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Do you believe it is possible to live a life without sin

Do you believe it is possible to live a life without sin

  • yes

    Votes: 11 33.3%
  • no

    Votes: 22 66.7%

  • Total voters
    33

rizen1

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Do you believe it is possible to live a life without having to sin in this present time.
 
Someone might be able to live without sin for a short amount of time. Perhaps a few seconds, a few minuets, hours or days. Unfortunately all it takes is a thought to commit some sins, and that is why we need Jesus much more than we realize.
 
Is the answer then no, we're unable to live a life without sin ?
 
I don't think it is possible because we can not bring this fleshly mind under total subjection


Romans 7:
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
 
I would be glad to give you my opinion, but only if you are unsure, and want some input. If on the other hand, you say this as a leading question to teach us something
that you already believe whole heartedly, I will be silent.
 
If we could live without sin, why would we need a savior? Why would we need Jesus.

ALL have sinned (Rom 3:23)
There is none righteous, Not even ONE (Rom 3:10)
If we say we have no sin, we are lying (1 John 1:8)
 
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Sin literally means "missing the mark".

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Since whatever is not of faith IS sin then faith must be "the mark".

Romans 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent

If you believe on the one whom God sent then you would believe that you are born from above and the one born from above cannot sin.The one born from above has never ever sinned not even once so if I believe I have ever sinned then I am not born from above and I am steeped in sin and will surely die.If I refuse the new creature in Christ then there remains no sacrifice for sin.
 
Do you believe that Jesus took away our sins?

The truth is the old creature is dead.
I simply chose an option for life in Christ and believe on the one God sent.

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

I decided to simply believe the one God sent,that I died in him,was raised in him and am seated in him.
This new creature was resurrected in Christ around 2000 years before me but it is I am in truth.
 
Hello rizen 1. I believe the answer is yes. Its like someone put it like this. If the same Jesus who walked this earth went without sin, why cant the same Jesus that lives in us do the same. On our own definetly No, with Christ yes. Another question is if we can go one day without sin, why cant we do the same thing any other day?
It does say He will come back for a peoples that are "without spot or wrinkle" i forgot where though. Also in Rev. 22 "when He comesbthose that are holy will be holy, those that are evil will be evil"paraphrasing. Why do we limit God?. Am I holy and without sin now NO. God willing I will. Once the Holy Spirit will help me overcome those sins that easily beset me. God bless guys.
 
When you became a Christian you gave up sin(lust, dishonoring of your parents, hatred, quarreling etc.) As well as serving "yourself"...the flesh. You replaced lust with looking away when a revealing parts show themselves, dishonoring with honor, hatred with love, quarreling with avoiding a fight and serving yourself with serving others. As Christ came not to serve himself but to serve others you are to serve others not yourself. You are not a being of flesh for flesh meets it's ending. There is only one true way to serve "yourself" and that is serving God because the soul that is you only has a interest in God not movies, games, the opposite sex in a dishonoring way (which is mostly found through looking at what they give out which isn't okay....) these things are great and "fun" but if these things harm you(which most of today's objects are meant to place fear, cause you to lust, etc.)which harms you, than fun leaves the true meaning of fun. Where God is fun follows(one of my favorite quotes God has ever said directly....as far as i know noone told me this one) Because God created fun. Fun isn't what entertains the flesh the flesh isn't you. Fun is what entertains God because than it entertains what the real you wants!

But are you willing to let go? And if so What are you willing to let go? And Which are you willing to replace?
 
There are several positions about "The Law". In this case, the law is usually talking about
the commandments given to Moses. (Exod 20:3-17)

Now of course the majority of us believe our sins are removed from us as far as the east from the west when we become a believer, but what about before we become a believer?
Some people believe the law was only for the Jews.
Some people believe the OT law is no longer in effect for anyone.
Some believe there no Law in effect at all for believers.
Some even believe there is no law in effect for unbelievers.
Some people believe society is what determines what sin is, not the Bible. If this is true then at least in my state, homosexuality, abortion, drug use, pornography and adultery aren't sins. Because they are all legal in the society I live in.

The Bible says there is no sin without the law. (Rom 4:15)
Actually it goes on to say that there was sin in the world before the law, we just weren't aware of it. (Rom 5:13; Rom 7:7)

Now under the Old Testament, everyone was under the Law, but of course the argument here is..

"the Old Testament was only about the Jews, and only for the Jews". Some churches don't even
preach from the Old Testament at all, simply because they believe "It doesn't apply anymore".
Then there is Hebrews in the New Testament, this was written to the Jews. The Gospel of Matthew was more directed to the Jews than the other three Gospels as well. So if this is true, then over 3/4ths of the Bible doesn't apply to us Gentiles. Peter was an apostle to the Jews, so I guess you say 1 and 2 Peter don't apply either.

I disagree, I believe the story of the Jews in the Old Testament reveals the nature of God.

His righteous jealously for us. His anger and wrath when we turn away from him. His mercies
and forgiveness when we come to him, and even when we come back to him as prodigal sons.
(The story of the prodigal son is in the New testament, but is it really? Isn't the nation of
Israel leaving God and coming back to God over and over again in the Old Testament really the same story?

If we say that the Law was only for the Jews, and that it doesn't apply to Gentles, well then... what do we Gentiles need to saved for?
Without the law, there is no sin, and the law doesn't apply to us, so therefore we can't sin.

If I can't sin, why do I need Jesus for?

Some say that sin simply means "missing the mark", like the center of a bulls-eye. This is true, but missing the mark of what?
Where is the mark we are trying to hit? If it's not the law of Moses, then what is it?
Some say it is simply unbelief. If this is true, then rape, murder, adultery, and homosexuality aren't sins.

If there is no law, then we Gentiles can't even sin if we want to. Not only that anything that was written to the Jews, really doesn't apply to us.
That would be virtually all of the Old Testament (there are some stories about Gentiles in the

Old Testament.. for example Ruth was a Moabite, Rahab was a Canaanite, etc...)

The Bible speaks of a couple different Laws.
The Law of Moses of course. But also the Law of Faith. (Rom 3:27; Rom 3:38; Rom 3:31; Gal 3:11; Php 3:9)
There is also the Law of the Spirit (Rom 8:2; Gal 5:18)
There is also the Law of Love. (Gal 5:15; James 2:8)

The most common scripture quoted that says we aren't under any Law is probably Romans 2:12, but notice it also says, even those who don't know Moses' Law will still be destroyed.

(NLT)
Rom 2:11 For God does not show favoritism.
Rom 2:12 When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God's written law. And the Jews, who do have God's law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it.
Rom 2:13 For merely listening to the law doesn't make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in His sight.

(GW)
Rom 2:11 God does not play favorites.
Rom 2:12 Here's the reason: Whoever sins without having laws from God will still be condemned to destruction. And whoever has laws from God and sins will still be judged by them.
Rom 2:13 People who merely listen to laws from God don't have God's approval. Rather, people who do what those laws demand will have God's approval.

(KJ)
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Does Jesus take away our sins? Yes he does if we are saved. But if we don't sin, there is nothing for hm to take away, or cast as far as the east is from the west, or remember no more.
If we have no sin, there is no need for Jesus. If we keep on sinning, we need him to keep on removing them. He may know all of our sins in advance before we are born, but we certainly don't.

Some argue, well what about those who never heard the Gospel? One argument here is, God predestined them not to hear it. (That is a whole other subject) But also the Bible says that Jesus won't return until the Gospel is "preached unto the whole world" (Matt 24:14)
I have to say, with television, the internet, cell phones, tweets, and posts, it's getting harder and harder to find people who have never at least heard of Jesus.

Virtually all of the 10 commandments are repeated in the New Testament,
(Matt 15:4; Eph 6:2; James 2:11; Rom 1:29; Matt 5:21; Mark 10:19; Rom 13:9; Matt 5:28; Rom 2:22; 1 John 5:21, etc...)

There are two deaths that have to take place for our salvation,
the first one, Jesus already took care of. The second one requires us to die to ourselves.
Matt 16:24; Mark 8:34; Mark 10:21; Luke 14:27;
In 1 Cor 15:31 (written to the Gentiles) Paul says he dies daily to himself.

There is a difference between being dead IN our sins, and being dead TO our sins.
Paul admitted he still sinned in Rom 7 (written to the Gentiles)

The books of Galations, Ephesians, Corinthians, Colossians, Philippians, Romans, and Thessalonians were all written to Gentiles, all of them talk about sin.

Matt 5:17 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
Matt 5:18 "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Luk 16:17 "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one stroke of a letter of the Law to fail.

Luk 24:44 Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."

Now in the New Testament we are sort of given "two new commandments". But they aren't really new. We are told to love our neighbors. Mark 12:31; Rom 13:8; Rom 13:10; Gal 5:14; James 2:8
It says all of the Law of Moses and the prophets are fulfilled if we do these things, however if the Law of Moses and the Prophets doesn't apply to us, then we don't need to love our neighbors, because we don't need to fulfill the Law of Moses.

We need to confess our sins, then he forgive us. ( 1 john 1:9)
We need to die to our sins daily, we need to live in Christ and we need to make conscious choice for sin not to reign over us today. Rom 6:12-14

Yes we are under grace, and there is no more condemnation...... for those who are IN CHRIST JESUS.
 
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Paul admitted he still sinned in Rom 7 (written to the Gentiles)

Actually Paul said that he no longer sins,that sin sins all by itself and has simply become an unwanted occupant of Paul's earthly tent.

Romans 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

If we say that the Law was only for the Jews, and that it doesn't apply to Gentles, well then... what do we Gentiles need to saved for?

The Gentiles are under the covenant of the rainbow or Noah's covenant.
There is no threat of any kind of torture for disobeying it but there was also no promise of life.

Some say that sin simply means "missing the mark", like the center of a bulls-eye. This is true, but missing the mark of what?
Where is the mark we are trying to hit? If it's not the law of Moses, then what is it?

Since whatever is not of faith is sin then it stands to reason that faith is the mark.
 
Actually Paul said that he no longer sins,that sin sins all by itself and has simply become an unwanted occupant of Paul's earthly tent.

Romans 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

The Gentiles are under the covenant of the rainbow or Noah's covenant.
There is no threat of any kind of torture for disobeying it but there was also no promise of life.

Since whatever is not of faith is sin then it stands to reason that faith is the mark.

I left out a law in the my previous post, the Law of Liberty (James 2:12)

I get a different view of Paul here, he isn't accountable for his sins, but he realizes that he still does sin sometimes. There is a big difference between saying "it is not I that sins" and "I have no sin at all".

Php 3:12 Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus.
Php 3:13 Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead,

Rom 7:24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

If no faith is the only sin, then we are back to adultery, murder, pornography, homosexuality, etc... aren't sin.

Rom 6:12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,

Jas 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.

Jas 1:22 But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves.

Jas 2:14 What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?

Jas 2:20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?
Jas 2:22 You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected;
Jas 2:23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God.
Jas 2:24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Jas 2:25 In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?
Jas 2:26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

Of course works and good deeds aren't what save us, but if you have no outward fruit, no evidence of change, perhaps you aren't changed.

Eph 4:1 Therefore I, the prisoner of the Lord, implore you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called,
Col 1:10 so that you will walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, to please Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God;
1 Thes 2:12 so that you would walk in a manner worthy of the God who calls you into His own kingdom and glory.

1 Thes 5:22 abstain from every form of evil.
1 Thes 5:23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Eph 4:26 BE ANGRY, AND yet DO NOT SIN; do not let the sun go down on your anger,

Paul told the Corinthians they had sin in their church, and it wasn't just a sin of unbelief.
1 Cor 5:1 It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, that someone has his father's wife.
 
I get a different view of Paul here, he isn't accountable for his sins, but he realizes that he still does sin sometimes. There is a big difference between saying "it is not I that sins" and "I have no sin at all".

You seem to have a very different concept of what "I" means.He said "I no longer sin".
The sin that dwells in his temporary environment is not "I".

If no faith is the only sin, then we are back to adultery, murder, pornography, homosexuality, etc... aren't sin.

Can you do those things by faith?
 
Hello all, some very good quotes and comments.

Is the aim of the Christian life, the target, the pinnacle,
a sinless life?

Was reading 1 John, and the goal appears to be love
for our brothers and sisters. In this perfection may
be obtained, here read the following verses.

1 John 4

15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
16 We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love,
and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
17
By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment;
because as He is, so also are we in this world.
18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment,
and
the one who fears is not perfected in love.


If you are a perfectionist then love is the benchmark.

Go ahead and crucify the flesh the daily and struggle
all you wish to achieve sinless perfection. Thank God
that we fail so miserably in this pursuit. Alas, a valuable
lesson will be discovered, God is Holy, Holy, Holy. We
are forgiven, redeemed, reconciled by His gift of
Grace and this is not from ourselves.

I prefer gentleness, patience, kindness, empathy etc.

For this we are called and this we can perfect, love from
a pure heart.
 
Now unto Him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
Jude 24

Let us continually praise the Lord for He clothes us in His righteousness.
Sinners saved by grace, perfected in Him
So although we may sin and slip into that old nature....we are redeemed, sanctified justified
Hallelujah!!!


I have just been reading a little CH Spurgeon this morning and thought it may be fitting for this thread

Faultless before the presence of His glory.
Jude 24


Revolve in your mind that wondrous word, "faultless!"
We are far off from it now; but as our Lord never stops short of perfection in His work of love, we shall reach it one day.
The Saviour who will keep His people to the end, will also present them at last to Himself, as "a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing, but holy and without blemish
All the jewels in the Saviour's crown are of the first water and without a single flaw.
All the maids of honour who attend the Lamb's wife are pure virgins without spot or stain.

But how will Jesus make us faultless?
He will wash us from our sins in His own blood until we are white and fair as God's purest angel;
And we shall be clothed in His righteousness, that righteousness which makes the saint who wears it positively faultless;
Yea, perfect in the sight of God.
We shall be unblameable and unreproveable even in His eyes.
His law will not only have no charge against us, but it will be magnified in us.

Moreover, the work of the Holy Spirit within us will be altogether complete.
He will make us so perfectly holy, that we shall have no lingering tendency to sin.
Judgment, memory, will-every power and passion shall be emancipated from the thraldom of evil.
We shall be holy even as God is holy, and in His presence we shall dwell for ever.
Saints will not be out of place in heaven, their beauty will be as great as that of the place prepared for them.
Oh the rapture of that hour when the everlasting doors shall be lifted up, and we, being made meet for the inheritance, shall dwell with the saints in light.
Sin gone,
Satan shut out, temptation past for ever, and ourselves "faultless" before God, this will be heaven indeed!
Let us be joyful now as we rehearse the song of eternal praise so soon to roll forth in full chorus from all the blood-washed host;
Let us copy David's exultings before the ark as a prelude to our ecstasies before the throne.

And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Corinthians 6:11

 
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Could the following words addressed to those whose eyes were blind apply to those answered, NO?

"...According to your faith be it unto you." Matt 9:29

Can not having faith in the wrong thing be similar to the faith of those who have doubted or even have denied the power of Jesus? Why did Jesus die, and what is the power of which He spoke...

"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you..." Acts 1:8
 
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