Eat my flesh, drink my blood

[Rhema]

John the baptizer didn't doubt AFTER he asked.

Never said he did. But he certainly did ask. (That was the point.)

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

What John was actually saving, “When are you coming to get me!” It is a coded message. Jesus understood the code!

The crap people add in is just truly amazing.

Rhema

 

[Garee]

A little far fetched for me, just not enough biblical confirmation, it is more of your own.
By the way, did you learn this from someone else?
Of course though there are types of Jesus all in the Old Testament, and spiritual talk in the new, but, I just go by what the Bible says they mean and don't make up my own.

That's a great way to rightly divide the parables .Go by what the Bible says . Without parables Christ spoke not .Searching as for silver or gold is a foundation for studying .

When is enough a enough? That would seem to vary. The ones who do not dig a little and look to the mysteries hid ... mis-out on the richness of the gospel. the signified tongue of God .Called hidden Mana in Revelation 2.

 

[Rhema]

Without parables Christ spoke not .

You know that's not true Garee. Christ said a lot that wasn't in parables.

Think about it. Is the Explanation of a parable a parable?

I really want an answer.

Thanks,
Rhema

 

[Garee]

You know that's not true Garee. Christ said a lot that wasn't in parables.

Think about it. Is the Explanation of a parable a parable?

I really want an answer.

Thanks,
Rhema

Thanks I can try.

Parables, the signified tongue of God that use the temporal things seen and compare them to the unseen. signified Called the mixing of faith in Hebrews 4:1-2 the result the gospel Yoked with Christ the teaching burden is made lighter .

Hebrew 4: 1-2 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

No mixing of faith no spiritual understanding . The literal stands alone.

The 20/20 prescription needed to rightly divide the parables it must be used or it remains a unsolved parable.

2 Corinthians 4: 18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[Rhema]

Thanks I can try.

Try harder. Yes or no.

Is the explanation of a parable a parable?

Thanks,
Rhema

 

[God's Truth]

Never said he did. But he certainly did ask. (That was the point.)

Rhema

You weren't defending your beliefs that John the baptizer doubted?

 

[God's Truth]

That's a great way to rightly divide the parables .Go by what the Bible says . Without parables Christ spoke not .Searching as for silver or gold is a foundation for studying .

When is enough a enough? That would seem to vary. The ones who do not dig a little and look to the mysteries hid ... mis-out on the richness of the gospel. the signified tongue of God .Called hidden Mana in Revelation 2.

Jesus is said to have talked plainly.
It is enough when the Bible says it.
It is going beyond what is written when you go against what the Bible says, and when you insist on your own that is not in the Bible.

 

[God's Truth]

You know that's not true Garee. Christ said a lot that wasn't in parables.

Think about it. Is the Explanation of a parable a parable?

I really want an answer.

Thanks,
Rhema

Good point!

 

[Garee]

Jesus is said to have talked plainly.
It is enough when the Bible says it.
It is going beyond what is written when you go against what the Bible says, and when you insist on your own that is not in the Bible.

Jesus said plainly that without parables the signified tongue of Christ working in Jesus the apostle and prophet spoke not .

Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parablespake he not unto them:
I
Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

When does the bible say its enough?

It would seem when a person compares the spiritual unseen things with spiritual. and not the temporal to the temporal .Jesus says it foolish not to receive the things of the Spirit

1 Corinthains 2: 13-14 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.But the natural man received not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually

Of course David knew that. It why he poured out the water called drinking the blood of mankind. A picture of Jesu and the father poruing out his spirt life in jeapordy of His own spirit .

Three choices (1) the signified spiritual understanding of the parable .(2) pretend a wafer becomes literal blood in ones mouth .or like the JW's (3) forbidding taking in literal blood in any case.

Compare the spiritual understanding of John 6 ( drink blood) to the other parable below

2 Samuel 23:16-18King James Version And the three mighty men brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto the Lord.And he said, Be it far from me, O Lord, that I should do this: is not this the blood of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mighty men.

Was it blood or water or do both used to represent the unseen Holy Spirit pouring out his blessing on mankind. ?

Remember the life of the flesh is in the blood but literal blood without the Spirit of life is dead

Did you see the water turn to blood or wine in another case .

Parables are prophecy they must be rightly divided . .What's the fear? .

 

[B-A-C]

Jesus said plainly that without parables the signified tongue of Christ working in Jesus the apostle and prophet spoke not .

Of course this changed near the end of His ministry.

John 16:29; His disciples *said, "Lo, now You are speaking plainly and are not using a figure of speech.
John 16:30; "Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; by this we believe that You came from God."

Mark 4:11; And He was saying to them, "To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God, but those who are outside get everything in parables,
Luke 8:10; And He said, "To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is in parables, so that SEEING THEY MAY NOT SEE, AND HEARING THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND.

John 14:26; "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

 

[Garee]

You weren't defending your beliefs that John the baptizer doubted?

Yes John clearly doubted . Jesus sent a reply. The gospel built of his confidence..

Note. . .(GREEN) metaphors used in parables to preach the gospel

Luke 7:22 Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.

 

[PloughBoy]

The crap people add in is just truly amazing.

Rhema

Half TRUTHS by half quoter is a favorite practice by many.

I did explain the intent , meaning it was not a “ absolute”!

The other part you left out, on purpose in order to contaminate the complete statement!

“So he sent a message out. Now this kind of message is called “paving”.”

John The BAPTIST, fully without any doubt KNEW who The CHRIST of GOD was!
It was “ imperative“

For The WORD of GOD cannot Lie!

But people will sure as The Sun rises in the east will “POISON the Pond”
On purpose! For Many love the darkness rather than LIGHT, for THE LIGHT hurts theirs eyes and causes so much dis-comfort!

So they must “LEAVEN the Lump” to ease Their Pain
By “POLLUTING the POND”!

But I Will “Proclaim” although, The darkness Comprehends it Not, The LIGHT will Shine anyhow! Because HE is THE LIGHT! That blinds everyone Who walks in The Night!

Now call that “Crap”. And it is on the bottom of your feet, squeezing between your toes!

PS. How about that Aroma! Can you smell it?

 

[GodB4Us]

Jesus said plainly that without parables the signified tongue of Christ working in Jesus the apostle and prophet spoke not .

Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parablespake he not unto them:
I
Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

When does the bible say its enough?
It would seem when a person compares the spiritual unseen things with spiritual. and not the temporal to the temporal .Jesus says it foolish not to receive the things of the Spirit

1 Corinthains 2: 13-14 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.But the natural man received not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually

Jesus did go through the trouble of explaining the parable of the Sower to His disciples. So just because a believer does not understand nor rightly divide the word of truth now, it does not mean they never will.

Of course David knew that. It why he poured out the water called drinking the blood of mankind. A picture of Jesu and the father poruing out his spirt life in jeapordy of His own spirit .

Three choices (1) the signified spiritual understanding of the parable .(2) pretend a wafer becomes literal blood in ones mouth .or like the JW's (3) forbidding taking in literal blood in any case.

Compare the spiritual understanding of John 6 ( drink blood) to the other parable below

2 Samuel 23:16-18King James Version And the three mighty men brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto the Lord.And he said, Be it far from me, O Lord, that I should do this: is not this the blood of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mighty men.

Was it blood or water or do both used to represent the unseen Holy Spirit pouring out his blessing on mankind. ?

Remember the life of the flesh is in the blood but literal blood without the Spirit of life is dead

Did you see the water turn to blood or wine in another case .

Parables are prophecy they must be rightly divided . .What's the fear? .

In the case of eating His flesh and drinking His blood in John 6th chapter, it was never about communion but about believing in His crucifixion how we are saved by believing in Him & His words.
Jesus referred also to His ascension to His disciples before the majority of them had departed in that chapter as if would they believe in Him then.

John 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

Believers that apply His words as if eating my flesh and drinking my blood as referring to communion would be turning the bread & wine into idolatry rather than what God had meant in referring to and indeed what communion is to be referring to also; His crucifixion, thus proclaiming the Lord's death till He comes in remembrance of him only... thus having eyes to see and ears to hear as when His words are used as symbolic rather than literally.

 

[Garee]

Jesus did go through the trouble of explaining the parable of the Sower to His disciples. So just because a believer does not understand nor rightly divide the word of truth now, it does not mean they never will.

Yes it does not mean that . It takes daily bread. I am a slow learner. I was not one to raise my hand .I did not respect my teachers .

Philippians 1 informs us if he began the good teaching work in us he will continue to work with us till our last day . You could say a open book test.. Today we have the privilege of electronics to go out in the world with the gospel as easily as walking next door or two farms down .

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus said plainly that without parables the signified tongue of Christ working in Jesus the apostle and prophet spoke not .

Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parablespake he not unto them:

That scripture says he did NOT speak in parables to his disciples.

Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

God cut off and hardened many of the Jews who did not already have faith in God before Jesus started his earthly ministry.
Jesus did explain the parables to his disciples.

When does the bible say its enough?

The Bible tells us what was symbolic of Jesus.
You adding things aren't correct because the Bible says not to add or subtract or go beyond what is written.

It would seem when a person compares the spiritual unseen things with spiritual. and not the temporal to the temporal .Jesus says it foolish not to receive the things of the Spirit

The things of the Spirit are from the Word Jesus Christ, and those things are written in the Bible.
We are not to go by man but by God.
When you add things the Bible doesn't say, the Bible says you nullify God's word.

1 Corinthains 2: 13-14 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.But the natural man received not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually

What is written is God breathed.
What you say, if it is not written, then it is not God breathed.

Of course David knew that. It why he poured out the water called drinking the blood of mankind. A picture of Jesu and the father poruing out his spirt life in jeapordy of His own spirit .

Three choices (1) the signified spiritual understanding of the parable .(2) pretend a wafer becomes literal blood in ones mouth .or like the JW's (3) forbidding taking in literal blood in any case.

Compare the spiritual understanding of John 6 ( drink blood) to the other parable below

2 Samuel 23:16-18King James Version And the three mighty men brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto the Lord.And he said, Be it far from me, O Lord, that I should do this: is not this the blood of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mighty men.

Was it blood or water or do both used to represent the unseen Holy Spirit pouring out his blessing on mankind. ?

Remember the life of the flesh is in the blood but literal blood without the Spirit of life is dead

Did you see the water turn to blood or wine in another case .

Parables are prophecy they must be rightly divided . .What's the fear? .

We are to fear adding or subtracting or leaning to the left or to the right or going beyond what is written.
For instance, the Galatians needed Christ formed in them all over again because they were talked into doing the old law's purification works, but you said it was because they didn't believe. They did believe and obey or they never would have been saved, but then they didn't watch their doctrine closely and they let others, some Jews talk them into doing something that caused them to fall from grace.
You keep going against that truth.
You wouldn't go against it if you weren't stuck on your own beliefs.

 

[God's Truth]

Yes John clearly doubted . Jesus sent a reply. The gospel built of his confidence..

Note. . .(GREEN) metaphors used in parables to preach the gospel

Luke 7:22 Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.

John did NOT DOUBT after hearing from Jesus.

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus did go through the trouble of explaining the parable of the Sower to His disciples. So just because a believer does not understand nor rightly divide the word of truth now, it does not mean they never will.

In the case of eating His flesh and drinking His blood in John 6th chapter, it was never about communion but about believing in His crucifixion how we are saved by believing in Him & His words.
Jesus referred also to His ascension to His disciples before the majority of them had departed in that chapter as if would they believe in Him then.

John 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

Believers that apply His words as if eating my flesh and drinking my blood as referring to communion would be turning the bread & wine into idolatry rather than what God had meant in referring to and indeed what communion is to be referring to also; His crucifixion, thus proclaiming the Lord's death till He comes in remembrance of him only... thus having eyes to see and ears to hear as when His words are used as symbolic rather than literally.

No such thing as drinking blood alone.
We have to eat too.
You keep only preaching that believing part and not the part that says to obey by doing what he says.

 

[God's Truth]

Never said he did. But he certainly did ask. (That was the point.)

Rhema

Right, but from what you wrote you defended what you said about him doubting, even after I said he didn't doubt after he was told.

 

[Garee]

John did NOT DOUBT after hearing from Jesus.

I did not say after. It why he sent messenger to overcome his doubt.