understand Christs words, we are to help those in need, including our enemies, regardless of the consequences, for if we accept that we are ALL evil and in need of Gods Forgiveness, grace and mercy for our manifold sins, then who would we help, for we are ALL sinners. No, the teaching is clear, when the good Samaritan helped the man in need, he asked no questions, he didnt ponder the possible consequences of his actions, he saw the need and acted with Compassion, and Christ asks of his his professed followers to do likewise Luke 10: 25-37.
But are we not our Brothers keeper, is the Neighbour not depicted as the one in need, and where does Christ say that our Love and compassion must be restricted to our "own", in fact in Matthew 5:44-48 he says exactly the opposite, " 44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45;that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."
We are commanded to help ALL those in need, wherever they may be, there is no distinction between our "Own" and supposed "Outsiders", Christ depicted himself among the hungry, naked, thirsty, homeless, sick or imprisoned without distinction of race or nationality , in fact he said in Luke 13:29 " And they shall come from the east and from the west, and from the north and from the south, and shall sit down in the Kingdom of God.", you really have to get out of this Nationalistic way of thinking, of "us" and "them", we are ALL Gods Children, it is ALL Gods Creation, and we as Christs followers are called to help ALL, wherever they may be.
Hope that helps
Its written let ya yes b yes n no be no anything other is from the devil himself lord says anyone who dont help they own is worst then an infedel..
Why the abrasive comments, cant we just discuss the issues in a spirit of understanding?, you believe one thing, i believe another, lets discuss our differences without rancour.
No, many here have said why they BELIEVE i'm wrong, and i have given the reasons, backed up by quotes from Christ, why i BELIEVE i'm right, if i agree that my beliefs are wrong and yours are right i'll change my views,its as simple as that. Arent we ALL here to discuss our BELIEFS with others and come to a better understanding of what it means to be a follower of Christ in an Evil and Suffering world.
So where have i cherry picked Christs words and teachings to support my "causes"?. And what aspects of Christianity have i ignored
I dont "play" with Christianity, i do my best to follow Christs teachings and put them into practice in my life, you obviously feel differently, so give me some examples of where i "play" with Christianity, and what aspects do you think ive been "taught" as being the most important aspects of Christianity. Its easy to make accusations, please substantiate your claims with examples.
I do try to follow Christ with "ALL of my heart, mind and spirit", but fail constantly being the wretched sinner that i am, my Faith is based on accepting Christ as my lord and Saviour, on Love of God and my fellow man,, on Compassion and Justice, of "Loving your Neighbour as yourself" and of "treating others as you'd want to be treated" and in the face of the hungry, the thirsty, the homeless, the naked, the sick and the imprisoned i see the suffering Christ amongst us, is this the "slop that the world has taught me", because if it is, what is the basis for your professed faith, and i would appreciate References to Christs words and teachings to support your beliefs.
It might be simple for you to do that, but at nearly 70 years old believe me i wouldnt know where to start, in all honestly i dont really know what an "AI Chat box" is, and why would an Atheist profess to be a follower of Christ on a Christian forum, surely he'd be better promoting Atheism rather than trying to spread a message of building your life on the solid rock of the truth of Christs teachings?........ and how do i know that youre not an "AI Chat box", is there any test that can be used to ascertain if any of us are Chat boxes, if there is i would readily submit to it, on some of the campaigning groups you are directed to a page to ascertain if you are a "Malicious Bot" or not, i'd readily submit to that, would you?,........ i think you need to get out of this way of thinking that anyone that disagrees with the prevailing train of thought is somehow acting in a malicious way, after all, the Saviour we profess to follow was crucified because he spoke out against the authorities and prevailing beliefs and customs.
If you read Christs words in Matthew 5:33-37 then you'll understand the context in which he said "Let your communication be Yes, Yes, No, No, for whatsoever is more than these comes of Evil", so heres the full passage Matthew 5:33- 37, "33“Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’ 34But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from evil ". Christ is talking about the swearing of Oaths, not answering questions, for if All we could say is "Yes or No", then it would be pretty hard trying to communicate Gods word with others.
How is trying to communicate my beliefs based on Christs teachings "not helpful for me".?
Amen to that.
But as Christians, followers of Christ, we obey his teachings and commandments, we are commanded to "Love our neighbour as ourselves" and "Treat others as we'd want to be treated", regardless of race, religion, sex, or whatever, there is nothing in Christs teachings to imply that when he said "Welcome the Stranger" there was any requirement for that "Stranger" to follow the customs of the country they'd entered. With the coming of Christ there are no "chosen" people, as the Jews were in the OT, Christ says his followers will come from the North, the South, the East and the West to sit down in the Kingdom of Heaven", Luke 13:23-30, they will have different customs depending on where they come from but ALL will acknowledge Christ as their Lord and Saviour and ALL will have built their lives upon the solid rock of Christs teachings and commandments.
I know what is leading you...
Its hard to put yourself in the position of the original settlers hundreds of years ago brother Nick, do i understand their desire to escape religious persecution and found a new life for themselves, yes i surely do, but do i agree with the subsequent actions of others who came later and participated in the genocide of the Indigenous American Indian Indians to steal their land and resources, no , for how could that be "Loving your Neighbour as yourself" and "treating others as you'd like to be treated", as well as breaking the commandments on Murder and theft, but that is the history of most nations. The British Empire, which i believe was the biggest Empire the world has ever seen, built its power and wealth on Theft, Murder, Genocide, Oppression, Exploitation and Slavery, and in many cases did it with the Blessing of the Church and through their teachings, supposedly God himself. We are indeed a wretched and Sinful creation, and i often wonder why God has not just washed his hands of us many years ago and started again, his love is indeed great and his Mercy and grace last forever but his Judgement is just and also everlasting, and we need to remember that in all we say and do.
I posed that question because there is an undercurrent of feeling at the moment, well its probably always been there, that the current wave of immigration is leading to an erosion of the indigenous populations culture and customs, i was just trying to make the point that this has always been so throughout human history and the extent to which cultures and customs are changed perhaps depend on 3 things, the nature of the Custom and culture, the reason behind trying to change them and the methods used to achieve that change.
Perhaps it'll be easier for me just to quote Christ, then you can argue with him, not me, Matthew 5 :33-37 relates to Oaths not communication " 33;“Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’ 34;But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35;or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36;And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37;All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one."
I'm not saying, dont help your own, but that our Love and Compassion must encompass ALL with no prejudice or Favouritism, Matthew 5: 43-48 "43“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you;that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46;If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47;And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48;Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."
why am i a "very dangerous person to be around" when all i'm doing is expressing my beliefs based and referenced on Christs teachings and commandments, unless you find that "dangerous", i really dont understand the basis of your hostility.
I have humbled myself before the Lord, i fully acknowledge the wretched sinner that i am and beg his mercy , Grace and forgiveness for my manifold sins, and i have been accused of having a "simplistic" approach to my faith, i see it more as a child like acceptance of Christs words and my being as a little child before an all knowing and all loving Father.
We have ALL been warned, Matthew 7: 21-27 " True and False Disciples 21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ The Wise and Foolish Builders 24“Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”, and if we dont follow our Lord and Saviours teachings and Commands then our Blood will be on our own hands and no one elses.
Hope alls well with you too.
