DO WE HAVE TO CONFESS OUR SINS?

[Twistie]

In order to know God you have to know and rightly apply his Word

Yes which you are way off you are still seeing with eyes of flesh..

But the hour cometh and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship Him.

Allow the Lord to Teach n lead ya

Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.

Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.

You so concerned with a word here n there you have become deaf unto the Word Himself

 

[DougE]

Allow the Lord to Teach n lead ya

He does so by his Word

 

[Christ4Ever]

Again, you avoid v7 in the division you attempt to create as a dispensationalist.

Still, Paul talks about repentance, but do you believe that a believer cannot sin, or that if they do, they don’t need to repent because the Blood of Christ covers them regardless?

Denying sin is wrong; honest acknowledgment and repentance restore practical fellowship with God and others which is what Paul speaks of as well.

Once again, division is taking place instead of uniting the Body of Christ, and what’s being promoted by you reflects exactly what is seen in Christendom around the world today.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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Repenting of sin is not having to confess it to be forgiven

What is the difference between repenting and asking forgiveness and can you have one without the other and if you do what are the consequences?

Note: You brought it up so, I truly hope you have thought of what it means to not just the believer but the make believer as well in the question I have asked you here. Keep in mind brother, it's not just about this position or that position right/wrong, but ultimately God's Saving Grace, and the change His Grace elicits in us through the Holy Spirit that all in Christ Jesus receive and reflect in this life that we now walk.

[1 John 1:7 KJV] "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."
I dont know what you want me to say about this verse
God can be just in forging sin by the shed blood of Christ
For Israel they had to confess and forgive others to be forgiven

What you attribute to a dispensation that is different, you negate the very verse of 1 John 1:7, and what it says to all, because according to you it's not for the Dispensation in which the Gentiles are included having been written in 1 John! This is why I am a Covenant believer, which I should say New Covenant, and not a dispensationalist as you are. There are many Covenants that were made with God, and people. Yet only one that is sealed by the blood of Jesus Christ His Son. Whether Jew, Greek/Gentile it matters not in Christ Jesus. We each are lifted up in Christ Jesus or fall without Him.

With the Love of Christ Jesus brother.
Moderator
Nick
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[DougE]

Instead of studying the Truth try n build a relationship with the the Lord..

Did ya know when ya open up them Living words to take in to "study" The Lord knows what you are seeing what you are reading ponder every sentence that you read and ask the Lord to allow you to see what you need to see to Hear what you need to hear approach him like a child forget what you been taught by the world allow the Lord to lead you..
Fast unto the Lord Himself

Never hear of those ya listen too but check this cat out..He has gone home to the Lord but His words are still echoing in the world

I listened to your video
As usual they make the narrow road about us and not Israel
The narrow road was for Israel to enter the kingdom on earth. They had to be righteous and keep the law and the commandments of Jesus

 

[Twistie]

He does so by his Word

I know this but you are not hearing Him n apparently you cant hear me..makes total sense tho to me..

But ok
Have a good one

 

[DougE]

What is the difference between repenting and asking forgiveness and can you have one without the other and if you do what are the consequences?

To repent of sin is to stop sinning
We have forgiveness for our sins but if we continue to sin we will have consequences such as loss of reward

 

[DougE]

This is why I am a Covenant believer,

Covenants were made for Israel only

 

[Christ4Ever]

I listen to teachers on the internet such as Grace Ambassadors on You Tube

Now I know why you believe as you believe! lol
You'd do better in listening to the Bible Bus, Dr. Vernen Mcgee in His 5 years through the Bible series. I only suggest him, because I'm a simple man, and don't go running, when I'm blessed to be able to just walk!

Better to pay attention to those who take the entirety of the Bible from Genesis - Revelation in consideration; then to pray about it, asking the Holy Spirit guidance on the truth of what you have heard, and not just the interpretation/understanding of what you have just heard. The Holy Spirit by which you receive discernment rings the hollowness (alarm bells) of what you have heard, though not always with the clarity that allows you to explain why that is the case. Still, this is then a starting point where you can study to show yourself approved by praying/asking the tougher questions that arise from questioning others. No different than what you have experienced here brother! lol

Praying for your healing brother and if it is not to be so, then that you are strengthened by God's Grace in that very weakness you are living with to His Glory and Praise! In the name of Jesus Christ! Amen, Amen, Amen! \o/

With the very love of being in Christ Jesus!
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[Bill]

Repenting of sin is not having to confess it to be forgiven

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

There is no other way to be forgiven of sin. Confession is from the soul, you can be mute and still confess your sins to God.

There are many in this world who will confess their sins and not sincerely mean it from their heart.

You must confess sincerely from your heart or there is no forgiveness, there is no confession and there is no salvation.

You can have a man scream from the mountain tops that Jesus Christ is his Lord and savior, but if he does not mean it from his heart there is no meaning in it whatsoever. And the man who does this lies to the world.

Many preachers around the world use this very thing, and it's not just preachers from Protestant churches but Catholics and everyone else included. It may be people that belong to small groups or maybe even individuals. They will all claim to follow the scripture but if they do not do it from their heart, if they do not profess themselves from their heart. Then everything is nothing more than a Gong clanging in the Wind

 

[Bill]

Covenants were made for Israel only

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

No.

The Covenants were made for all of God's children. And now we have been adopted into that family of God's children.

You're making a big error, and it is a common one too it's something that Paul tried to talk about when he was talking about what a true Jew is.

For the Israelites their lives and their religion run in the same stream. However not all of the Israelites are children of God.

What Paul talks about is what it is to be a true Jew, and even the Christians, even though they do not understand these words are also true Jews those who receive Christ into their hearts.

What Paul talks about, is the circumcision, it is not a physical thing even though it is expressed through a physical circumcision. The true circumcision that God seeks from us is the circumcision of the heart. Not the physical one.

What Paul was talking about is a true Jew is someone whose heart is circumcised. So when a Christian who has given their love to God whose heart is circumcised. Has fallen in love with God. This Christian is what a true Jew is supposed to be.

 

[Bill]

You have to decide that all scripture is for our learning but not all is directed for us to obey

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.

There is some truth to this but I don't think it is within your understanding, and I'm not saying that you're ignorant or anything like that. But there are some scripture passages that are meant for a specific people. And those who received those specific passages understand what it is and that they are the ones that it is meant for.

For instance, the passage in Revelations that talks about a message being given to the Thunders. Is meant for a specific person. And no one else gets to know it.

If it's meant for me I do not know it as it has not been revealed to me at this time. But I am aware of the Thunders and I know the names of all Seven of them although you can't put them into print, as the names are Musical.
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As far as all of the scripture. We are to read it and we are to follow it as best we can.

All of the scripture is good for everyone. And there are layers within layers of the scripture.

What do I mean by layers within layers, for someone that's a newborn Christian, or often referred to as a baby Christian. They will read the scripture and it will talk to them in a certain level. Then there are other Christians that are more mature in their Christianity and if they had kept notes when they were first a baby Christian and then looked at those notes they would laugh at that. Because they would look at them and think how immature is that thinking and now my thinking is so much more mature. And if those Christians have not received the Holy Spirit, how much greater than it is for anyone who has received the Holy Spirit. And now you are learning through the Holy Spirit and understanding the scripture through the Holy Spirit

And there is different levels even than that because when a person first receives the holy spirit it's like being a baby Christian all over again but filled with the Holy Spirit, LOL. And then there are those who feel that they are more mature in the Holy Spirit and they themselves should not look at themselves as being deep in the Lord because there's always more.

And I know that I can look back and say that maybe I'm very deep in the Holy Spirit, and I can tell you that in two or three years from now I will look back at what I am now and I will think I was nothing then even though I thought I had everything. Because my knowledge will be so much deeper in two or three years then it is at this point.

So even though we go through all the scripture as young Christians I mean you can memorize the whole thing if you want. But if you do not have the Holy Spirit at that time or you maybe you think you do maybe you got baptized with water and in your church they say oh you get baptized with the spirit if you're baptized with the water, which isn't true by the way. They're two separate baptisms. But there are many churches that teach that even in the Catholic Church they have begun teaching that same thing which is a little bit ridiculous.

I keep telling priests that I know that, that teaching is false. Cuz even John the Baptist said that I baptize you with water but there will me one after me who will baptize you with power and the Holy Spirit. And there are places in the scripture itself that talks about people who have received the Holy Spirit before receiving the baptism of water and vice versa.

Not to mention my own experiences where the Lord had me baptize a man in the Holy Spirit after he received his water baptism being dunk in a pool by the preacher.

Yes I am a Catholic. But the Lord uses me to do his will, and I have no problem at all working with preachers helping people become Christian

 

[Christ4Ever]

Covenants were made for Israel only

Simple to refute.
Did God make a Covenant with Abraham?
Answer: Yes
Was Abraham of Israel or Jewish?
Answer: No
So, how can you say that Covenants were made for Israel only?

Allow the Holy Spirit to speak in concert with your spirit to discern the truth of His Word! Be less moved by what other perceived leaders say, and test all of them not by what they tell you, but what the Word tells you through the Holy Spirit! I don't agree with Brother Bill all the time, being that he professes to being Catholic (lol), but there is truth in what he has said in his last post. There are layers upon layers to the Word of God. As you grow in it, you will see this. However, know also it is not contradictory though at times it may seem that way. That is why I have harped on Context, Greater Context, until what you are doing is holding the Word of God in its entirety (Bible) in your hand, and then it's only 101 to what the Holy Spirit and Eternity have to introduce you to! \o/

With the Love of Christ Jesus Brother Doug.
Moderator
Nick
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[Christ4Ever]

What is the difference between repenting and asking forgiveness and can you have one without the other and if you do what are the consequences?

To repent of sin is to stop sinning
We have forgiveness for our sins but if we continue to sin we will have consequences such as loss of reward

So, the following is what you believe. At least it is what I take from what you are saying.

Repent - is to stop sinning. (So would you say that it's taking a 180° turn from sin?)
Forgiveness - (Primarily) God given wiping away of our sins (?)

So, the one part you did not answer, was "can you have one without the other"?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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[Twistie]

If you do not confess out loud then there is no proof that acknowledges that you even know what u r repenting for. now where n how you must ask the Lord n allow Him to guide you to whom to talk too many wolves out here frfr...
Understand what times we are in...

(⁠ʘ⁠ᴗ⁠ʘ⁠✿⁠)

 

[DougE]

Simple to refute.
Did God make a Covenant with Abraham?
Answer: Yes
Was Abraham of Israel or Jewish?
Answer: No
So, how can you say that Covenants were made for Israel only?

Allow the Holy Spirit to speak in concert with your spirit to discern the truth of His Word! Be less moved by what other perceived leaders say, and test all of them not by what they tell you, but what the Word tells you through the Holy Spirit! I don't agree with Brother Bill all the time, being that he professes to being Catholic (lol), but there is truth in what he has said in his last post. There are layers upon layers to the Word of God. As you grow in it, you will see this. However, know also it is not contradictory though at times it may seem that way. That is why I have harped on Context, Greater Context, until what you are doing is holding the Word of God in its entirety (Bible) in your hand, and then it's only 101 to what the Holy Spirit and Eternity have to introduce you to! \o/

With the Love of Christ Jesus Brother Doug.
Moderator
Nick
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[Romans 9:4 KJV] "Who are Israelites; to whom [pertaineth] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises;"

 

[DougE]

Better to pay attention to those who take the entirety of the Bible from Genesis - Revelation in consideration;

Grace Ambassadors does that

 

[Christ4Ever]

Simple to refute.
Did God make a Covenant with Abraham?
Answer: Yes
Was Abraham of Israel or Jewish?
Answer: No
So, how can you say that Covenants were made for Israel only?

Allow the Holy Spirit to speak in concert with your spirit to discern the truth of His Word! Be less moved by what other perceived leaders say, and test all of them not by what they tell you, but what the Word tells you through the Holy Spirit! I don't agree with Brother Bill all the time, being that he professes to being Catholic (lol), but there is truth in what he has said in his last post. There are layers upon layers to the Word of God. As you grow in it, you will see this. However, know also it is not contradictory though at times it may seem that way. That is why I have harped on Context, Greater Context, until what you are doing is holding the Word of God in its entirety (Bible) in your hand, and then it's only 101 to what the Holy Spirit and Eternity have to introduce you to! \o/

With the Love of Christ Jesus Brother Doug.
Moderator
Nick
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[Romans 9:4 KJV] "Who are Israelites; to whom [pertaineth] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises;"

You would do well to continue to read through the rest of Chapter 9. Specially v23-33. It matters not the Nation Doug, but the Rock upon which you stand, and you stand upon the Covenant of Jesus Christ through His blood. Which Paul acknowledges as well and to place greater emphasis on this, he will also use "New Testament" instead of Covenant because it holds/communicates a legal standing! Keeping in mind that it can't be the New Testament that he is speaking of as we see it now, because it had yet to be put together as such at the time of his writings/usage of the word.

Otherwise, you have nothing that saves you brother! Everything from the Communion that Paul also acknowledges the Words of Christ holds to the Covenant by the Blood of Jesus! Otherwise, there is nothing binding between you and God that it is so that you will be saved!!!

Better to pay attention to those who take the entirety of the Bible from Genesis - Revelation in consideration;

Grace Ambassadors does that

I suggest you would do well, like the usage of a parallel bible which has 2-4 translations to compare each other by in the English Language, to find others to also follow besides the Grace Ambassadors as well. For if they are the same ones that had you talked on about on the concept of church being what you have espoused, I do believe you can would be better served findings others on a different spectrum to compare with. (Excluding cults of course)

If you're putting all your eggs in one basket, don't be surprised/shocked that more often than not, because of their dispensationalist beliefs you will be butting heads against, both orthodoxy and liberals in Christendom at the same time. lol Which should tell you something is up. I come up against this when talking with JW's, Mormons, Christian Scientists etc. Not that I'm saying Grace Ambassadors are like them, but many denominations have similar attributes. Short story here:

I worked with a lady who is a believer, and she used to go to a church that had a pastor who was the shepherd of the flock, who she went to when she had a biblical question. Well, what did he tell her? Oh, don't worry about that, you just follow what I tell you, and you'll be fine. YIKES!!! Warning, Warning, Warning! She ran as quick as she could out of that church...snatching her husbands hand and dragging him along with her! He didn't understand what was wrong with what he said, but she knew!

You have the Holy Spirit in you brother. Yep, the same one every preacher tells you they are guided by. Test them all, and because it seems to make sense, test it again, and even look to opposing views, to weight it, prayerfully, to know what the truth is. If its inconclusive, then set it aside until God gives you the answer to it. Trust me, God will! Though remember you're on His time schedule, and not ours which is more of a "Fast Food" type of one! lol

If you ever need to talk, you are welcome to PM me. Not just as a Moderator/Staff but as a Brother in Christ.
God bless you and yours.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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You really need to step away from them people brother! They are chopping up the word of God to accommodate a theology that is erroneous to the harmony of the Word of God.

 

[DougE]

If you ever need to talk, you are welcome to PM me. Not just as a Moderator/Staff but as a Brother in Christ.
God bless you and yours.

Thanks

 

[complete]

Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

This passage says that we have been forgiven.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

It is taught that 1 John 1:9 means we have to confess our sins to receive forgiveness.

We can not, at the same time, have forgiveness, but have to confess it in order to receive it.

1 John 1:9 is written only for national Israel, who as a nation, was to confess their iniquities:

1[Leviticus 26:40 KJV] "If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;"
[Nehemiah 1:6 KJV] "Let thine ear now be attentive, and thine eyes open, that thou mayest hear the prayer of thy servant, which I pray before thee now, day and night, for the children of Israel thy servants, and confess the sins of the children of Israel, which we have sinned against thee: both I and my father's house have sinned."
[Nehemiah 9:2 KJV] "And thethat 1 John 1:9 seed of Israel separated themselves from all strangers, and stood and confessed their sins, and the iniquities of their fathers."
[Ezra 10:11 KJV] "Now therefore make confession unto the LORD God of your fathers, and do his pleasure: and separate yourselves from the people of the land, and from the strange wives."

Hello @DougE,

Thank you for providing the evidential verses, to prove the truth of what you have said, from leviticus, Nehemiah and Ezra. Thereby rightly dividing the word of Truth (2 Tim. 2:15).

* Yes, John was one of the 'Pillars' of the church at Jerusalem, a teacher of the law, and a minister of the circumcision

* Paul said:-
'Then fourteen years after
I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.
And I went up by revelation,
and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles,
but privately to them which were of reputation,
lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
And that because of false brethren unawares brought in,
who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus,
that they might bring us into bondage:
To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour;
that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
But of these who seemed to be somewhat,
(whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person )
for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me,
as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
(For He that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision,
the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles )
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars,
perceived the grace that was given unto me,
they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship;
that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision'
(Gal 2:1-9) .

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris